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PurpleJedi

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NON-AMERICANS: how do YOU view our current elections?


With so much lunacy this election year, I'm curious to see how people OUTSIDE of the U.S.A. perceive our current state of affairs.

I know that some countries have VERY heated elections, so our event may seem tame, but still... this is supposedly the "leader of the free world" being elected (no laughing no no no!).

Also...are Canadians starting to build a wall yet?

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Reply #1 posted 11/04/16 12:47pm

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Here in New Zealand I feel the whole nation is paused in a permanent facepalm.

350 million people and these two are the best two America has come up with?

Most of the shock is aimed towards Trump it has to be said.

What really gets me personally is the fatalistic approach from both sides of the divide. "It's the end of days if the other wins". Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support.

If Americans cared what the rest of the world thought of them, they'd be mortified.
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Reply #2 posted 11/04/16 12:55pm

MoBettaBliss

lust said:

Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support.



this is what really gets me... and it's rampant on this site


as for the candidates... they both make my skin crawl

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Reply #3 posted 11/04/16 1:27pm

PurpleJedi

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lust said:

Here in New Zealand I feel the whole nation is paused in a permanent facepalm. 350 million people and these two are the best two America has come up with? Most of the shock is aimed towards Trump it has to be said. What really gets me personally is the fatalistic approach from both sides of the divide. "It's the end of days if the other wins". Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support. If Americans cared what the rest of the world thought of them, they'd be mortified.


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Reply #4 posted 11/04/16 1:28pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

lust said:

Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support.



this is what really gets me... and it's rampant on this site


as for the candidates... they both make my skin crawl


lol

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Reply #5 posted 11/04/16 5:44pm

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Here in Mexico we see this election as the most dangerous one, if Trump wins say good bye to you beloved democracy, we see him as the new Htiler. Perhaps we are in the last days, at the very end.I'm very excited but i don't know why maybe it's cause we're all gonna die.

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Reply #6 posted 11/04/16 6:16pm

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I think pretty much all of Europe finds it equally bemusing and scary, and about 90% of the people can't believe that there is a chance that Trump might win. I mean, seriously as flawed as Hilary is... Trump as president is not something that most people here can even consider.
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Reply #7 posted 11/05/16 5:32am

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MoBettaBliss said:

lust said:

Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support.



this is what really gets me... and it's rampant on this site


as for the candidates... they both make my skin crawl

Hell fucking yes! Some of the threads are almost unreadable because of it.

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Reply #8 posted 11/05/16 5:41am

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nonames said:

I think pretty much all of Europe finds it equally bemusing and scary, and about 90% of the people can't believe that there is a chance that Trump might win. I mean, seriously as flawed as Hilary is... Trump as president is not something that most people here can even consider.

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.

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Reply #9 posted 11/05/16 4:47pm

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As an Australian, I view it with morbid fascination.

We have seen the stupidity of the self-destructive nature of the US primaries/election destroy one party each and every election - now we have watched it destroy both at the same time - whilst there a big things happening in the world, these go on ignored by a President in party mode and two parties trying to manage their self destruction.

Re Trump: Let's play POTUS candidate or Corrupt developing nation leader?

1 Does the candidate comes from an industry that has many corrupt businesses, like say, propertry development - This does not mean the particular person is corrupt, your need to look at other indications they are, like were they also involved with other corrupt industries like casinos? Did they rely on being one of the rich families to fund their business? Do they have a reputation for not paying? - not paying taxes? Not paying people that work for them? Using bankrupcy multiple times to get out of paying without this appearing to ever affect their personal wealth? Did they use payments recevied for charity funds to pay personal debts? Did they use the election to promote their business or, even, so their business receives payments for election events?

2 Have they used threats of violence and legal action to attack the oppostion? Did they or their supporters suggest the opposition leader be killed? Did they use slogans like "Corrupt insert name", "Lock her up"? Make suggestions that if they don't win then perhaps the vote was rigged and it should not be supported? Did they use a series of lies about competitors within their own party and outside to get where they are? Finally, is the way that they will/may win is based on accusations by a senior official in a special state police force? Is that person from the same party as the candidate having worked for previous regimes? Are the accusations unsubstantiated? Do they rely on gulit by association with a sex offender with no actual claim of any crime or involvement by the leader of the other party, just a deliberately well time action to derail the oppostion just before the vote? Did the same state police organisation also not pursue allegations of connections between the candidate and Russian expansionsim and manipulation?

