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Thread started 10/18/16 4:49pm

bigbrother

Prince and the US election

Although Prince said he didn't vote because JWs have never voted, Prince was by all accounts interested in the world around him and was a self-confessed "news junkie" who certainly had political themes in his music. With this in mind, how do you think Prince would have voted in the forthcoming November 2016 US presidential election if he casted aside any prohibition from the JWs and why?
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Reply #1 posted 10/18/16 5:51pm

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Reply #2 posted 10/18/16 5:57pm

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Reply #3 posted 10/18/16 6:02pm

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https://www.jw.org/en/jeh...eutrality/

And I quote from the above link:

Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality?--- Jehovah's Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons, based on what the Bible teaches. We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments. We believe that the Bible gives solid reasons for following this course...........

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Reply #4 posted 10/18/16 7:26pm

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I'm pretty sure he would've wrote in Jesus Christ, The Higher Power, etc... something of that nature or something cryptic even if he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. I do not believe we could expect a material vote especially with these candidates.

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Reply #5 posted 10/18/16 7:47pm

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luv4u said:

https://www.jw.org/en/jeh...eutrality/

And I quote from the above link:

Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality?--- Jehovah's Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons, based on what the Bible teaches. We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments. We believe that the Bible gives solid reasons for following this course...........

But...some of his songs did speak of politics and war...

Baltimore

Are we gonna see another day?
We’re tired of crying and people dying
Let’s take all the guns away

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Reply #6 posted 10/18/16 8:07pm

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“So what if we’re controlling all the oil / Is it worth a child dying for?” ~ Money Don't Matter Tonight

“A sister killed her baby ’cause she couldn’t afford to feed it / And yet we’re sending people to the moon / In September, my cousin tried reefer for the very first time / Now he’s doing horse — it’s June.” ~Sign 'O' The Times



Read More: 'It's Time For a New Educ...ical Songs | http://theboombox.com/pri...ck=tsmclip


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Reply #7 posted 10/18/16 8:34pm

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AnonymousFan said:

I'm pretty sure he would've wrote in Jesus Christ, The Higher Power, etc... something of that nature or something cryptic even if he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. I do not believe we could expect a material vote especially with these candidates.


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Reply #8 posted 10/18/16 8:35pm

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Listen, ain't no sense in voting. Same song with a different name.

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Reply #9 posted 10/18/16 8:41pm

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{EDIT] , I just realized your status is "not a fan" so this post is mostly for everyone else. Trolls need not reply.

Prince's Rainbow Children Phase was just that a phase. Here is Prince from his last Rolling Stone interview..(making references to female presidents and his female bandmates). Also, keep in mind that Prince supported Black LIves Matter, a cause that is like poison to Trump. I still don't think he would have voted but if he was forced, it sure as hell would not have been Trump.

Prince specifically wanted a female band, seeking out members via YouTube – back in 2010, he had discovered Nielsen on MySpace. "We're in the feminine aspect now," he says. "That's where society is. You're gonna get a woman president soon. Men have gone as far as they can, right? ... I learn from women a lot quicker than I do from men. ... At a certain point, you're supposed to know what it means to be a man, but now what do you know about what it means to be a woman? Do you know how to listen? Most men don't know how to listen. "
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This may not be word for word (he didn't allow recording) but I trust that it was probably pretty close to what he actually said. It is like he was remembering what his love symbol stood for (although he is man-bashing a bit)

http://www.rollingstone.c...-20160502

Also, he sang this in the song Fixurlife up..from those girls on your moniker..

Girl with a guitar is twelve times better than another crazy band of boys
Trying to be a star
When you're just another brick in a misogynistic wall of noise

His thirdeyegirl bandmates actually said he was surprisingly laid back with them and less controlling than he is usually described as.

3rdeyeboy said:

bigbrother said:

Although Prince said he didn't vote because JWs have never voted, Prince was by all accounts interested in the world around him and was a self-confessed "news junkie" who certainly had political themes in his music. With this in mind, how do you think Prince would have voted in the forthcoming November 2016 US presidential election if he casted aside any prohibition from the JWs and why?



