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Thread started 01/17/17 2:49pm

derrick31

Bradley Manning's Sentenced Commuted by Obama

This guy sells out our country and gets his sentenced commuted in the 11th hour of Obama's Presidency. Shameful......

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted/index.html

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Reply #1 posted 01/17/17 2:56pm

Ingela

After the brouhaha I think this is the correct call. I have even softened on Snowden and think he should be cleared as well. It's eveident both did this for the betterment of the nation and we are better for it. It was our own government who was egregious and trampled our right and freedoms. They merely tried to put and end to it and put their neck on the line.

I've done a complete 180 on this and can admit I was wrong, and feel both are great American heroes. About as heroic as it gets.
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Reply #2 posted 01/17/17 3:36pm

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Derrick, you goofball, her name is Chelsea and this is a great day. Tears of joy. Chelsea is a real hero. She's gonna be taken care of.

See, folks, activism works. No, liberals, you hated her too.

touched Let's at least be bi partison about this.

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Reply #3 posted 01/17/17 4:10pm

SomeSoldier

derrick31 said:

This guy sells out our country and gets his sentenced commuted in the 11th hour of Obama's Presidency. Shameful.....



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted/index.html



Heroine or foe, her name is Chelsea. The fact that you made a point about using her former name and referred to her as 'this guy' says a lot more about you than it says about her. And what it says is not pretty. But then again, it's to be expected...
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Reply #4 posted 01/17/17 4:11pm

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Should do life hard time
No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #5 posted 01/17/17 4:13pm

SomeSoldier

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Should do life hard time

But she's not.
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Reply #6 posted 01/17/17 4:30pm

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SomeSoldier said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:
Should do life hard time
But she's not.

I do not expect any better from barack maybe they have something eles he can be charged with

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Reply #7 posted 01/17/17 4:50pm

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SomeSoldier said:

derrick31 said:

This guy sells out our country and gets his sentenced commuted in the 11th hour of Obama's Presidency. Shameful.....



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/chelsea-manning-sentence-commuted/index.html



Heroine or foe, her name is Chelsea. The fact that you made a point about using her former name and referred to her as 'this guy' says a lot more about you than it says about her. And what it says is not pretty. But then again, it's to be expected...


Huh??? That's a guy, not a girl. He was born with dick and a pair of balls.
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Reply #8 posted 01/17/17 5:08pm

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Awesome news for Chelsea.
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #9 posted 01/17/17 5:10pm

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This is amazing news! I'm very, very happy for her, and for the truth not being punishable.

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Reply #10 posted 01/17/17 5:11pm

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Only supports thought crimes.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 01/17/17 6:41pm

TonyVanDam

2freaky4church1 said:

Derrick, you goofball, her name is Chelsea and this is a great day. Tears of joy. Chelsea is a real hero. She's gonna be taken care of.

See, folks, activism works. No, liberals, you hated her too.

touched Let's at least be bi partison about this.


nod thumbs up!

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Reply #12 posted 01/17/17 6:42pm

TonyVanDam

I still wish President Obama would also commute Edward Snowden.

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Reply #13 posted 01/17/17 10:24pm

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Factor1 said:

SomeSoldier said:
Heroine or foe, her name is Chelsea. The fact that you made a point about using her former name and referred to her as 'this guy' says a lot more about you than it says about her. And what it says is not pretty. But then again, it's to be expected...
Huh??? That's a guy, not a girl. He was born with dick and a pair of balls. [Edited 1/17/17 16:55pm]



And taking into account the fact that Chelsea Manning took responsibility for her actions and has been in prison for almost 7 years, those balls are much much bigger than either Edward Snowden's or Julian Assange's.


The reason i mentioned Julian Assange is because i find it highly amusing that some of the people who condoned his interference in our recent presidential election, are now up in arms about the commuting of Chelsea Manning's prison sentence. You big dummies(not necessarily referring to you, Factor 1) can't have it both ways. Y'all can't give a nod and a wink to Julian Assange, when he does something that benefits y'all(or of perceived benefit), then grit your teeth at Chelsea Manning, President Obama, or his decision to commute her prison sentence. Some of y'all decided to play games and condone the shit that Trump, Putin, Assange and who ever else, pulled in our recent election, so in my mind this is(in part) somewhat of a response to what y'all did or didn't do in the last Presidential election(in relation to the Clinton Wikileaks stuff)...


Why should Chelsea Manning continue to be in prison when you trump lovers weren't willing to hold Julian Assange and Wikileaks accountable for their recent behavior? confuse hmmm You all were aware of the past information that Wikileaks distributed, and still supported the release of the Clinton stuff. And that's hypocritical bullshit(if you condoned one, and lost your marbles about the other).



