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Reply #30 posted 12/07/16 10:56am

MoBettaBliss

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As I said in another thread , Whites (and others) who hate Blacks is because they believe that Black people are inherently inferior. They believe that Blacks are less intelligent, more prone to criminal behavior, lazier, more dishonest, and more sexual. Blacks who hate Whites DO NOT believe that Whites are inferior (outside of a handful of lunatics who follow Louis Farrakhan's insane teachings on this subject). Instead, these Blacks believe that Whites look down on them, oppress them, discriminate against , and have harmed them, their family, and people who look like them in myriad ways; through racial discrimination on a personal level (like being harrassed or being denied a job) to the institutional level (like racially sterred housing and loan practices, or policing activites, or segregation, which was legal in MY lifetime).


So I hope no one here is stupid enough to believe (but here you never know ...)that I am advocating racism or hatred of any kind by anybody. But to try to EQUATE the two , and not see where they come from, and to understand the historical context, is short-sighted, and perhaps says more about the agenda of those who are trying to push such parity. Or to look at in another way, I'm sure there are Jews who hate Germans...given the history, is that equatable to the Holocaust ?



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Reply #31 posted 12/07/16 11:51am

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Oppression has nothing to do with this discussion. Black racists only see black issues ie al sharpton, jessie jackson and many on these threads. They refuse to see facts. Michael brown is a perfect example. Only OJ was more wrong in his actions, yet black racists still view him innocent. Look past it brotha, lets look at facts and make judgments accordingly. Ironically, it reminds me of those redneck jokes....if u think michael brown was innocent, u might be a black racist.


1. Given that Al Sharpton was a pawn for the FBI, he's not worth discussing either way.

2. Jesse Jackson is ...boule, no doubt. But he is not a racist nor is he a black supremacy.

If you want to know what a real black racist sound like, use the YouTube search engine and look up King Noble. THAT dude is a black racist because he actually believes AND promote the idea that black supremacy is the only solution to racism and white supremacy.

Also, look up the so-called Black Hebrew Israelites. To call them black supremacists would be a gross understatement. These fools believe that all white people are Edomites [the children of Edom] because they have straight hair just like their so-called ancestor Edom.

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Reply #32 posted 12/07/16 1:22pm

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Devolution is a better name. Nobody on the actual left like Sharpton.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #33 posted 12/07/16 2:55pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Devolution is a better name. Nobody on the actual left like Sharpton.


Exactly. nod And also, Al is a total Obama asskisser.

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Reply #34 posted 12/07/16 3:07pm

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He is certainly no Christian.

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Reply #35 posted 12/07/16 3:13pm

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I know Al is mainstream now, but in 1980 he was the only (wannabe) politician trynna improve my NYC minority neighborhood which was dismal then. He walked a lot of miles to get where he is.

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Reply #36 posted 12/07/16 3:19pm

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Al was always a punk.

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Reply #37 posted 12/07/16 3:34pm

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TonyVanDam said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Devolution is a better name. Nobody on the actual left like Sharpton.




Exactly. nod And also, Al is a total Obama asskisser.


Those orgers don't do their research. Lol. They still think Al and Jesse are the only Blacks that worked with the Black community, yet too ignorant to do the research and acknowledge that both Jesse and ask have worked outside their racial community, and have been called personally by non-Black citizens to assist in specific, societal ills of those communities' concern. But let those knucklehead orgers keep wallowing in their ignorance and posting misinformation. Shows how really intelligent they are. Lmao.
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Reply #38 posted 12/07/16 3:36pm

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

I've said this many times about this Orger...he only attacks Blacks and their alleged "racism", but I never heard a word from him about the discrimination and hatred expressed against even HIS OWN PEOPLE...especially in this day and age of "build the wall" and increased hostility and overt acts of bias against Latinos and many others. It tells me a LOT about him, and it would be said if he wasn't so disgusting