Re Hillary: I see this as a more common failure - Like with Brexit, like with the fact that in Australia only 1 in 40 did not vote for one or other of the two big parties here in 1950 but now 1 in 4 don't vote for these. Hillary is the physical representation of how the major western political parties have become so slick at managing their message for the nightly news and facebook but in the process have failed to bring the people with them or to them - how the parties can ignore everyone outside of the swing voters on the mistaken short term view and belief that their old bases will always support them. This is magnified in the US because the two party system, low voter turnout, first past the post system has hidden the total lack of real representation by the two paries for so long - Until now, where you had two of the final four candidates (Bernie and Trump) needing to pretend to be one of these, but really never being a Democrat or a Republican.

It is also an impact of modern politics - the 10 second grap or 140 character tweet has replaced any analysis. We see no plans outside of the slogans from either person. We see the same scare campaigns as used in Australia eg our "Mediscare" - unfounded claims of unnannouced changes before the election that have not occured since the election. Coupled with this is: As the "left" wing parties move right, the "right" wing parties move to being more nationalistic and more violent libertarians rather than being a mix of modertate right and conservatives. In the meantime we fail to notice this because studies have shown that most people appear to be more left wing and caring about others in socual media than they really are.

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Reply #10 posted 11/05/16 5:27pm

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Trump and Hillary can't agree on how much depleted uranium should be bought for.
That is the depth of their differences, literally.
Their both racist. Period.
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Reply #11 posted 11/05/16 5:46pm

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IanRG said:

As an Australian, I view it with morbid fascination.



We have seen the stupidity of the self-destructive nature of the US primaries/election destroy one party each and every election - now we have watched it destroy both at the same time - whilst there a big things happening in the world, these go on ignored by a President in party mode and two parties trying to manage their self destruction.



Re Trump: Let's play POTUS candidate or Corrupt developing nation leader?



1 Does the candidate comes from an industry that has many corrupt businesses, like say, propertry development - This does not mean the particular person is corrupt, your need to look at other indications they are, like were they also involved with other corrupt industries like casinos? Did they rely on being one of the rich families to fund their business? Do they have a reputation for not paying? - not paying taxes? Not paying people that work for them? Using bankrupcy multiple times to get out of paying without this appearing to ever affect their personal wealth? Did they use payments recevied for charity funds to pay personal debts? Did they use the election to promote their business or, even, so their business receives payments for election events?



2 Have they used threats of violence and legal action to attack the oppostion? Did they or their supporters suggest the opposition leader be killed? Did they use slogans like "Corrupt insert name", "Lock her up"? Make suggestions that if they don't win then perhaps the vote was rigged and it should not be supported? Did they use a series of lies about competitors within their own party and outside to get where they are? Finally, is the way that they will/may win is based on accusations by a senior official in a special state police force? Is that person from the same party as the candidate having worked for previous regimes? Are the accusations unsubstantiated? Do they rely on gulit by association with a sex offender with no actual claim of any crime or involvement by the leader of the other party, just a deliberately well time action to derail the oppostion just before the vote? Did the same state police organisation also not pursue allegations of connections between the candidate and Russian expansionsim and manipulation?



Re Hillary: I see this as a more common failure - Like with Brexit, like with the fact that in Australia only 1 in 40 did not vote for one or other of the two big parties here in 1950 but now 1 in 4 don't vote for these. Hillary is the physical representation of how the major western political parties have become so slick at managing their message for the nightly news and facebook but in the process have failed to bring the people with them or to them - how the parties can ignore everyone outside of the swing voters on the mistaken short term view and belief that their old bases will always support them. This is magnified in the US because the two party system, low voter turnout, first past the post system has hidden the total lack of real representation by the two paries for so long - Until now, where you had two of the final four candidates (Bernie and Trump) needing to pretend to be one of these, but really never being a Democrat or a Republican.



It is also an impact of modern politics - the 10 second grap or 140 character tweet has replaced any analysis. We see no plans outside of the slogans from either person. We see the same scare campaigns as used in Australia eg our "Mediscare" - unfounded claims of unnannouced changes before the election that have not occured since the election. Coupled with this is: As the "left" wing parties move right, the "right" wing parties move to being more nationalistic and more violent libertarians rather than being a mix of modertate right and conservatives. In the meantime we fail to notice this because studies have shown that most people appear to be more left wing and caring about others in socual media than they really are.