Anyway, so we're clear. All three of them(Snowden, Assange and Manning) broke the law(or most likely did) and need to be held accountable... And in the case of Chelsea Manning. She has (IMHO)...


I think that what President Obama did was hella brilliant !




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Reply #14 posted 01/17/17 10:30pm

SomeSoldier

Factor1 said:

SomeSoldier said:



Heroine or foe, her name is Chelsea. The fact that you made a point about using her former name and referred to her as 'this guy' says a lot more about you than it says about her. And what it says is not pretty. But then again, it's to be expected...


Huh??? That's a guy, not a girl. He was born with dick and a pair of balls.
[Edited 1/17/17 16:55pm]

Which makes her a trans woman.
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Reply #15 posted 01/18/17 12:32am

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Can someone explain to me why presidents often seem to do this sort of thing right before leaving office? Why do they wait until the last minute? Obama had more than six years to commute her sentence, and he does it with just a couple days left in office? Leads me to believe there's more to it than we know.

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Reply #16 posted 01/18/17 12:46am

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good news, I'm truly happy for this! and now Snowden please

of course some American hating scumfucks will disagree, the Patriot Act cheering idiots who WANT the goverment to spy on you, who hate their own and everyones freedom and LIKE being controlled and have crimes against humanity commited in their name while being liied to by propaganda machinery. funny enough the same scum will boast how they do NOT trust the goverment, when it comes to gun control....?? whack confused sickos

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Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well.... money can't fix stupid
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Reply #17 posted 01/18/17 12:57am

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TonyVanDam said:

I still wish President Obama would also commute Edward Snowden.


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Reply #18 posted 01/18/17 5:52am

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Commuting Chelsea Manning's sentence: Good job, Obama!!

Not pardoning Edward Snowden: Fuck you, Obama!!!


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Reply #19 posted 01/18/17 6:54am

Musicslave

JoeyC said:

Factor1 said:

SomeSoldier said: Huh??? That's a guy, not a girl. He was born with dick and a pair of balls. [Edited 1/17/17 16:55pm]



And taking into account the fact that Chelsea Manning took responsibility for her actions and has been in prison for almost 7 years, those balls are much much bigger than either Edward Snowden's or Julian Assange's.


The reason i mentioned Julian Assange is because i find it highly amusing that some of the people who condoned his interference in our recent presidential election, are now up in arms about the commuting of Chelsea Manning's prison sentence. You big dummies(not necessarily referring to you, Factor 1) can't have it both ways. Y'all can't give a nod and a wink to Julian Assange, when he does something that benefits y'all(or of perceived benefit), then grit your teeth at Chelsea Manning, President Obama, or his decision to commute her prison sentence. Some of y'all decided to play games and condone the shit that Trump, Putin, Assange and who ever else, pulled in our recent election, so in my mind this is(in part) somewhat of a response to what y'all did or didn't do in the last Presidential election(in relation to the Clinton Wikileaks stuff)...


Why should Chelsea Manning continue to be in prison when you trump lovers weren't willing to hold Julian Assange and Wikileaks accountable for their recent behavior? confuse hmmm You all were aware of the past information that Wikileaks distributed, and still supported the release of the Clinton stuff. And that's hypocritical bullshit(if you condoned one, and lost your marbles about the other).



Anyway, so we're clear. All three of them(Snowden, Assange and Manning) broke the law(or most likely did) and need to be held accountable... And in the case of Chelsea Manning. She has (IMHO)...


I think that what President Obama did was hella brilliant !




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I whole-heartedly agree with the highlighted, bolded part of your statement. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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The hypocrisy is thick and rich. However, I do not believe that's reason enough to shorten his sentence either.

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JoeyC said:



Anyway, so we're clear. All three of them(Snowden, Assange and Manning) broke the law(or most likely did) and need to be held accountable... And in the case of Chelsea Manning. She has (IMHO)...


They broke the law and risked their own freedom and pursuit of happiness to expose the CRIMES our government is committing against US.

The ones who need to be held accountable are the ones whose crimes were exposed by them.

Obama, Trump & Clinton are scumbags. Snowden, Manning & Assange are heroes.


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Reply #21 posted 01/18/17 7:12am

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djThunderfunk said:

JoeyC said:



Anyway, so we're clear. All three of them(Snowden, Assange and Manning) broke the law(or most likely did) and need to be held accountable... And in the case of Chelsea Manning. She has (IMHO)...


They broke the law and risked their own freedom and pursuit of happiness to expose the CRIMES our government is committing against US.

The ones who need to be held accountable are the ones whose crimes were exposed by them.

Obama, Trump & Clinton are scumbags. Snowden, Manning & Assange are heroes.


the issue is this... even if it were true that EVERY bit of intel stolen and illegally published was exposing crimes by out government and none of it put any innocent person at risk (and they were not all) it sends a message to others that they can steal classified intel and release it. Are we all sure we trust everyone with access to only release evidence of crimes that would not put innocent people at risk?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

djThunderfunk said:


They broke the law and risked their own freedom and pursuit of happiness to expose the CRIMES our government is committing against US.

