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Reply #60 posted 02/15/18 6:00am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

START HOLDING THE PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE. PRISON!

the killer is an adult.. i have to say that we can not hold parents accountable for what their adult children do.

Oh he was old enough to be parented by the government. My point he is a product of the environment and you can change the gun laws all you want. I still believe you do and people will find bigger and better ways to kill. All part of the violent culture USA is known for. Conditioning kids towards violent behavior that is legal too.

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Reply #61 posted 02/15/18 6:02am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the killer is an adult.. i have to say that we can not hold parents accountable for what their adult children do.

Oh he was old enough to be parented by the government. My point he is a product of the environment and you can change the gun laws all you want. I still believe you do and people will find bigger and better ways to kill. All part of the violent culture USA is known for. Conditioning kids towards violent behavior that is legal too.

Sometimes it is home life, but not always. Especially when people get into the years where they are (naturally) finding themselves which a lot of times require the individual to 'break' away from family to create their own life and know what they want out of life.

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Reply #62 posted 02/15/18 6:02am

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benni said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

hmmm what does this happen, when will it stop, etc etc

look at how easily we attack each other here and get nasty with each other, in this thread about a mass shooting... neutral


Not everyone is attacking. But there is, in our society, a major problem. We have become too isolated from each other. When I was a kid, you could leave your doors unlocked, you could depend upon your neighbors to watch your house while you were away, you KNEW your neighbors. Today, people don't know their neighbors names. They don't watch out for each other, check on each other. We have a mentality in this country that it's every man/woman/child for himself. We don't respect each other any more, respect life. Where/when/how did we, as a society, allow this to happen?

I agree much bigger issue and problem going on. People have zero RESPECT! And I see where mass media and pop culture sort of celebrates it.

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Reply #63 posted 02/15/18 6:07am

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"No Way To Stop This" says only developed country in the world where this happens all the time.

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Reply #64 posted 02/15/18 6:09am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

hmmm why does this happen, when will it stop, etc etc

look at how easily we attack each other here and get nasty with each other, in this thread about a mass shooting... neutral

Yeah and it doesn't help that some people are idiots who think if they write in big colored letters, that will make them right. None of us is screaming in color like a certain poster is.

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Reply #65 posted 02/15/18 6:09am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

No respect for the USA, the President or God. People will ask "where was God?" Not in public schools.



I'm pretty sure God was in the church at the First Baptist Church Sutherland Springs, TX last November 5th.

"No Way To Stop This" says only country in the developed world where this happens all the time.

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Reply #66 posted 02/15/18 6:11am

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

hmmm what does this happen, when will it stop, etc etc

look at how easily we attack each other here and get nasty with each other, in this thread about a mass shooting... neutral

Yeah and it doesn't help that some people are idiots who think if they write in big colored letters, that will make them right. None of us is screaming in color like a certain poster is.

I'm part blind. So just remember you are kicking a part blind guy.

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Reply #67 posted 02/15/18 6:12am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah and it doesn't help that some people are idiots who think if they write in big colored letters, that will make them right. None of us is screaming in color like a certain poster is.

I'm part blind. So just remember you are kicking a part blind guy.

Not blind enough to not reply.

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Reply #68 posted 02/15/18 6:14am

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maplenpg said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: His mum is dead. Died Nov 1. His adoptive mum that is. His adoptive dad died of a heart attack several years ago. He was living with a friend's family after falling out with the family friend who took care of him when his mum died. You cannot blame the people putting him up for showing kindness and offering him as roof, blame the system that allowed him to own it in the first place.

They knew he was depressed and THE LAW allowed him to have AR-15, gasmask and smoke grenades. FACTS!



Fixed it for you.

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Reply #69 posted 02/15/18 6:20am

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RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

They knew he was depressed and THE LAW allowed him to have AR-15, gasmask and smoke grenades. FACTS!



Fixed it for you.

That is because the liberals gutted mental institutions and now they are on the streets. Sounds like the kid should have been locked up.

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Reply #70 posted 02/15/18 6:26am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

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Fixed it for you.

That is because the liberals gutted mental institutions and now they are on the streets. Sounds like the kid should have been locked up.


LOL - please stop trying to blame everything on the liberals. You know, conservatives do some shoddy things too.



One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program, although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants “for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health,” an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naiveté complicated by grandiosity.