Australia keeps getting more racist. I unfortunately live surrounded by white supramacists or transphobic people and their getting worse as racism goes mainstream.
Australia eventually becomes a proxy war for China and US.
Australia are racist so they will side with US. They don't want Chinese masters. They like their current white masters.
The detention camps is pure Australia. Evil inhumane racism. Just plain evil.
I wish people would stop saying that it is unaustralian. The detention camps are very Australian and stays true too their history and their people. Past and present.



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Reply #12 posted 11/05/16 6:01pm

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maplenpg said:

nonames said:

I think pretty much all of Europe finds it equally bemusing and scary, and about 90% of the people can't believe that there is a chance that Trump might win. I mean, seriously as flawed as Hilary is... Trump as president is not something that most people here can even consider.

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.


Exactly.

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Reply #13 posted 11/05/16 6:03pm

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Nice "choice" 4 y'all - Satan or Lucifer. We've got more than our fare share of warmongering, criminal, pedo freaks over here too. Puppets 4 the 1%. Nothing will change (4 the better) until the peasants storm the castle. Which ain't likely, what with all the walking dead. 'Democracy' falloff falloff falloff
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #14 posted 11/05/16 6:07pm

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JoeyC said:



maplenpg said:




nonames said:


I think pretty much all of Europe finds it equally bemusing and scary, and about 90% of the people can't believe that there is a chance that Trump might win. I mean, seriously as flawed as Hilary is... Trump as president is not something that most people here can even consider.

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.




Exactly.


It makes no difference between trump and Hillary. Stop with that.
They are both racists however appeal to different types of racists.
Hillary hates black and brown people. She's dripping in their blood.
Trump will too, he just wants a better deal than Hillary for his weapons.
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Reply #15 posted 11/05/16 6:12pm

hausofmoi7

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NinaB said:

Nice "choice" 4 y'all - Satan or Lucifer. We've got more than our fare share of warmongering, criminal, pedo freaks over here too. Puppets 4 the 1%

"Pedo's against Islam"
We have them here too.



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Reply #16 posted 11/05/16 6:17pm

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hausofmoi7 said:[quote]

NinaB said:

Nice "choice" 4 y'all - Satan or Lucifer. We've got more than our fare share of warmongering, criminal, pedo freaks over here too. Puppets 4 the 1%

"Pedo's against Islam"
We have them here too.



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What are "pedo's against Islam" ?
I'm not into organised religion but respect other's personal choice. Fundamentalists (from all religions) scare me tho.
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Reply #17 posted 11/05/16 7:02pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

lust said:

Also the hypocrisy of the faux moral oneupmanship of both sets of supporters. Disgusted and outraged by the "crimes" of the other candidate but willing to ignore all of the one they support.



this is what really gets me... and it's rampant on this site


as for the candidates... they both make my skin crawl


I feel the exact same way on both of the above, that's why I'm not voting for either.

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Reply #18 posted 11/05/16 7:04pm

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

Australia keeps getting more racist.

That is actually my point - As traditional left wig movesright, traditional moderate right wing (eg socially progressive but economically conservative) and conservatives are being replaced in West by nationalist (generally based on racism in response to racism) and violent libertarians (generally based on greed for your race/socio-economic group or against another race or group).

Other than that you are off topic as your response has nothing to do with non-American views of the US election - good to see nothing has changed in my absence.

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Reply #19 posted 11/05/16 7:24pm

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maplenpg said:

nonames said:

I think pretty much all of Europe finds it equally bemusing and scary, and about 90% of the people can't believe that there is a chance that Trump might win. I mean, seriously as flawed as Hilary is... Trump as president is not something that most people here can even consider.

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.


Flawed? The woman would be facing criminal charges if she wasn't so close to becoming president.

Here's the difference: Most people don't trust Hillary because she's proven to be a liar and proven to have intentionally committed offenses that she knew full well were serious in nature. There's also all the crap that happened on her watch. She represents the status quo, as nothing would improve with her because nothing would change with her.

Trump is just an egotistical arrogant sexist pig blowhard. His mouth always gets him in trouble because he is emotional and says what he feels. One thing is certain, he would bring a LOT of change ... and change is EXACTLY what most Americans want, because they're tired of not being able to get a decent job and tired of paying astronomical costs for healthcare and tired of having the country flooded with illegal aliens and tired of all the crime and terrorism and violence.

This much almost every American would agree on: Hillary represents status quo, Trump represents change.

Which one do you think people want when things are bad, do they want status quo or do they want change?

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Reply #20 posted 11/05/16 8:10pm

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Flawed? The woman would be facing criminal charges if she wasn't so close to becoming president.