Exactly and you are the one he admitted that he single-handedly racially-profiled all Black males that entered the store he worked in. It's one thing to disagree in a race discussion, but he even went so far as calling me a racist, and wishing my death, on Tony's thread about the decrease in white births. He was angry because Tony posted a few articles written by various writers about it. There was nothing wrong with that thread that warranted him to go off like a madman, making false accusations against any Black orger who responded to that thread for him to call them a racist for posting their opinion, and then wishing their death. That's sick. He complains about threads on race, but doesn't waste a second jumping on every, single one of those threads attacking orgers, then making up lies about them. He seems to think though, it's ok for him to create negative threads about Blacks, with some false information, he makes about the Black community, but doesn't like it if Black orgers debunk his false information about Blacks. It is pretty clear he holds a lot of pent-up anger and hatred towards Blacks, just by his aggressive responses and lies. I guess he thinks stalking, lying about Black orgers being racist, who have a discussion on race, is his only weapon in smearing their reputation on here, to satisfy his personal hangups and hatred of the Black community. He admitted to creating this thread as 'bait', so it's pretty clear what his agenda is. It's probably best to ignore him and let him sulk in his own hate. Eventually it will eat away at his soul. [Edited 12/7/16 15:24pm]

never said that....you must have me mixed with another brown orger! lol

We disagree, but I don't wish death upon anyone who is law abiding.

Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #39 posted 12/07/16 3:36pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Al was always a punk.

Ok freaky. Sometimes the non sequitur ain't enough. Please elaborate and define punk - has a few meanings.

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Reply #40 posted 12/07/16 3:46pm

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jjhunsecker said:

As I said in another thread , Whites (and others) who hate Blacks is because they believe that Black people are inherently inferior. They believe that Blacks are less intelligent, more prone to criminal behavior, lazier, more dishonest, and more sexual. Blacks who hate Whites DO NOT believe that Whites are inferior (outside of a handful of lunatics who follow Louis Farrakhan's insane teachings on this subject). Instead, these Blacks believe that Whites look down on them, oppress them, discriminate against , and have harmed them, their family, and people who look like them in myriad ways; through racial discrimination on a personal level (like being harrassed or being denied a job) to the institutional level (like racially sterred housing and loan practices, or policing activites, or segregation, which was legal in MY lifetime).


So I hope no one here is stupid enough to believe (but here you never know ...)that I am advocating racism or hatred of any kind by anybody. But to try to EQUATE the two , and not see where they come from, and to understand the historical context, is short-sighted, and perhaps says more about the agenda of those who are trying to push such parity. Or to look at in another way, I'm sure there are Jews who hate Germans...given the history, is that equatable to the Holocaust ?

Doesn't matter how anyone ends up being a racist. If you hate the other race, you are indeed a racist. That's like saying that a criminal who shoots a man because of road rage is different than a man who shoots a man because he slept with his wife. In the end, we're at the same place. Both men are dead.

Listen to Chris Rock's version of the most racist people on earth...lol

Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #41 posted 12/07/16 3:52pm

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3rdeyedude -- come on, now. This is a poorly structured exercise in sophistry you just posted.

I believe black folk can be prejudiced, and hateful, not "racist"? No. The premise of racism is the superiority of one "race" over others. The BLM movement, and similar movements, are not built on the premise that black people are supreme, but rather, that blacks should be treated with the same dignity and respect as white citizens.

There have been numerous legitimate criticisms with BLM's execution of its strategy. But the strategy itself is substantially similar to that of traditional civil rights and civil disobedience movements.

The issues BLM raises relate directly to how law enforcement responds differently in similar situations. There are documented situations where white citizens encountered by cops survive confrontations, but black citizens in those same situations die. At heart, BLM seeks consistency in how "justice" is meted out.

What is becoming a reality is not "black racism," but that blacks and Americans of all stripes are becoming more vocal about injustice that persists. The injustice is centuries in the making, but we have to deal with it. BLM doesn't deal with it perfectly. But at least BLM is trying.

What are you and I doing?

Fundamentally, i disagree with your definition of black racism. Prejudiced and hateful blacks are black racists. Feelings of superiority are just an aspect of racism, not the end all be all. Racism is hatred of other skin color.

Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #42 posted 12/07/16 4:29pm

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think about it:

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“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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Reply #43 posted 12/07/16 4:45pm

214

Not such thing exists, white people are the only racists.

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Reply #44 posted 12/07/16 4:48pm

214

free2bfreeda said:

thknk about it:

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Indeed.

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Reply #45 posted 12/07/16 4:52pm

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namepeace said:

3rdeyedude -- come on, now. This is a poorly structured exercise in sophistry you just posted.

I believe black folk can be prejudiced, and hateful, not "racist"? No. The premise of racism is the superiority of one "race" over others. The BLM movement, and similar movements, are not built on the premise that black people are supreme, but rather, that blacks should be treated with the same dignity and respect as white citizens.

