this dystopian regime youre okay with?

I agree we need to do something. This is not the way to go.

http://www.motherjones.co...eral-court


A federal judge in Brooklyn just issued an emergency stay against the implementation of Donald Trump's executive order banning immigration from certain predominantly Muslim countries.

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The director of the ACLU's Voting Rights Project announced the victory on twitter:

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yeah good.

And they are not even going after the "right people" , even if there was such a thing "\:

http://www.huffingtonpost...ce61b4b93?

Epic fail and a truly humiliating experience for the new guy in the Oval Office.

jjhunsecker said:

Iamtheorg said:

http://www.motherjones.co...eral-court


A federal judge in Brooklyn just issued an emergency stay against the implementation of Donald Trump's executive order banning immigration from certain predominantly Muslim countries.

Please stop spreading false information.

The judge's ruling blocks the detainment of those who have already arrived in US airports, period.

Everything else is STILL in effect, including the executive order to suspend entry of all refugees to the United States for 120 days, bar Syrian refugees indefinitely, and block entry into the United States for 90 days for citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?_r=0

Sharing from a FB:


If you know/hear of folks being detained at any airport under Trump's EO, call the ACLU hotline at 415-621-2488.

Lawyers are at standby in most major city airports to file a habeas petitions to get folks out as soon as possible.

Spread widely. Copy and paste, don't share.

luv4u said:

Sharing from a FB:


If you know/hear of folks being detained at any airport under Trump's EO, call the ACLU hotline at 415-621-2488.

Lawyers are at standby in most major city airports to file a habeas petitions to get folks out as soon as possible.

Spread widely. Copy and paste, don't share.

thanks. Done!

I can't believe anyone could think this ban is a good move, not for Trump, or for America. The wider issue is that, in labelling people arriving from these countries as potential terrorists, then you automatically label those in the US, but from these seven countries as potential terrorists. If that is not promoting xenophobia and racism then I'm baffled as to what does.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I agree we need to do something. This is not the way to go.

Thank you Only. It gets tiring when people are blindly supporting Trumps actions because......well I don't really understand why. It's good to you admit that this is wrong.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I agree we need to do something. This is not the way to go.

Good for you, it says a lot in your favour.

maplenpg said:

I can't believe anyone could think this ban is a good move, not for Trump, or for America. The wider issue is that, in labelling people arriving from these countries as potential terrorists, then you automatically label those in the US, but from these seven countries as potential terrorists. If that is not promoting xenophobia and racism then I'm baffled as to what does.

Trump was elected in large part because of his campaign promise to do exactly what he's done here with the temporary ban. So yeah, a whole bunch of people think it's a good move. It's not something that came as a surprise, everyone knew this was what he planned to do. He didn't backtrack on the issue like he did on the Hillary investigation campaign promise.

Typical Trump haters, attack him for not keeping some campaign promises and attack him for keeping others.

maplenpg said:

I can't believe anyone could think this ban is a good move, not for Trump, or for America. The wider issue is that, in labelling people arriving from these countries as potential terrorists, then you automatically label those in the US, but from these seven countries as potential terrorists. If that is not promoting xenophobia and racism then I'm baffled as to what does.

I bet ISIS are celebrating, as Mister Trump just became their best recruiting tool in years.

SomeSoldier said:

maplenpg said:

I can't believe anyone could think this ban is a good move, not for Trump, or for America. The wider issue is that, in labelling people arriving from these countries as potential terrorists, then you automatically label those in the US, but from these seven countries as potential terrorists. If that is not promoting xenophobia and racism then I'm baffled as to what does.

I bet ISIS are celebrating, as Mister Trump just became their best recruiting tool in years.

The only "tools" are the ones who think taking a soft, gentle, passive approach to terrorism is the best way to address the problem.

And it's funny as hell how America-haters used nearly the exact same phrase when Bin Laden was finally killed. I clearly remember all the criticism of THAT move, in which people like you tried to convince others that his killing would incite massive terrorist recruiting and retribution. How did THAT work out for ya?

Pokeno4Money said:

SomeSoldier said:

I bet ISIS are celebrating, as Mister Trump just became their best recruiting tool in years.

