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Reply #240 posted 04/26/17 7:45am

Dasein

SweeTeaIII said:

However, just as one has a right to dictate their sexual preferences and/or being, so does Rachel who wants to be black...and who could blame her, hell WE DA SHIT!!! and one day, if you are lucky and be nice white people in your next incarnation you will come back as a black person! lol


Where are you getting this idea that we have a right to dictate our sexual preferences and/or being?

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Reply #241 posted 04/26/17 7:48am

2elijah

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Dasein said:



Black Americans straightening their hair as a result of living with and accepting the onerous weight
of white standards of beauty as a result of American Original Sin is not at all commensurate with
Rachel Dolezal's self-conceptualization of being "trans Black."



I agree. nod

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Reply #242 posted 04/26/17 7:51am

Dasein

Pokeno4Money said:

SweeTeaIII said:


Exactly what I've been sayin' all along! I laugh at the people here who keep saying it's so much better to be white because of "privilige" and all that shit. It's white people who keep wanting to be black, not the other way around. Ever heard a black person say they wish they was white? Nahh, me neither.



You have to be one obtuse individual if you cannot recognize your own privilege and the access to
social currency you possess because of your whiteness.

eek

And who argued that it is "so much better to be white" in this thread or others? It is certainly so much
better to not be marginalized and/or oppressed like white people aren't, but nowhere in that statement
can one abstract that I think it is "so much better to be white" as a result.

I am never going to deny who I am just because some white people are evil incarnate.

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Reply #243 posted 04/26/17 7:53am

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I don't care if she wants to call herself black. She just can't claim black experience and everything that goes with that. It's like I don't care that Bruce Jenner is now Caitlyn Jenner, but Caitlyn Jenner does not get to represent me as a woman or claim my experiences growing up as a girl. I am pretty consistent about that.

At the same time, I have no desire to tell black people how they need to (or not) accept (or not) Dolezal, and I don't claim to be Spokesperson for Women to say how women ought to categorically (or not) accept Jenner.

That said, I think the transgender issue is more nuanced and that transgender and transrace have some comparable elements, but are not identical issues.
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Reply #244 posted 04/26/17 7:58am

Dasein

Horsefeathers said:

I don't care if she wants to call herself black. She just can't claim black experience and everything that goes with that.


But that's exactly what she's doing!

Dolezal reimagining what it can possibly mean to be "Black" by her being "trans Black" is her telling
you that she can claim some identification with the Black experience and everything that goes with
it based upon her own caprice or whims, or, what could be the results of some type of personality dis-
ordering.

However you slice it, this ontological expression of hers, which is one that adores Black American culture,
is paradoxically subverting it.

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Reply #245 posted 04/26/17 8:01am

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I agree that that's what she's doing, Dasein, or at least what she's projecting. I mean I just think it's disingenuous and I don't buy it.
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Reply #246 posted 04/26/17 8:04am

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Or basically she can feel however she wants, but she can't with any authority or integrity claim anyone else's experiences and try to represent them.
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Reply #247 posted 04/26/17 8:05am

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Horsefeathers said:

Or basically she can feel however she wants, but she can't with any authority or integrity claim anyone else's experiences and try to represent them.

Agree.
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Reply #248 posted 04/26/17 8:09am

2elijah

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Dasein said:



Horsefeathers said:


I don't care if she wants to call herself black. She just can't claim black experience and everything that goes with that.


But that's exactly what she's doing!

Dolezal reimagining what it can possibly mean to be "Black" by her being "trans Black" is her telling
you that she can claim some identification with the Black experience and everything that goes with
it based upon her own caprice or whims, or, what could be the results of some type of personality dis-
ordering.

However you slice it, this ontological expression of hers, which is one that adores Black American culture,
is paradoxically subverting it.


Yep, what Rachel is doing is like saying white rappers can claim being Black because they do rap music or that Justin Timberlake can claim being Black because he sings r&b.Lol.
[Edited 4/26/17 8:11am]
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Reply #249 posted 04/26/17 8:12am

2freaky4church
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Dolezal should do mma

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #250 posted 04/26/17 8:21am

Dasein

2elijah said:

Horsefeathers said:
Or basically she can feel however she wants, but she can't with any authority or integrity claim anyone else's experiences and try to represent them.
Agree.


I agree too.