There have been numerous legitimate criticisms with BLM's execution of its strategy. But the strategy itself is substantially similar to that of traditional civil rights and civil disobedience movements.

The issues BLM raises relate directly to how law enforcement responds differently in similar situations. There are documented situations where white citizens encountered by cops survive confrontations, but black citizens in those same situations die. At heart, BLM seeks consistency in how "justice" is meted out.

What is becoming a reality is not "black racism," but that blacks and Americans of all stripes are becoming more vocal about injustice that persists. The injustice is centuries in the making, but we have to deal with it. BLM doesn't deal with it perfectly. But at least BLM is trying.

What are you and I doing?

Why waste your time with these folks? I just don't see the point.

These folks are assholes.....just because they can be be hiding behind thier computer screens.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #46 posted 12/07/16 5:18pm

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If a person of color has power they can be racist too. Farrakhan uses racist rhetoric.

214, I thought you adored Hitler.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #47 posted 12/07/16 5:51pm

214

2freaky4church1 said:

If a person of color has power they can be racist too. Farrakhan uses racist rhetoric.

214, I thought you adored Hitler.

Not a person of color can't be racist, the system hasn't been built for that. Why everybody here thinks i love that monster, i'm brown not a fuckin white.

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Reply #48 posted 12/07/16 9:46pm

TonyVanDam

free2bfreeda said:

think about it:

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Bingo! nod

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Reply #49 posted 12/07/16 11:15pm

MoBettaBliss


rightly or wrongly... i have a different take on all of this

what the term racism means TO ME is actually quite simple

but in some cases a person (or people) judging others based on their race may be understandable, given their personal history, and the history of their race (for want of a better way of putting it)

as with most things, it comes down to motivation

so while i don't subscribe to the point that black people can't be racist... i do think, given america's history, including what goes on today, their motivation needs to be considered

i've been judged for being white (on this very forum) and it sucks... pisses me off at times... beacuse i've lived my life not judging anyone based on their race, sex, age, sexual orientation, disabailty, socio economic status etc etc... every person i meet i try to approach with an open mind

but had i been a black man growing up in the usa.. i might feel very differently


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Reply #50 posted 12/07/16 11:57pm

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Revolution said:

jjhunsecker said:

As I said in another thread , Whites (and others) who hate Blacks is because they believe that Black people are inherently inferior. They believe that Blacks are less intelligent, more prone to criminal behavior, lazier, more dishonest, and more sexual. Blacks who hate Whites DO NOT believe that Whites are inferior (outside of a handful of lunatics who follow Louis Farrakhan's insane teachings on this subject). Instead, these Blacks believe that Whites look down on them, oppress them, discriminate against , and have harmed them, their family, and people who look like them in myriad ways; through racial discrimination on a personal level (like being harrassed or being denied a job) to the institutional level (like racially sterred housing and loan practices, or policing activites, or segregation, which was legal in MY lifetime).


So I hope no one here is stupid enough to believe (but here you never know ...)that I am advocating racism or hatred of any kind by anybody. But to try to EQUATE the two , and not see where they come from, and to understand the historical context, is short-sighted, and perhaps says more about the agenda of those who are trying to push such parity. Or to look at in another way, I'm sure there are Jews who hate Germans...given the history, is that equatable to the Holocaust ?

Doesn't matter how anyone ends up being a racist. If you hate the other race, you are indeed a racist. That's like saying that a criminal who shoots a man because of road rage is different than a man who shoots a man because he slept with his wife. In the end, we're at the same place. Both men are dead.

Listen to Chris Rock's version of the most racist people on earth...lol

I never said anybody who hates another person based on the color of their skin is NOT a racist. I simply pointed out Chico the different motivations of this hatred, and why and hoew it manisfests itself. You can't tell me that there aren't many of your own compadres who don't despise the gringos based on the way they have been treated by them. So don't try to make this some sort of unique Black "pathology", as you always try to do...

And I posted that Chris Rock clip in another thread...I think you totally MISSED his point (not surprised, either....)

[Edited 12/8/16 0:05am]

[Edited 12/8/16 7:44am]

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Reply #51 posted 12/08/16 12:03am

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2freaky4church1 said:

If a person of color has power they can be racist too. Farrakhan uses racist rhetoric.

214, I thought you adored Hitler.