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

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Reply #10 posted 10/18/16 9:03pm

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sro100 said:

Listen, ain't no sense in voting. Same song with a different name.

You're everything wrong with the democratic process, if you genuenly maintain that attitude.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #11 posted 10/18/16 9:22pm

gandorb

purplerabbithole said:

{EDIT] , I just realized your status is "not a fan" so this post is mostly for everyone else. Trolls need not reply.

Prince's Rainbow Children Phase was just that a phase. Here is Prince from his last Rolling Stone interview..(making references to female presidents and his female bandmates). Also, keep in mind that Prince supported Black LIves Matter, a cause that is like poison to Trump. I still don't think he would have voted but if he was forced, it sure as hell would not have been Trump.

Prince specifically wanted a female band, seeking out members via YouTube – back in 2010, he had discovered Nielsen on MySpace. "We're in the feminine aspect now," he says. "That's where society is. You're gonna get a woman president soon. Men have gone as far as they can, right? ... I learn from women a lot quicker than I do from men. ... At a certain point, you're supposed to know what it means to be a man, but now what do you know about what it means to be a woman? Do you know how to listen? Most men don't know how to listen. "
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This may not be word for word (he didn't allow recording) but I trust that it was probably pretty close to what he actually said. It is like he was remembering what his love symbol stood for (although he is man-bashing a bit)

http://www.rollingstone.c...-20160502

Also, he sang this in the song Fixurlife up..from those girls on your moniker..



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

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Nice points. I would add that the entire 20ten album conveys the opposite of Trump's message and also way more accepting of "everybody" with "compassion" than his strict JW days.

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Reply #12 posted 10/18/16 9:35pm

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That song could be interpreted as mostly frustation. the politcal parties were starting to resemble each other in the last couple of years. But this year, we have Trump the lunatic in there. Perhaps, Prince might have considered voting this year.

that being said, considering the limits that can be placed on presidents by congress and the sway that can result from commonly held opinions of the populace, in times of peace, the political parties can start to matter less. l. A war president is the biggest one to worry about (and voting in my opinion is most crucial in times of war due to the unchecked power that can be given to commander and chief) . Except when you have a lunatic like Trump who might start a war just with his loud mouth and his little hissy fits..

By the way, I vote so I don't agree with Prince (and I am a democrat so bigger government doesn't bother me) but I understand the frustration. Plus, sometimes I wonder if most people were given incentives to vounteer as activists for their favorite causes at least once a year (after we vote of course), it might hold such significant sway over our leaders that maybe the party they belong to might eventually matter less.. A politican who wants to keep his job will listen to what the majority is advocating for (they stop being idealogues or towing a party line when they know their jobs are in trouble). The problem is that the populace is uninformed, detached from and unmotivated to participate in public life. Perhaps, what Prince was saying in that song is that people feel disenfranchised and detached from their leaders and they are trying to figure out ways to change things. I think the "maybe we should write a letter" line is supposed to be a bit ironic and further reveal how helpless and confused people feel. He doesn't offer solutions in that song, but he does offer a list of grievances and that is a start. Grass root efforts might have more power than we know.

I do like the line from Fixurlife up, about leaders being better when they learn to follow and it gave me hope that Prince wasn't so detached from politics anymore. But I still think he is talking about grass roots type of change...which his charitable organization (the coding one for inner city youths for example) seem to exemplify.

Also, keep in mind that Prince played for Obama in 2015 and even complimented him on how hard he tried to make a difference,,,saying he was proud. He seemed more interested in how politics worked around 2011 (gaining it probably from Van Jones who used to work for Obama)

bluegangsta said:

sro100 said:

Listen, ain't no sense in voting. Same song with a different name.

You're everything wrong with the democratic process, if you genuenly maintain that attitude.