Here's the difference: Most people don't trust Hillary because she's proven to be a liar and proven to have intentionally committed offenses that she knew full well were serious in nature. There's also all the crap that happened on her watch. She represents the status quo, as nothing would improve with her because nothing would change with her.

Trump is just an egotistical arrogant sexist pig blowhard. His mouth always gets him in trouble because he is emotional and says what he feels. One thing is certain, he would bring a LOT of change ... and change is EXACTLY what most Americans want, because they're tired of not being able to get a decent job and tired of paying astronomical costs for healthcare and tired of having the country flooded with illegal aliens and tired of all the crime and terrorism and violence.

This much almost every American would agree on: Hillary represents status quo, Trump represents change.

Which one do you think people want when things are bad, do they want status quo or do they want change?

Except outside of your internal and politically allegiant veiw - Trump is a proven liar (pretty much everything he said in the debates and in his rallies has been easily debunked) and has confessed to intentionally commiting offenses against women (no one really thinks he was using teenage "locker room" when at nearly 60 he was talking about how he could get away with abusing women) and he represents the status quo - White, male, rich, Republican, business profits before people, rich before poor, abuser of the legal and tax systems in ways mostly only available to the rich, racism before humanity, guns before well anything especially commonsense

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


Australia keeps getting more racist.


That is actually my point - As traditional left wig movesright, traditional moderate right wing (eg socially progressive but economically conservative) and conservatives are being replaced in West by nationalist (generally based on racism in response to racism) and violent libertarians (generally based on greed for your race/socio-economic group or against another race or group).



Other than that you are off topic as your response has nothing to do with non-American views of the US election - good to see nothing has changed in my absence.


You must of missed the part where I mention Australia becoming a proxy war for US and China.
Australia due to white supremacy Australia will side with US.
This is the significance of the US election on Australia if we are being honest.







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Reply #22 posted 11/05/16 8:52pm

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


Australia keeps getting more racist.


That is actually my point - As traditional left wig movesright, traditional moderate right wing (eg socially progressive but economically conservative) and conservatives are being replaced in West by nationalist (generally based on racism in response to racism) and violent libertarians (generally based on greed for your race/socio-economic group or against another race or group).



Other than that you are off topic as your response has nothing to do with non-American views of the US election - good to see nothing has changed in my absence.


FYI you had no point. You said something without saying anything.
There is no moderate right wing. It is extreme in nature. Call it like it is.
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Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.


Flawed? The woman would be facing criminal charges if she wasn't so close to becoming president.

Here's the difference: Most people don't trust Hillary because she's proven to be a liar and proven to have intentionally committed offenses that she knew full well were serious in nature. There's also all the crap that happened on her watch. She represents the status quo, as nothing would improve with her because nothing would change with her.

Trump is just an egotistical arrogant sexist pig blowhard. His mouth always gets him in trouble because he is emotional and says what he feels. One thing is certain, he would bring a LOT of change ... and change is EXACTLY what most Americans want, because they're tired of not being able to get a decent job and tired of paying astronomical costs for healthcare and tired of having the country flooded with illegal aliens and tired of all the crime and terrorism and violence.

This much almost every American would agree on: Hillary represents status quo, Trump represents change.

Which one do you think people want when things are bad, do they want status quo or do they want change?



I believe Trump has no professional or intelligent ability to effect any kind of change in the country or the world outside of what putting a cast member of Jersey Shore in a suit and taking him to a U.N. meeting would do. Just listen to how he answered questions in any of the debates. Or anywhere. Just listen to how he talks. Research how he works out things.


I think people are failing to grasp that Trump is as qualified to serve as president as he is competent at running his team and staff... He destroyed his party, has staff quitting right and left (no pun intended), and is visibly, openly lying without any media slant or middleman coloring it; directly to everyone's eyes and ears. Not talking about past history or hearsay. Talking about live TV and up to the date idiocy.



Even right now Trump is reportedly not paying his own pollster company. Because he doesn't like the polls? Imagine him shrugging his shoulders and flying up in Air Force One if he incurrs a militaristic terrorist strike from enemies he enrages. He doesn't actually seem to give a shit about poltics, the world, or people and society.



The big change Trump might bring about is a complete change in the system of government and the devaluation of the concept of a president as part of it, since someone like him was able to rise into being considered.



Trump should golf with Rodrigo Duterte and Putin.