Farrakhan certainly is a racist, by any definition of the term. Unlike most Blacks, he truly believes that Whites are inferior. However, short of just beating random people up, what can Farrakhan or his followers actually DO to Whites ? Can they deny them jobs, or housing ? Can they arrest them, or even shoot them, and face no consequences ? Can they pollute the water or the air in their areas ? Can they stop them from voting, or redisgn their voting districts so their political power is diluted ?

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Reply #52 posted 12/08/16 2:47am

free2bfreeda

jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

If a person of color has power they can be racist too. Farrakhan uses racist rhetoric.

214, I thought you adored Hitler.

Farrakhan certainly is a racist, by any definition of the term. Unlike most Blacks, he truly believes that Whites are inferior. However, short of just beating random people up, what can Farrakhan or his followers actually DO to Whites ? Can they deny them jobs, or housing ? Can they arrest them, or even shoot them, and face no consequences ? Can they pollute the water or the air in their areas ? Can they stop them from voting, or redisgn their voting districts so their political power is diluted ?

and the answer is NO! because the word "power" is a tool that the majority of black people do not have within their control when it comes to what jjhunsecker posted (embolded) above.

dove

thus the word racist as it stands belongs to those in power. they (the racist whites) keep trying to seperate and place themselves on a level of supremacy over black people and people of color economically, socially, academically and territorially.

this current backlash and accusations of blacks being racist is the folderol

that the (white racist) accusers come up with in a vain attempt to divert attention away from the current economy, and how it is forcing them to be equal to black people and peole of color.

also the daily exposure of this country's historical lies is steadily coming to the forefront. thus exposing the (racist) control whites in government and in local power structures have held over the heads of blacks and people of color for centuries and decades.

as well as the exposure of the truths of how this country's (white racist) men in power have held on to a racist and biased attitude when it comes to placement and manipulation of black american citizens

and american citizens of color in our society, is proving to be a collective embarassment for them and their children.

there is a fear factor among racist whites, and that factor is the loss of power over people of color and expecially black people.

so they sling racist labels at black people as a last attempt to validate their place within their dying social norm.

and in this attempt they blatantly turn their backs on the reality that Norms change according to the environment or situation and may change or be modified over time. they are scared to let go.

for the racist whites, the loss of power and the reality that white supremacy is a lie scares the hell out of them.

think about it >>>>>> images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqpjzhw7azJDl8DZAqquX6dbThisT1i_8MZKt-qpakvD8EET2T those in power become paranoid about losing power and so pushes them to act.

rolleyes

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“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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Reply #53 posted 12/08/16 2:53am

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2freaky4church1 said:

If a person of color has power they can be racist too. Farrakhan uses racist rhetoric.



214, I thought you adored Hitler.


Farrakhan didn't write racist laws denying human rights of a racial group in this country. Neither have black supremacists who spew the same talk. He's racist talk, and selling his beliefs to keep his followers in check. Same tactic white supremacists use. Neither tell the truths about human genetics. Human geneticists who have done the research, DNA testing, know the truth. Quite frankly they are the ones who know the real truths and facts about the truths behind race, and their research and knowledge can debunk the bs of 'fake ass' supremacy teachings, no matter who speed that bs.

The problem is the OP and his gang of clueless lack the knowledge of the definition of racism, and using the term ignorantly as their defense or bait, against anyone here who exposes any truths about racial injustices, that have and does take place in this country, towards the black community, including America's history of documented racial discrimination, racislly-motivated murders, mistreatment, etc., and the legal laws that denied many Blacks and other persons of color, equal or fair rights. They're just whining and bitching, because they can't handle any truths of those realities. They bring absolutely nothing informative or intelligent, to these discussions, other than their simple and childish reactions.
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Reply #54 posted 12/08/16 3:43am

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2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:



I've said this many times about this Orger...he only attacks Blacks and their alleged "racism", but I never heard a word from him about the discrimination and hatred expressed against even HIS OWN PEOPLE...especially in this day and age of "build the wall" and increased hostility and overt acts of bias against Latinos and many others. It tells me a LOT about him, and it would be said if he wasn't so disgusting