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Reply #71 posted 02/15/18 6:26am

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benni said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

hmmm why does this happen, when will it stop, etc etc

look at how easily we attack each other here and get nasty with each other, in this thread about a mass shooting... neutral


Not everyone is attacking. But there is, in our society, a major problem. We have become too isolated from each other. When I was a kid, you could leave your doors unlocked, you could depend upon your neighbors to watch your house while you were away, you KNEW your neighbors. Today, people don't know their neighbors names. They don't watch out for each other, check on each other. We have a mentality in this country that it's every man/woman/child for himself. We don't respect each other any more, respect life. Where/when/how did we, as a society, allow this to happen?

I know not everyone. I'm just saying in this day in age where we talk a lot on social media and get a lot of misunderstandings because we are lacking that 'organic' communication where we see feel smell hear the other person etc

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And the kids are being brought up in that 'isolated' world even if they have 'online' connection.

I agree, people are way to isolated for so many reasons.

I think it was always there, but the onset of technology as we know it sped up the mentallity extremely fast. Before if you had social anxiety or social fears etc you kinda still had to get out to get thing done. Which in a way forced people to deal with it. But with a world that makes it easier to not have to deal with people directly I think that is when it happened: you can date/apply(for jobs/loans etc) bank, shop, go to school etc all online now.

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I think everyone knows of that person or two who always kept to themselves/came out only at night, was a mystery. But there a lot more of it.

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When I moved to the street and bought my house, which is a dead end street. I immediately connected with the two couples across the street. One was a a couple in their early 60s the other i their 30s. And we would talk outside at each others yards etc We decided to put together a block party to get to know each other. Everyone looks forward to it each year. But there are always a few people who just won't come out. When we get heavy snow, those are actually the fun days, because everyone is coming home around the same time, so everyone comes out and helps each other shovel their driveways, so everyone is talking and meeting knew residents etc.

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People have to make the effort. Sometimes people are just waiting for someone to reach out.

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I've read that people with 'SAD' Social Anxiety Disorders has multiplied

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Reply #72 posted 02/15/18 6:35am

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I also heard some people interviewed who knew him. And they knew he was going through some stuff, some anger and they knew he had guns. Now that doesn't mean the person is a criminal and is going to go on a mass killing spree, but I think we need to teach people how to be more aware of the people in their lives so they can try to help them.

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And again, there will always be that person who you never thought would do something, because they had no signs. Sometimes we think their is some past that will give us a reason they did something, but that isn't always the truth. And I think that scares us the most.

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It is like John Carpentars 'Halloween' Michael Myers vs John Zombie's 'Halloween' Michael Myers

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Carpenters Michael was more disturbing because his background life did not fit the profile.

Zombie, made Michaels past life the white trash single family rebellious sister, mother stripping to make ends meet, drunk boyfriend, bullied at school, as the reason he became what he was. But Carpenters Michael the idea that someone can just decide to experiment with murder, is more disturbing. And it is. And it is real.

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Reply #73 posted 02/15/18 6:36am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

schools are still the safest place for kids to be PERIOD.

I agree

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Reply #74 posted 02/15/18 6:37am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

benni said:


Not everyone is attacking. But there is, in our society, a major problem. We have become too isolated from each other. When I was a kid, you could leave your doors unlocked, you could depend upon your neighbors to watch your house while you were away, you KNEW your neighbors. Today, people don't know their neighbors names. They don't watch out for each other, check on each other. We have a mentality in this country that it's every man/woman/child for himself. We don't respect each other any more, respect life. Where/when/how did we, as a society, allow this to happen?

I know not everyone. I'm just saying in this day in age where we talk a lot on social media and get a lot of misunderstandings because we are lacking that 'organic' communication where we see feel smell hear the other person etc

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And the kids are being brought up in that 'isolated' world even if they have 'online' connection.

I agree, people are way to isolated for so many reasons.

I think it was always there, but the onset of technology as we know it sped up the mentallity extremely fast. Before if you had social anxiety or social fears etc you kinda still had to get out to get thing done. Which in a way forced people to deal with it. But with a world that makes it easier to not have to deal with people directly I think that is when it happened: you can date/apply(for jobs/loans etc) bank, shop, go to school etc all online now.

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I think everyone knows of that person or two who always kept to themselves/came out only at night, was a mystery. But there a lot more of it.

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When I moved to the street and bought my house, which is a dead end street. I immediately connected with the two couples across the street. One was a a couple in their early 60s the other i their 30s. And we would talk outside at each others yards etc We decided to put together a block party to get to know each other. Everyone looks forward to it each year. But there are always a few people who just won't come out. When we get heavy snow, those are actually the fun days, because everyone is coming home around the same time, so everyone comes out and helps each other shovel their driveways, so everyone is talking and meeting knew residents etc.