Do people realize he had rallies where he was encouraging people to chant "Lock her up!" and what that is? Complete irresponsible unAmerican dictator like actions. It's like a step backwards 200 years. Plain as day. It's like when an African dictator rises in a land of uneducated, superstitious, and unhappy by inciting mob mentality.

I will say part of me wishes he would become president because maybe humans have had enough time alive.

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Reply #24 posted 11/05/16 10:47pm

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ufoclub said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Flawed? The woman would be facing criminal charges if she wasn't so close to becoming president.

Here's the difference: Most people don't trust Hillary because she's proven to be a liar and proven to have intentionally committed offenses that she knew full well were serious in nature. There's also all the crap that happened on her watch. She represents the status quo, as nothing would improve with her because nothing would change with her.

Trump is just an egotistical arrogant sexist pig blowhard. His mouth always gets him in trouble because he is emotional and says what he feels. One thing is certain, he would bring a LOT of change ... and change is EXACTLY what most Americans want, because they're tired of not being able to get a decent job and tired of paying astronomical costs for healthcare and tired of having the country flooded with illegal aliens and tired of all the crime and terrorism and violence.

This much almost every American would agree on: Hillary represents status quo, Trump represents change.

Which one do you think people want when things are bad, do they want status quo or do they want change?



I believe Trump has no professional or intelligent ability to effect any kind of change in the country or the world outside of what putting a cast member of Jersey Shore in a suit and taking him to a U.N. meeting would do. Just listen to how he answered questions in any of the debates. Or anywhere. Just listen to how he talks. Research how he works out things.


I think people are failing to grasp that Trump is as qualified to serve as president as he is competent at running his team and staff... He destroyed his party, has staff quitting right and left (no pun intended), and is visibly, openly lying without any media slant or middleman coloring it; directly to everyone's eyes and ears. Not talking about past history or hearsay. Talking about live TV and up to the date idiocy.



Even right now Trump is reportedly not paying his own pollster company. Because he doesn't like the polls? Imagine him shrugging his shoulders and flying up in Air Force One if he incurrs a militaristic terrorist strike from enemies he enrages. He doesn't actually seem to give a shit about poltics, the world, or people and society.



The big change Trump might bring about is a complete change in the system of government and the devaluation of the concept of a president as part of it, since someone like him was able to rise into being considered.



Trump should golf with Rodrigo Duterte and Putin.



Do people realize he had rallies where he was encouraging people to chant "Lock her up!" and what that is? Complete irresponsible unAmerican dictator like actions. It's like a step backwards 200 years. Plain as day. It's like when an African dictator rises in a land of uneducated, superstitious, and unhappy by inciting mob mentality.

I will say part of me wishes he would become president because maybe humans have had enough time alive.

Great post ! Couldn't have said it better myself...For those naive enough to think Trump will bring "change"...remember, Mussolini also brought "change", as did Pol Pot and Idi Amin and Mugabe

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Reply #25 posted 11/05/16 10:49pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

100% agreed. However I don't think anyone here in the UK thought Brexit would win, even that it had a chance, and so I'm not completely writing off a jaw-dropping moment to come until the results are in.

I just don't get why he even has a chance though? What does anyone see in Trump? I simply cannot get my head around the fact that people would rather vote for a dangerous narcissist than a flawed but experienced politician. And if people are really so stupid to vote for Trump as an anti-Hillary sentiment then I'm afraid they deserve everything they get.


Flawed? The woman would be facing criminal charges if she wasn't so close to becoming president.

Here's the difference: Most people don't trust Hillary because she's proven to be a liar and proven to have intentionally committed offenses that she knew full well were serious in nature. There's also all the crap that happened on her watch. She represents the status quo, as nothing would improve with her because nothing would change with her.

Trump is just an egotistical arrogant sexist pig blowhard. His mouth always gets him in trouble because he is emotional and says what he feels. One thing is certain, he would bring a LOT of change ... and change is EXACTLY what most Americans want, because they're tired of not being able to get a decent job and tired of paying astronomical costs for healthcare and tired of having the country flooded with illegal aliens and tired of all the crime and terrorism and violence.

This much almost every American would agree on: Hillary represents status quo, Trump represents change.

Which one do you think people want when things are bad, do they want status quo or do they want change?

The not very bright expect simple answers to complex problems...and often look to an authoritarian leader to "better their lives" in the ways that they have been unable to

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Reply #26 posted 11/05/16 10:51pm

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ufoclub said:



I believe Trump has no professional or intelligent ability to effect any kind of change in the country or the world outside of what putting a cast member of Jersey Shore in a suit and taking him to a U.N. meeting would do. Just listen to how he answered questions in any of the debates. Or anywhere. Just listen to how he talks. Research how he works out things.