The only "tools" are the ones who think taking a soft, gentle, passive approach to terrorism is the best way to address the problem.

And it's funny as hell how America-haters used nearly the exact same phrase when Bin Laden was finally killed. I clearly remember all the criticism of THAT move, in which people like you tried to convince others that his killing would incite massive terrorist recruiting and retribution. How did THAT work out for ya?

You are right of course. There has not been any terrorist attacks at all in the years since Bin Laden was killed.

Your arguments would be laughable if it wasn't because they are the arguments made by the most powerful and probably the most dangerous man in the world right now.

[Edited 1/29/17 4:25am]

Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

I can't believe anyone could think this ban is a good move, not for Trump, or for America. The wider issue is that, in labelling people arriving from these countries as potential terrorists, then you automatically label those in the US, but from these seven countries as potential terrorists. If that is not promoting xenophobia and racism then I'm baffled as to what does.

Trump was elected in large part because of his campaign promise to do exactly what he's done here with the temporary ban. So yeah, a whole bunch of people think it's a good move. It's not something that came as a surprise, everyone knew this was what he planned to do. He didn't backtrack on the issue like he did on the Hillary investigation campaign promise.

Typical Trump haters, attack him for not keeping some campaign promises and attack him for keeping others.

It´s one thing to say that they won´t accept Muslim refugees from certain countries but an entirely different thing if they won´t let in permanent residents and even green card holders.

Trump said that there needs to be some serious vetting, something that, according to him, should have been done years ago but what most Trump fans don´t know is that exactly that, strict vetting, has always been done very thoroughly since 9/11.

Besides, this executive order equals religion with ethnicity. Most racists automatically say that being against Muslims is not racist because Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity but in this case thousands of people from a certain ethnic background are not being let in because of their ethnic background.

How are they going to tell if someone from , say, Iran or Syria is truly a devout Muslim? He or she could easily be agnostic, atheist, Christian, or Jewish, or Alewite.

Besides, pigeonholing all members of a certain religion and assuming they might be terrorists is just pliain stupid and racist.

I agree with you, however, that this should come as no surprise because this is something he said he´d do once he´s elected. It´s still a stupid thing to do.

And very unconstitutional.

SomeSoldier said:

Pokeno4Money said:

The only "tools" are the ones who think taking a soft, gentle, passive approach to terrorism is the best way to address the problem.

And it's funny as hell how America-haters used nearly the exact same phrase when Bin Laden was finally killed. I clearly remember all the criticism of THAT move, in which people like you tried to convince others that his killing would incite massive terrorist recruiting and retribution. How did THAT work out for ya?

You are right of course. There has not been any terrorist attacks at all in the years since Bin Laden was killed.

Your arguments would be laughable if it wasn't because they are the arguments made by the most powerful and probably the most dangerous man in the world right now.

[Edited 1/29/17 4:25am]

Name one terrorist attack that was done in retribution of his death.

Hell, name one that was done with connections to al qaeda.

I'll be waiting.

KoolEaze said:

How are they going to tell if someone from , say, Iran or Syria is truly a devout Muslim? He or she could easily be agnostic, atheist, Christian, or Jewish, or Alewite.

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban targets Muslims is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Pokeno4Money said:

SomeSoldier said:

You are right of course. There has not been any terrorist attacks at all in the years since Bin Laden was killed.

Your arguments would be laughable if it wasn't because they are the arguments made by the most powerful and probably the most dangerous man in the world right now.

[Edited 1/29/17 4:25am]

Name one terrorist attack that was done in retribution of his death.

Hell, name one that was done with connections to al qaeda.

I'll be waiting.

Oh so you think there is no relation between all of these issues. It's just that if you are born in a certain part of the world and follow a certain religion you are born evil?

SomeSoldier said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Name one terrorist attack that was done in retribution of his death.

Hell, name one that was done with connections to al qaeda.

I'll be waiting.

Oh so you think there is no relation between all of these issues. It's just that if you are born in a certain part of the world and follow a certain religion you are born evil?

That's a bizarre leap you just made.

Pokeno4Money said:

SomeSoldier said:

Oh so you think there is no relation between all of these issues. It's just that if you are born in a certain part of the world and follow a certain religion you are born evil?

That's a bizarre leap you just made.