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Reply #251 posted 04/26/17 4:12pm

Pokeno4Money

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Dasein said:

You have to be one obtuse individual if you cannot recognize your own privilege and the access to
social currency you possess because of your whiteness.

eek

And who argued that it is "so much better to be white" in this thread or others? It is certainly so much
better to not be marginalized and/or oppressed like white people aren't, but nowhere in that statement
can one abstract that I think it is "so much better to be white" as a result.

I am never going to deny who I am just because some white people are evil incarnate.



Hilarious how you attack someone for agreeing with a post, but you totally ignore the author of the post with which the person agreed.

Proving once again it's not WHAT a person says that matters to you, but WHO the person is who's saying it.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #252 posted 04/26/17 4:41pm

Dasein

Pokeno4Money said:

Dasein said:



Hilarious how you attack someone for agreeing with a post, but you totally ignore the author of the post with which the person agreed.

Proving once again it's not WHAT a person says that matters to you, but WHO the person is who's saying it.


What are you talking about?

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Reply #253 posted 04/26/17 4:49pm

Dasein

Pokeno4Money said:

Dasein said:



Hilarious how you attack someone for agreeing with a post, but you totally ignore the author of the post with which the person agreed.

Proving once again it's not WHAT a person says that matters to you, but WHO the person is who's saying it.


Ohhhhhhh.

I see, Pokeno. I am very sorry for mis-reading your post. I think I was peeved at your dumb ass
post asking about my thoughts on Dolezal's ass.

hug

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Reply #254 posted 04/26/17 10:53pm

Pokeno4Money

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Dasein said:

Pokeno4Money said:



Hilarious how you attack someone for agreeing with a post, but you totally ignore the author of the post with which the person agreed.

Proving once again it's not WHAT a person says that matters to you, but WHO the person is who's saying it.


Ohhhhhhh.

I see, Pokeno. I am very sorry for mis-reading your post. I think I was peeved at your dumb ass
post asking about my thoughts on Dolezal's ass.

hug


Thanks man.

BTW - My ass post was a humorous reference to someone else's earlier ass post, but I know this is a long-ass thread so you may not have seen the earlier post.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #255 posted 04/27/17 12:08am

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I see that the trans-raciality\transgender thread is gone.
I said there that race is not real unlike gender which is a real.
Being black is an experience. One that is defined by bigotry, systemic racism that is current and also historical that affects your life.
I think this transraciality is just to troll transgender people.



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Reply #256 posted 04/27/17 11:02pm

SeventeenDayze

2elijah said:

Dasein said:


But that's exactly what she's doing!

Dolezal reimagining what it can possibly mean to be "Black" by her being "trans Black" is her telling
you that she can claim some identification with the Black experience and everything that goes with
it based upon her own caprice or whims, or, what could be the results of some type of personality dis-
ordering.

However you slice it, this ontological expression of hers, which is one that adores Black American culture,
is paradoxically subverting it.

Yep, what Rachel is doing is like saying white rappers can claim being Black because they do rap music or that Justin Timberlake can claim being Black because he sings r&b.Lol. [Edited 4/26/17 8:11am]

Wow, please don't call that crap that Timberfake sings "R&B" it's really pop music! smile

Rachel needs serious help. The fact that she sees black as being "cool and fun" and worthy of appropriation of the worst kind speaks volumes of how inauthentic she is. It's much, MUCH easier for her to play black, get a black man, have black children and be accepted by some in the black community than it would ever be for a black woman who wanted to be white and accepted in the white community and have white children. It just doesn't work both ways!

Trolls be gone!
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Reply #257 posted 04/28/17 3:53am

Pokeno4Money

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It's much, MUCH easier for her to play black, get a black man, have black children and be accepted by some in the black community than it would ever be for a black woman who wanted to be white and accepted in the white community and have white children. It just doesn't work both ways!


You mean like OJ, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, etc?

Image result for serena williams baby

Image result for tiger woods white wife

Image result for oj simpson nicole

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #258 posted 04/28/17 4:36am

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Enough money can buy a lot of acceptance.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
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Reply #259 posted 04/28/17 8:23am

2elijah

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SeventeenDayze said:



2elijah said:


Dasein said:



But that's exactly what she's doing!

Dolezal reimagining what it can possibly mean to be "Black" by her being "trans Black" is her telling
you that she can claim some identification with the Black experience and everything that goes with
it based upon her own caprice or whims, or, what could be the results of some type of personality dis-
ordering.