I think people are failing to grasp that Trump is as qualified to serve as president as he is competent at running his team and staff... He destroyed his party, has staff quitting right and left (no pun intended), and is visibly, openly lying without any media slant or middleman coloring it; directly to everyone's eyes and ears. Not talking about past history or hearsay. Talking about live TV and up to the date idiocy.



Even right now Trump is reportedly not paying his own pollster company. Because he doesn't like the polls? Imagine him shrugging his shoulders and flying up in Air Force One if he incurrs a militaristic terrorist strike from enemies he enrages. He doesn't actually seem to give a shit about poltics, the world, or people and society.



The big change Trump might bring about is a complete change in the system of government and the devaluation of the concept of a president as part of it, since someone like him was able to rise into being considered.



Trump should golf with Rodrigo Duterte and Putin.



Do people realize he had rallies where he was encouraging people to chant "Lock her up!" and what that is? Complete irresponsible unAmerican dictator like actions. It's like a step backwards 200 years. Plain as day. It's like when an African dictator rises in a land of uneducated, superstitious, and unhappy by inciting mob mentality.

I will say part of me wishes he would become president because maybe humans have had enough time alive.

Great post ! Couldn't have said it better myself...For those naive enough to think Trump will bring "change"...remember, Mussolini also brought "change", as did Pol Pot and Idi Amin and Mugabe

I agree, great post!!

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Reply #27 posted 11/05/16 11:19pm

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You must of missed the part where I mention Australia becoming a proxy war for US and China. Australia due to white supremacy Australia will side with US. This is the significance of the US election on Australia if we are being honest.

FYI you had no point. You said something without saying anything. There is no moderate right wing. It is extreme in nature. Call it like it is.

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No, your response was simply not an answer to the question about how we perceive the current US state of affairs in regards to their election. This question is not about the significance of the election on Australia or the country you come from. Is Australia more likely to side with US because of the complete stuff up the US has made in this election? No. Is Australia more likely to side with China if Hillary or if Trump wins? That depends on the balance between US political lunacy and Chinese expansionism. Australia approached China to establish improved relations before Nixon did and have consistently been more friendly with them since then.

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Re: No moderate right wing. Politcal views are a continuum. with mutiple dimensions and different beliefs. It is wrong to say that there is no graduation, no shades of grey. To call all those with a different view extremists by nature is simply an indication of your extremism, it is not a reflection of reality. I am sure that in your coutry you will find people who are far left and far right and in between there will be centerists and moderate left and right leaning people - even those far to one side will beleive things that are not as far to that side or even things that are to the opposite side. Attempts to classify people with trite lines like "call it like it is" is so often said by the extremist who seek to divide

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Reply #28 posted 11/06/16 4:22am

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Except outside of your internal and politically allegiant veiw - Trump is a proven liar (pretty much everything he said in the debates and in his rallies has been easily debunked) and has confessed to intentionally commiting offenses against women (no one really thinks he was using teenage "locker room" when at nearly 60 he was talking about how he could get away with abusing women) and he represents the status quo - White, male, rich, Republican, business profits before people, rich before poor, abuser of the legal and tax systems in ways mostly only available to the rich, racism before humanity, guns before well anything especially commonsense


Sure Trump has shortcomings when it comes to knowledge of certain subjects, but being wrong doesn't necessarily mean he's lying. He's just ignorant at times. The guy is a businessman, he's never held any type of political office. Therefore he has a lot to learn. Personally I think nobody should be allowed to run for president without some sort of political experience, I think experience as a governor or senator should be a requirement, but I know that will never happen.

Sure he's a sexist pig, but I'm not going to get into whether or not he was serious about the groping. Egomaniacs like to say shit to impress people, it's hard to believe he did that to anybody who didn't mind. Otherwise, why didn't it come up before? The guy is worth billions, surely there would have been high profile lawsuits against him if there was a shred of evidence. Do you really buy the whole "fear for her life" excuse for recently dismissing her own lawsuit? I sure as hell don't.

Umm ... you're a tad bit behind in the times, as America hasn't been led by a white male rich Republican since 2008. For the past 8 years it's been led by a black male rich Democrat, I'm astonished you didn't know that.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #29 posted 11/06/16 4:35am

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If you don't realize that Trump is a pathological liar then you need to get your head checked.

This is why humanity is fucked. Too many stupid people running around.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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