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3rdeyeboy said:

bigbrother said:

Although Prince said he didn't vote because JWs have never voted, Prince was by all accounts interested in the world around him and was a self-confessed "news junkie" who certainly had political themes in his music. With this in mind, how do you think Prince would have voted in the forthcoming November 2016 US presidential election if he casted aside any prohibition from the JWs and why?



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

I saw that rolling stones quote in some instagram post where he said "You're gonna get a woman president soon" and people took this quote as he was "pro-clinton" which i find it laughable and sadly the reality if he weren't a JW and actually votes; he would be a Trump supporter and i could not imagine how his fanbase would react lmao

ps i hate both candidates so here's that. biggrin

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bluegangsta said:

sro100 said:

Listen, ain't no sense in voting. Same song with a different name.

You're everything wrong with the democratic process, if you genuenly maintain that attitude.

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Not necessarily if you take the US 'democracy' into consideration.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #15 posted 10/18/16 9:43pm

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bluegangsta said:

sro100 said:

Listen, ain't no sense in voting. Same song with a different name.

You're everything wrong with the democratic process, if you genuenly maintain that attitude.

Hey genius, that's Prince from "Dear Mr. Man."

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Reply #16 posted 10/18/16 9:45pm

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udo said:

bluegangsta said:

You're everything wrong with the democratic process, if you genuenly maintain that attitude.

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Not necessarily if you take the US 'democracy' into consideration.

It's Prince lyrics. But I agree with them.

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Reply #17 posted 10/18/16 10:12pm

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Image result for vote for pat paulsen

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #18 posted 10/18/16 10:23pm

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Maybe you should re-read Prince's entire quote which I posted on this thread. On top of the line about a women president, he throws shade at men for not listening, calling women better listeners/teachers, saying that we are in the "feminine aspect" now..(which might be referring to the feminine aspect of God--which would certainly show a broadening of his religion--a fact that he alluded to in another later interview,)--Its a pro-woman quote at the very least. I pasted and copied the entire quote. Read and tell me that this wasn't a different vibe than rainbow children. Its like the power shifted to women and he was completely fine with that due to women's ability to truely listen. Its like he is saying men's inability to listen is holding them back. Interesting stuff.

okay here it is...

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Prince specifically wanted a female band, seeking out members via YouTube – back in 2010, he had discovered Nielsen on MySpace. "We're in the feminine aspect now," he says. "That's where society is. You're gonna get a woman president soon. Men have gone as far as they can, right? ... I learn from women a lot quicker than I do from men. ... At a certain point, you're supposed to know what it means to be a man, but now what do you know about what it means to be a woman? Do you know how to listen? Most men don't know how to listen. "

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joeycocopuffs said:

3rdeyeboy said:



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

I saw that rolling stones quote in some instagram post where he said "You're gonna get a woman president soon" and people took this quote as he was "pro-clinton" which i find it laughable and sadly the reality if he weren't a JW and actually votes; he would be a Trump supporter and i could not imagine how his fanbase would react lmao

ps i hate both candidates so here's that. biggrin

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to me his seemed to miss as much as he hit. Silly ideas half baked ideas like "take all the guns away" Ok cops and government first then we can talk.

or dear mr man about not leading a hand? what? the government gives many people a hand....

the so what if were controlling all the oil line... asking if it is WORTH a child dying? Not sure what he means. we need oil... the song had to be about desert storm as if that was not a just action. Again it is something that sounds cool but is over all a miss.

Party Up (Morris Day) was off kilter as at that time we were not in a war and the draft was some 10 years prior... so seems to be off by a decade.

even if SOTT is wonky: even if all the money from the space exploration was put into socialprograms some people would be in need. And the silly idea that the space program is not a profit (by the billions in revenue created by the communications networks has paid for it all and then some. So in reality sending people to the moon helped sister feed her baby.

also remember he said he liked Reagan over carter... Ronnie Talk 2 Russia speaks to that...


and America is pro American even when he points out issues it is still clear that we was pro American and pro capitalism.