However you slice it, this ontological expression of hers, which is one that adores Black American culture,
is paradoxically subverting it.



Yep, what Rachel is doing is like saying white rappers can claim being Black because they do rap music or that Justin Timberlake can claim being Black because he sings r&b.Lol. [Edited 4/26/17 8:11am]

Wow, please don't call that crap that Timberfake sings "R&B" it's really pop music! smile



Rachel needs serious help. The fact that she sees black as being "cool and fun" and worthy of appropriation of the worst kind speaks volumes of how inauthentic she is. It's much, MUCH easier for her to play black, get a black man, have black children and be accepted by some in the black community than it would ever be for a black woman who wanted to be white and accepted in the white community and have white children. It just doesn't work both ways!


Lol...about JT.
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Reply #260 posted 04/28/17 3:33pm

Pokeno4Money

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Horsefeathers said:

Enough money can buy a lot of acceptance.


Money has nothing to do with it.

Kanye is uber-rich, you think many white families want him living next to them?

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #261 posted 04/28/17 3:44pm

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"Money has nothing to do with it." Nothing? Really? :lol:

Kanye could get more white people on board with his money than he could without it, absolutely. Lol that it's even questionable that money matters. The examples you gave, yourself, all featured wealthy and powerful people, not Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai.

It sounds as if you, yourself, are arguing that white people are categorically racist and therefore don't want ANY black people living near them including wealthy ones.
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Reply #262 posted 04/29/17 2:30am

Pokeno4Money

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"Money has nothing to do with it." Nothing? Really? lol Kanye could get more white people on board with his money than he could without it, absolutely. Lol that it's even questionable that money matters. The examples you gave, yourself, all featured wealthy and powerful people, not Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai. It sounds as if you, yourself, are arguing that white people are categorically racist and therefore don't want ANY black people living near them including wealthy ones.


And now how the hell am I supposed to know and prove that some regular non-famous Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai is "living a white life" and has been accepted by a white community? I gave examples of famous people because THEY are the ones whose lives are out there on the internet and in the media's eyes.

As for your last sentence, white people don't want ANY assholes regardless of color living near them ... including the wealthy ones like Kanye.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #263 posted 04/29/17 5:29am

Horsefeathers

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Pokeno4Money said:



Horsefeathers said:


"Money has nothing to do with it." Nothing? Really? lol Kanye could get more white people on board with his money than he could without it, absolutely. Lol that it's even questionable that money matters. The examples you gave, yourself, all featured wealthy and powerful people, not Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai. It sounds as if you, yourself, are arguing that white people are categorically racist and therefore don't want ANY black people living near them including wealthy ones.


And now how the hell am I supposed to know and prove that some regular non-famous Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai is "living a white life" and has been accepted by a white community? I gave examples of famous people because THEY are the ones whose lives are out there on the internet and in the media's eyes.

Exactly. The people with money and power were the easy examples. There's a reason for that. You're arguing that money definitively does not make a difference, case closed, period, end of story, and then you plead ignorance about... whether or not money makes a difference because you only know wealthy and powerful examples. This argument is just getting weirder and going off down a weird rabbit hole.



As for your last sentence, white people don't want ANY assholes regardless of color living near them ... including the wealthy ones like Kanye.


In the context of a discussion about race and acceptance, though... Especially with a qualifier about what white people categorically want or don't want. Still, enough money buys a lot more acceptance as your own examples bear out. In this paragraph, you are speaking as Spokesperson for White People and in the prior one you don't know what white people want. Dude.


Tl;dr- money matters. Not that some wealthy people don't sometimes get their card and not that some unwealthy people don't occasionally find "other" communities that accept them. But money overwhelmingly matters. It just does. I never even knew that would be controversial. TIL.
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Reply #264 posted 04/29/17 6:10am

Pokeno4Money

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Horsefeathers said:

Pokeno4Money said:


And now how the hell am I supposed to know and prove that some regular non-famous Jamal who punches a clock from down the block and drives a Hyundai is "living a white life" and has been accepted by a white community? I gave examples of famous people because THEY are the ones whose lives are out there on the internet and in the media's eyes. Exactly. The people with money and power were the easy examples. There's a reason for that. You're arguing that money definitively does not make a difference, case closed, period, end of story, and then you plead ignorance about... whether or not money makes a difference because you only know wealthy and powerful examples. This argument is just getting weirder and going off down a weird rabbit hole.