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People have to make the effort. Sometimes people are just waiting for someone to reach out.

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I've read that people with 'SAD' Social Anxiety Disorders has multiplied


Excellent post.

SAD has increased and it is being seen at younger ages. And I think you are right, technology has definitely increased this phenomenon. There are kids today who cannot go a day without being plugged in to some type of technological device.

But I think that the whole idea that we are separate from each other, that what I do effects no one else but myself or those in my family, has taken root and is flourishing. People live in these little bubbles, and think, "As long as it doesn't effect my bubble, I don't care." They neglect to take into account that every thing we do, has a greater impact outside of our sphere of influence, than we realize. If I'm angry and I yell at my kids that morning before they go to school, they are going to go to school in a bad mood and take it out on their friends, their friends will then take it out on other classmates, teachers, and take it home with them. Their parents will then get angry, and may carry that with them the next day at work, and then they spread it around. But me, thinking it only effects my kids and I, will neglect to see how it ripples outward and just don't care beyond that immediate moment. (I don't yell at my kids like that, just using that as an example.)

We live in a microwave society. That impacts things too. We want (and for some people, need) instant gratification. Due to this, we've lost the fine art of patience. We're impatient with everything now, which breeds frustration, anger, depression, and anxiety. It's getting bad out there in the world and we, society, are the cause of it.

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Reply #75 posted 02/15/18 6:38am

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RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

No respect for the USA, the President or God. People will ask "where was God?" Not in public schools.



I'm pretty sure God was in the church at the First Baptist Church Sutherland Springs, TX last November 5th.

"No Way To Stop This" says only country in the developed world where this happens all the time.

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This fact is often overlooked or undermined purposely. I thought we were supposed to be this "shining city upon a hill" for all the world to marvel. We're supposed to be the envy of the world. We have some of the best colleges and universities. The best and brightest minds. The country that gave the world Bill Gates and Steve Jobs can't create a solution to help reduce the number of mass shootings?

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Oh that's right, that would actually take courage to confront those who profit from gun & ammo sales. Nevermind... Freakin cowards. "America the Brave" my ass.

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Reply #76 posted 02/15/18 6:39am

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The FBI was alerted to a comment he made on youtube in September: "I'm going to be a professional school shooter."

Seems somebody (at the FBI) dropped the ball.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/....uyJlAO4m4



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Reply #77 posted 02/15/18 6:41am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

schools are still the safest place for kids to be PERIOD.

I agree

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Some people are just anti-public schools anyway. Things like this just gives them an excuse to crap on public schools.

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Reply #78 posted 02/15/18 6:42am

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djThunderfunk said:

The FBI was alerted to a comment he made on youtube in September: "I'm going to be a professional school shooter."

Seems somebody (at the FBI) dropped the ball.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/....uyJlAO4m4



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Damn. Can't get anymore obvious than that. Talk about "Red Flags."

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Reply #79 posted 02/15/18 6:43am

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In the first 43 days of 2018 America experienced:

18 school shootings
29 mass shootings
1,796 total gun deaths
3,099 total injuries

Somebody on Twitter threw this numbers around, I'm not an American, are they true?
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Reply #80 posted 02/15/18 6:44am

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No respect for the USA, the President or God. People will ask "where was God?" Not in public schools.

That has nothing to do with it man, people (all of us) at times, have entered into our own personal hells. Some more than others. It is usually never that easy.

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What does respect for the President have to do with anything? Isn't that sorta how America (and many other countries start) not having respect for the person(s) ruling?

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Nixon said disparaging things about Italian-Americans and (the Colored Community) should they have respect for the president? There is a difference in respecting the office vs respecting the individual.

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And always remember. America is not a Theocracy. We don't need an individual standing before the school or class leading people in prayer. If you know anything about prayer from the bible you would agree. 'Jesus said go into your SECRET closet and pray...' 'Don't be like the publicans who love to pray in the marketplaces so men can see them, they have their reward'

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Reply #81 posted 02/15/18 6:46am

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Musicslave said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree

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Some people are just anti-public schools anyway. Things like this just gives them an excuse to crap on public schools.

much of the problems with public education is how students and parents can not be held accountable as much as they were years ago. So it all falls on teachers and staff so if Frank has no intrest in learning and is just causing problems the school can't do much about it so all the other kids suffer.

another big issue is over testing.