Ok.

Pokeno4Money said:

KoolEaze said:

How are they going to tell if someone from , say, Iran or Syria is truly a devout Muslim? He or she could easily be agnostic, atheist, Christian, or Jewish, or Alewite.

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban targets Muslims is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

KoolEaze said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Trump was elected in large part because of his campaign promise to do exactly what he's done here with the temporary ban. So yeah, a whole bunch of people think it's a good move. It's not something that came as a surprise, everyone knew this was what he planned to do. He didn't backtrack on the issue like he did on the Hillary investigation campaign promise.

Typical Trump haters, attack him for not keeping some campaign promises and attack him for keeping others.

It´s one thing to say that they won´t accept Muslim refugees from certain countries but an entirely different thing if they won´t let in permanent residents and even green card holders.

Trump said that there needs to be some serious vetting, something that, according to him, should have been done years ago but what most Trump fans don´t know is that exactly that, strict vetting, has always been done very thoroughly since 9/11.

Besides, this executive order equals religion with ethnicity. Most racists automatically say that being against Muslims is not racist because Islam is a religion, not an ethnicity but in this case thousands of people from a certain ethnic background are not being let in because of their ethnic background.

How are they going to tell if someone from , say, Iran or Syria is truly a devout Muslim? He or she could easily be agnostic, atheist, Christian, or Jewish, or Alewite.

Besides, pigeonholing all members of a certain religion and assuming they might be terrorists is just pliain stupid and racist.

I agree with you, however, that this should come as no surprise because this is something he said he´d do once he´s elected. It´s still a stupid thing to do.

And very unconstitutional.

You are absolutely right. How can banning millions of people, some of whom have been living legally in the US for some time be a good thing? I've just been reading that Mo Farah, who is Somalian born and who has lived in the US for 4 years might now be affected by the ban. This makes the threat seem much bigger than it actually is, and is wildly racist and xenophobic move to make.

Pokeno4Money said:

KoolEaze said:

How are they going to tell if someone from , say, Iran or Syria is truly a devout Muslim? He or she could easily be agnostic, atheist, Christian, or Jewish, or Alewite.

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban targets Muslims is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban isn't a racist and xenophobic move is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Besides, who has committed the terrorist attack in Orlando - a local citizen of the USA or have I dreamed of it?

Donald, what about saudi arabia, why are not these muslim hardliners on your list? Do you have good business relationships there or have you forgotten where the 9/11 terrorists came from?

How much harm can a president inflict on his country and the world in an even shorter time? Does Donald even think of the consequences of his doings, or is he simply missing any overview of the simplest contexts in this world?

Why do you destroy your own future for no reason?

The free world is now afraid of the US - I still can not believe it but it is just like that

maplenpg said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban targets Muslims is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban isn't a racist and xenophobic move is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Well at least you're not saying it's discrimination against Muslims, so we're making progress!!!

Fact remains, those 7 particular countries weren't pulled out of Trump's ass. There's a well documented trail of terrorism leading directly to those countries. The United States of America has a right to defend itself, deciding who TEMPORARILY can and cannot enter the country is it's right in order to protect it's citizens (both legal and illegal, BTW). Doing so is a MUCH better option than bombing the shit out of those countries ... wouldn't you agree? If you have a better option, please do share.

White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media info and cell phone contacts

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-policy-social-media-contacts/index.html?adkey=bn

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Classic "Art of the Deal" maneuvering. Go long and meet in the middle

Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

Exactly!! Which is exactly why anybody who says this ban isn't a racist and xenophobic move is ignorant.

Thank you for pointing that out!!!

Well at least you're not saying it's discrimination against Muslims, so we're making progress!!!

Fact remains, those 7 particular countries weren't pulled out of Trump's ass. There's a well documented trail of terrorism leading directly to those countries. The United States of America has a right to defend itself, deciding who TEMPORARILY can and cannot enter the country is it's right in order to protect it's citizens (both legal and illegal, BTW). Doing so is a MUCH better option than bombing the shit out of those countries ... wouldn't you agree? If you have a better option, please do share.

Banning known terrorists, drug dealers and criminals from coming to USA forever. Prosecution of ISIS sympathizers they can be tracked down.