As for your last sentence, white people don't want ANY assholes regardless of color living near them ... including the wealthy ones like Kanye.

In the context of a discussion about race and acceptance, though... Especially with a qualifier about what white people categorically want or don't want. Still, enough money buys a lot more acceptance as your own examples bear out. In this paragraph, you are speaking as Spokesperson for White People and in the prior one you don't know what white people want. Dude.
Tl;dr- money matters. Not that some wealthy people don't sometimes get their card and not that some unwealthy people don't occasionally find "other" communities that accept them. But money overwhelmingly matters. It just does. I never even knew that would be controversial. TIL.


The famous people I mentioned weren't "easy examples", they were the ONLY POSSIBLE examples. That's because the Jamals of the world don't have media taking pictures of them and reporting every detail of their lives and they don't have fans talking about them on the internet and through social media. Famous people do. How you are unable to comprehend such a basic reason is beyond me, unless you're trolling.

And no, money does not matter. Only rich people can afford to live in neighborhoods with other rich people. However, if a rich person were to choose to live in a "poor" neighborhood, it's possible they wouldn't be accepted because the neighbors would probably have a preconceived negative view of all rich people.


"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #265 posted 04/29/17 8:31am

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Does it even matter that some of these folks are rich and married White people- to MANY, they are still just "fucking coons"...As the old joke says " "What do you call a black guy with a Ph.d ? Nigger !"

Why, look at this loveliness from the other day...Of course, NOW he apologizes

https://www.nytimes.com/2...d-cup.html

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Reply #266 posted 04/29/17 9:10am

purplepoppy

jjhunsecker said:

Does it even matter that some of these folks are rich and married White people- to MANY, they are still just "fucking coons"...As the old joke says " "What do you call a black guy with a Ph.d ? Nigger !"

Why, look at this loveliness from the other day...Of course, NOW he apologizes

https://www.nytimes.com/2...d-cup.html

Apologized for both comments and then walked it back. Probably has cocktails with The CEO of United and Bill O'Reilly on a regular basis. International Tennis Hall of Fame member and an appalling human being. Shining example for the children.

Brand new boogie without the hero.
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Reply #267 posted 04/29/17 9:25am

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purplepoppy said:

jjhunsecker said:

Does it even matter that some of these folks are rich and married White people- to MANY, they are still just "fucking coons"...As the old joke says " "What do you call a black guy with a Ph.d ? Nigger !"

Why, look at this loveliness from the other day...Of course, NOW he apologizes

https://www.nytimes.com/2...d-cup.html

Apologized for both comments and then walked it back. Probably has cocktails with The CEO of United and Bill O'Reilly on a regular basis. International Tennis Hall of Fame member and an appalling human being. Shining example for the children.

Who they really are, and what they really think, always comes out of their mouths first...then they try to do "damage control"

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Reply #268 posted 04/29/17 11:02am

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To be clear, I do not think money changes anyone's heart. It absolutely does go further to change acceptance or "acceptance." Absolutely. I'm still lol at "money makes no difference."

The same folks who think of the wealthy and successful black person may still think their nasty thoughts, but are still more willing to socialize and let them in their circles than Jamal from down the block. Which is kind of why those are the only examples you find of that kind of pseudo acceptance even if the ugliness remains underlying. For every knucklehead that gets stupid enough to let their guard down and say what's really on their minds, there are so many more keeping it to themselves and playing that role because... some external driving force, like some sort of social and literal currency, if you will, makes people more willing to suck it up and deal.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
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Reply #269 posted 04/29/17 12:27pm

Pokeno4Money

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purplepoppy said:

jjhunsecker said:

Does it even matter that some of these folks are rich and married White people- to MANY, they are still just "fucking coons"...As the old joke says " "What do you call a black guy with a Ph.d ? Nigger !"

Why, look at this loveliness from the other day...Of course, NOW he apologizes

https://www.nytimes.com/2...d-cup.html

Apologized for both comments and then walked it back. Probably has cocktails with The CEO of United and Bill O'Reilly on a regular basis. International Tennis Hall of Fame member and an appalling human being. Shining example for the children.


And another example of how far advanced America is with regard to race relations, as compared to other countries.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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