Exactly and you are the one he admitted that he single-handedly racially-profiled all Black males that entered the store he worked in. It's one thing to disagree in a race discussion, but he even went so far as calling me a racist, and wishing my death, on Tony's thread about the decrease in white births. He was angry because Tony posted a few articles written by various writers about it. There was nothing wrong with that thread that warranted him to go off like a madman, making false accusations against any Black orger who responded to that thread for him to call them a racist for posting their opinion, and then wishing their death. That's sick. He complains about threads on race, but doesn't waste a second jumping on every, single one of those threads attacking orgers, then making up lies about them. He seems to think though, it's ok for him to create negative threads about Blacks, with some false information, he makes about the Black community, but doesn't like it if Black orgers debunk his false information about Blacks. It is pretty clear he holds a lot of pent-up anger and hatred towards Blacks, just by his aggressive responses and lies. I guess he thinks stalking, lying about Black orgers being racist, who have a discussion on race, is his only weapon in smearing their reputation on here, to satisfy his personal hangups and hatred of the Black community. He admitted to creating this thread as 'bait', so it's pretty clear what his agenda is. It's probably best to ignore him and let him sulk in his own hate. Eventually it will eat away at his soul. [Edited 12/7/16 15:24pm]


never said that....you must have me mixed with another brown orger! lol


We disagree, but I don't wish death upon anyone who is law abiding.


I never said you wished that. It was the OP of this thread who did.
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Reply #55 posted 12/08/16 3:59am

MoBettaBliss

free2bfreeda said:

thus the word racist as it stands belongs to those in power.


i fundamentally disagree with this

i agree that when one has power it's a whole different ball game

but the definition of the word has nothing to do with power... and everything to do with prejudice




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Reply #56 posted 12/08/16 4:35am

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I suggest if anyone wants to know the truth about the human race, then they need to study the work of human genetic scientists and anthropologists. There you will learn there is no such thing as a white supreme race. There never has been such a race. All humans belong to the same human family, so how can one ever be superior or inferior to another? They can't. It's common sense folks. However discussing racial injustices and exposing that to the public, has nothing to do with one being a racist, it has to do with raising awareness of mistreatment of specific humans, either based on their race, gender or religion, and that mistreatment should always be exposed. Regardless of who doesn't like it.

In the meantime, if anyone chooses, they can check out the works of Dr. Spencer Well, Dr. Alice Roberts, Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, just to name a few.

And to the clueless ones who panic when a race topic is being discussed, no need to call me a racist for sharing this info or for my opinions in this post. Enjoy your day everyone.
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Reply #57 posted 12/08/16 6:07am

free2bfreeda

MoBettaBliss said:

free2bfreeda said:

thus the word racist as it stands belongs to those in power.


i fundamentally disagree with this

i agree that when one has power it's a whole different ball game

but the definition of the word has nothing to do with power... and everything to do with prejudice




i respect and agree with ur pov. yet i moreso stand by the word "power" in defining "racism."

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: http://www.clarke.edu/med...racism.pdf

Definitions of Racism

“Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination. Racism involves having the power to carry out systematic discriminatory practices through the major institutions of our society.”

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WHITE RACISM “Power + Prejudice = Racism.” --from DEVELOPING NEW PERSPECTIVES ON RACE, by Pat A. Bidol “In the United States at present, only whites can be racists, since whites dominate and control the institutions that create and enforce American cultural norms and values . . . blacks and other Third World peoples do not have access to the power to enforce any prejudices they may have, so they cannot, by definition, be racists.” --from EDUCATION & RACISM, National Education Association. 1973 “Racism and white racism mean the same thing, if we are referring to practices of major institutions and dominant societal patterns in the United States today . . . White people are in the majority in the country . . . Thus, government, business, industry, unions, churches, educational and other institutions are almost always dominated by white people. When you combine power with racial discrimination, the result is racism.”

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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Reply #58 posted 12/08/16 6:27am

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the current definition of 'race' 'racism is only built on an age old 'ism' found among the human race.
Every continent has many diverse ethnic groups, many who think for various reason they are supreme over the others, better, smarter, strong, closer to the gods etc and have moved to do similar things that the current 'racism' concept perpetuates...

Africa Europe Middle East W Asia E Asia N America S America everyone is guilty

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Reply #59 posted 12/08/16 6:30am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

the current definition of 'race' 'racism is only built on an age old 'ism' found among the human race.
Every continent has many diverse ethnic groups, many who think for various reason they are supreme over the others, better, smarter, strong, closer to the gods etc and have moved to do similar things that the current 'racism' concept perpetuates...

Africa Europe Middle East W Asia E Asia N America S America everyone is guilty

yet here and now were are talking about and debating about racism in OUR country (respectfully).

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“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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