No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #20 posted 10/19/16 7:42am

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He was right about the banished ones.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #21 posted 10/19/16 9:50am

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bigbrother said:

Although Prince said he didn't vote because JWs have never voted, Prince was by all accounts interested in the world around him and was a self-confessed "news junkie" who certainly had political themes in his music. With this in mind, how do you think Prince would have voted in the forthcoming November 2016 US presidential election if he casted aside any prohibition from the JWs and why?


If Prince was still with us today, he would still remain an unregistered voter.

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Reply #22 posted 10/19/16 9:52am

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TonyVanDam said:

bigbrother said:

Although Prince said he didn't vote because JWs have never voted, Prince was by all accounts interested in the world around him and was a self-confessed "news junkie" who certainly had political themes in his music. With this in mind, how do you think Prince would have voted in the forthcoming November 2016 US presidential election if he casted aside any prohibition from the JWs and why?


If Prince was still with us today, he would still remain an unregistered voter.

i agree...i am sick of that meme with the fake quote of his about why he votes republican (or the white house lit up purple...)

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Image result for pat paulsen for president

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Reply #24 posted 10/20/16 11:17am

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purplerabbithole said:

{EDIT] , I just realized your status is "not a fan" so this post is mostly for everyone else. Trolls need not reply.

Prince's Rainbow Children Phase was just that a phase. Here is Prince from his last Rolling Stone interview..(making references to female presidents and his female bandmates). Also, keep in mind that Prince supported Black LIves Matter, a cause that is like poison to Trump. I still don't think he would have voted but if he was forced, it sure as hell would not have been Trump.

Prince specifically wanted a female band, seeking out members via YouTube – back in 2010, he had discovered Nielsen on MySpace. "We're in the feminine aspect now," he says. "That's where society is. You're gonna get a woman president soon. Men have gone as far as they can, right? ... I learn from women a lot quicker than I do from men. ... At a certain point, you're supposed to know what it means to be a man, but now what do you know about what it means to be a woman? Do you know how to listen? Most men don't know how to listen. "
.

This may not be word for word (he didn't allow recording) but I trust that it was probably pretty close to what he actually said. It is like he was remembering what his love symbol stood for (although he is man-bashing a bit)

http://www.rollingstone.c...-20160502

Also, he sang this in the song Fixurlife up..from those girls on your moniker..



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

I'm guess I'm still a bigger fan than you as I didn't roll up with the ghouls post April 21st.

So if you are saying Prince had 'phases', then maybe in the last few months he wanted a candidate who could free the US population from the corrupt status quo. That ain't Hilary.

He was calling 'Free Urself' afterall.

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3rdeyeboy said:

purplerabbithole said:

{EDIT] , I just realized your status is "not a fan" so this post is mostly for everyone else. Trolls need not reply.

Prince's Rainbow Children Phase was just that a phase. Here is Prince from his last Rolling Stone interview..(making references to female presidents and his female bandmates). Also, keep in mind that Prince supported Black LIves Matter, a cause that is like poison to Trump. I still don't think he would have voted but if he was forced, it sure as hell would not have been Trump.

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This may not be word for word (he didn't allow recording) but I trust that it was probably pretty close to what he actually said. It is like he was remembering what his love symbol stood for (although he is man-bashing a bit)

http://www.rollingstone.c...-20160502

Also, he sang this in the song Fixurlife up..from those girls on your moniker..



I'm sure he would have. Based on the fact he believed in fairies, the theorcratic order and womens second tier status, I guess he would have voted Trump.

I'm guess I'm still a bigger fan than you as I didn't roll up with the ghouls post April 21st.

So if you are saying Prince had 'phases', then maybe in the last few months he wanted a candidate who could free the US population from the corrupt status quo. That ain't Hilary.

He was calling 'Free Urself' afterall.

you two play nice or mom will trun the van around and no more candy for either of U

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #26 posted 10/20/16 1:19pm

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AnonymousFan said:

I'm pretty sure he would've wrote in Jesus Christ, The Higher Power, etc... something of that nature or something cryptic even if he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. I do not believe we could expect a material vote especially with these candidates.


Pretty much.

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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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