The ones who need to be held accountable are the ones whose crimes were exposed by them.

Obama, Trump & Clinton are scumbags. Snowden, Manning & Assange are heroes.


the issue is this... even if it were true that EVERY bit of intel stolen and illegally published was exposing crimes by out government and none of it put any innocent person at risk (and they were not all) it sends a message to others that they can steal classified intel and release it. Are we all sure we trust everyone with access to only release evidence of crimes that would not put innocent people at risk?


That may be your issue. My issue is with the government of the US violating the rights of the people. In doing so they damage the very fabric of our democracy and having been sworn to protect our democracy need to be exposed and undergo harsh punishment.

Those that expose them sacrifice their own freedom and risk their very lives doing so.

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Reply #23 posted 01/18/17 7:30am

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djThunderfunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the issue is this... even if it were true that EVERY bit of intel stolen and illegally published was exposing crimes by out government and none of it put any innocent person at risk (and they were not all) it sends a message to others that they can steal classified intel and release it. Are we all sure we trust everyone with access to only release evidence of crimes that would not put innocent people at risk?


That may be your issue. My issue is with the government of the US violating the rights of the people. In doing so they damage the very fabric of our democracy and having been sworn to protect our democracy need to be exposed and undergo harsh punishment.

Those that expose them sacrifice their own freedom and risk their very lives doing so.

And if that was ALL they were exposing... I would be more sympathetic. To turn a blind eye to the people that are otherwise innocent who were harmed or put at risk is sick stuff. There is a duty of such people to make sure no info is released that does anyone else harm.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #24 posted 01/18/17 7:41am

Ingela

OnlyNDaUsa said:



djThunderfunk said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:





the issue is this... even if it were true that EVERY bit of intel stolen and illegally published was exposing crimes by out government and none of it put any innocent person at risk (and they were not all) it sends a message to others that they can steal classified intel and release it. Are we all sure we trust everyone with access to only release evidence of crimes that would not put innocent people at risk?




That may be your issue. My issue is with the government of the US violating the rights of the people. In doing so they damage the very fabric of our democracy and having been sworn to protect our democracy need to be exposed and undergo harsh punishment.

Those that expose them sacrifice their own freedom and risk their very lives doing so.





And if that was ALL they were exposing... I would be more sympathetic. To turn a blind eye to the people that are otherwise innocent who were harmed or put at risk is sick stuff. There is a duty of such people to make sure no info is released that does anyone else harm.



With both manning and Snowden it exposed innocent people dying. The sick stuff you were just decrying. Snowden went to great lengths that responsible journalists would be the ones who would pour over and expose the relevant parts. Same with Wikileaks.

It's a tough judgment call to make, but ultimately they did it for the betterment of the American people and the betterment of people in general. I think Nazi soldiers were also faced with this dilemma. You either go along with crimes or expose it at great risk. That's the unequivocal sign of a hero.
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Reply #25 posted 01/18/17 7:56am

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djThunderfunk said:

Commuting Chelsea Manning's sentence: Good job, Obama!!

Not pardoning Edward Snowden: Fuck you, Obama!!!


They said Snowden didn't ask for a Pardon or fill out any paperwork to get a pardon. I was kinda hoping Obama would do so anyways, but I guess there is a paperwork trail to follow.

Glad he commuted Manning. Let's hope Manning at least appreciates it.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

djThunderfunk said:


That may be your issue. My issue is with the government of the US violating the rights of the people. In doing so they damage the very fabric of our democracy and having been sworn to protect our democracy need to be exposed and undergo harsh punishment.

Those that expose them sacrifice their own freedom and risk their very lives doing so.

And if that was ALL they were exposing... I would be more sympathetic. To turn a blind eye to the people that are otherwise innocent who were harmed or put at risk is sick stuff. There is a duty of such people to make sure no info is released that does anyone else harm.


Sincere question: Is there confirmation of specific cases of people being harmed or just the potential?

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cool

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Reply #28 posted 01/18/17 8:42am

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djThunderfunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And if that was ALL they were exposing... I would be more sympathetic. To turn a blind eye to the people that are otherwise innocent who were harmed or put at risk is sick stuff. There is a duty of such people to make sure no info is released that does anyone else harm.


Sincere question: Is there confirmation of specific cases of people being harmed or just the potential?

not that i know of... but that is not, nor should it be the standard.

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Reply #29 posted 01/18/17 10:14am

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She leaked illegal activity, why Obama changed his mind.

Pokeno, because it is less politically controversial. Cements his legacy with liberals.

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