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Reply #82 posted 02/15/18 6:49am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

No respect for the USA, the President or God. People will ask "where was God?" Not in public schools.

That has nothing to do with it man, people (all of us) at times, have entered into our own personal hells. Some more than others. It is usually never that easy.

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What does respect for the President have to do with anything? Isn't that sorta how America (and many other countries start) not having respect for the person(s) ruling?

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Nixon said disparaging things about Italian-Americans and (the Colored Community) should they have respect for the president? There is a difference in respecting the office vs respecting the individual.

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And always remember. America is not a Theocracy. We don't need an individual standing before the school or class leading people in prayer. If you know anything about prayer from the bible you would agree. 'Jesus said go into your SECRET closet and pray...' 'Don't be like the publicans who love to pray in the marketplaces so men can see them, they have their reward'

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Damn, Preach OF4S! You're on fire. I have my own theory on school prayer anyway.

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^^Isolation and social media are probably something to do with the problem. Take a look too at some of the SSRI drugs. We lost some great musicians and they were normal or at least acted like they were excited about future then out of nowhere commit suicide. Usually these shooters are on them and some of the SSRIs have terrible side effects.

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Reply #84 posted 02/15/18 6:55am

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Musicslave said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That has nothing to do with it man, people (all of us) at times, have entered into our own personal hells. Some more than others. It is usually never that easy.

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What does respect for the President have to do with anything? Isn't that sorta how America (and many other countries start) not having respect for the person(s) ruling?

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Nixon said disparaging things about Italian-Americans and (the Colored Community) should they have respect for the president? There is a difference in respecting the office vs respecting the individual.

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And always remember. America is not a Theocracy. We don't need an individual standing before the school or class leading people in prayer. If you know anything about prayer from the bible you would agree. 'Jesus said go into your SECRET closet and pray...' 'Don't be like the publicans who love to pray in the marketplaces so men can see them, they have their reward'

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Damn, Preach OF4S! You're on fire. I have my own theory on school prayer anyway.

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I do agree that prayer should not be someting that is specificaly done at school. But something like a moment of sliance is something that would be fine.

also if kids want to on their own have a prayer before or after or duing non-instructional time (such as lunch time) that is to me protected by the first amendment.

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Reply #85 posted 02/15/18 6:56am

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Musicslave said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree

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Some people are just anti-public schools anyway. Things like this just gives them an excuse to crap on public schools.

right

Homeschooling can be good for a period and particular reasons

but social anxiety and reasons attached are not good reasons

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Reply #86 posted 02/15/18 6:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Musicslave said:

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Some people are just anti-public schools anyway. Things like this just gives them an excuse to crap on public schools.

much of the problems with public education is how students and parents can not be held accountable as much as they were years ago. So it all falls on teachers and staff so if Frank has no intrest in learning and is just causing problems the school can't do much about it so all the other kids suffer.

another big issue is over testing.

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Not going to delve too deep into this but I agree that improvements are needed in a lot of our public schools systems but not all. However, everyone cannot home school their kids either. That is not a viable solution for every family. It's seems more like a cover up for the real intentions of getting rid of the Dept. of Education and public schools altogether. We can't, "throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Reply #87 posted 02/15/18 6:58am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Rob a bus get in a high speed and roll it. Many ways like that especially with fire where killers can cause mass death without guns. Look at what happened on 9-11.

Those type of attacks are extremely rare compared to shootings 14 school shootings already this year. And it's just mid February


Actually, it's 18 school shootings. sad

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Reply #88 posted 02/15/18 6:59am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Musicslave said:

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Some people are just anti-public schools anyway. Things like this just gives them an excuse to crap on public schools.

right

Homeschooling can be good for a period and particular reasons

but social anxiety and reasons attached are not good reasons

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Agreed

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Musicslave said:

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Damn, Preach OF4S! You're on fire. I have my own theory on school prayer anyway.

[Edited 2/15/18 6:49am]

I do agree that prayer should not be someting that is specificaly done at school. But something like a moment of sliance is something that would be fine.

also if kids want to on their own have a prayer before or after or duing non-instructional time (such as lunch time) that is to me protected by the first amendment.

Moments of silence or remembrance are one thing, and good.

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I'm just saying, if people understood prayer and how Jesus taught it, they would not feel the need to do it at school. If people are going to be 'Christ(ian)-like' then learn what He taught about prayer.

They never read where Jesus was in public praying anywhere.

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