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Thread started 07/16/16 3:46pm

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Pakistani social media star murdered in 'honour killing,' police say

Just wow sad

Qandeel Baloch, a social media star whose exploits divided opinion in conservative Pakistan, was strangled, allegedly by her brother, in what appears to be a so-called "honour killing," police and her family said on Saturday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ar...-1.3682349


"Honour killings" are normally murders committed because of patriarchal concepts of honour and shame. They're considered gender-based crimes, since girls and women are usually the victims.


The father said his son did it............ but I suspect both are involved. Sad that womens lives in some parts of the world are worthless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...or_killing


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Reply #1 posted 07/17/16 2:30am

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Anywhere in the world. We imported these problems too. 20 girls murdered last year in the Netherlands. About twenty years ago a Maroccan friend of my sister was abducted to Marroco because she he'd to closer ties to non-believing people like ourselves. Samar was afraid that it would happen to her, because her mother had told her she put her family to shame in eyes of the muslim community. We saw her back 10 years later. Married, with children and covered up with only her face reckonisable. She did not acknowledge my sister althought she did see her. Her husband was there too. Like a good moslima she followed the bearded man into the house never taking her eyes of the ground. That was the last time we saw her. Yeah...it a cultural thing...has nothing to do with islam...like all other things...

Sad that womens lives in some parts of the world are worthless.

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Reply #2 posted 07/17/16 7:34am

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It happened in Dallas a few years ago, a "father" murdered his two daughters for being too western, sadly this is all to common in Islam.

I used the analogy of a nice shirt! I had a beautful silk shirt. I loved it... but then i got a ink stain on it so I threw it away!

That is all too often how men in the faith see woman. Valuable and beautiful but if stained worthless trash.

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If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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Reply #3 posted 07/17/16 7:35am

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Saw this on CNN this morning, front and center, three articles about killings in Pakistan. Had me wondering why they are spotlighting Pakistan so prominently today. I'm sure this is nothing new there.

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Reply #4 posted 07/17/16 8:48am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

That is all too often how men in the faith see woman. Valuable and beautiful but if stained worthless trash.


That is a great analogy.

Of course, you'll have those who will insist that religion had nothing to do with it ...

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Reply #5 posted 07/17/16 10:08am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

It happened in Dallas a few years ago, a "father" murdered his two daughters for being too western, sadly this is all to common in Islam.

I used the analogy of a nice shirt! I had a beautful silk shirt. I loved it... but then i got a ink stain on it so I threw it away!

That is all too often how men in the faith see woman. Valuable and beautiful but if stained worthless trash.

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Islamic faith has nothing to do with it. It is an ingrained cultural thing in some cultures. The murderer(s) see it is their right to restore honour back to the family by killing the family member - they don't see it as a murder/crime.

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Reply #6 posted 07/17/16 10:13am

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We have them here, they are called spousel abuse.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 07/17/16 10:31am

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There's a whole bunch of very shocking stories about honor killing in the below article, I copied only the parts that pertain to Muslims/Islam:

https://www.washingtonpos...happening/

Some Islamic fundamentalists think that only through the murder of an offending family member can honor be restored to the rest of the family.

Those who are stoned in an honor killing are oftentimes accused of committing adultery. Both genders face stonings in Pakistan and across 14 Muslim countries, but women are more frequently the targets.

The reason is rooted in sexual inequality in such countries, where the punishment has survived through some interpretations of sharia...slamic law, that say adultery is punishable by stoning.

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Reply #8 posted 07/17/16 10:35am

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2freaky4church1 said:

We have them here, they are called spousel abuse.


Comparing the OJ'ing of American women by their husbands to the public stonings and other honor killings of girls as young as 11 at the hands of 50 or more murderers?

Not a good analogy my friend.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #9 posted 07/18/16 10:41am

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luv4u said:

Just wow sad

Qandeel Baloch, a social media star whose exploits divided opinion in conservative Pakistan, was strangled, allegedly by her brother, in what appears to be a so-called "honour killing," police and her family said on Saturday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/ar...-1.3682349


"Honour killings" are normally murders committed because of patriarchal concepts of honour and shame. They're considered gender-based crimes, since girls and women are usually the victims.


The father said his son did it............ but I suspect both are involved. Sad that womens lives in some parts of the world are worthless.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...or_killing


I'm not so sure that the father was involved. He filed a case against the son who committed the killing and also against the other son who was encouraging his brother to do it. It is not clear when the case was filed, before or after the killing, but even so, usually with honor killings there is a certain pride shown in ridding the family of the person who brought shame upon it. It is certainly unusual to testify against the perpetrators if you agree with what they've done.

The family obviously all had strong beliefs, qandeel believed in change, in women's rights and freedom of expression; her brothers believed in traditional family values and regarded what she was doing as bringing shame upon the family. Without knowing them it is impossible to presuppose the father's belief, but the fact he has testified against his sons suggests that, whether he agreed with his daughters actions or not, he didn't want her to die.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #10 posted 07/18/16 12:04pm

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This is Beyond UNBELIEVABLE!! The brother should be shot.

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Reply #11 posted 07/18/16 12:17pm

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...and all of Pakistan (and India too!) should be made to watch the movie "Pleasantville".....

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Reply #12 posted 07/18/16 2:13pm

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This is Beyond UNBELIEVABLE!! The brother should be shot.

Sadly, it's very believeable and happens far too often. However, I don't believe that murdering the murderer makes anything any better. Progress takes time, often decades and I think the shocked reaction to this high-profile murder of his own sister has propelled the discussion to the forefront. That has to be a good thing - hopefully her death will not be in vain.

If you're going to refer to people as 'scum' or 'garbage vomit', at least have a reason to do so.
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Reply #13 posted 07/18/16 3:06pm

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domainator2010 said:

...and all of Pakistan (and India too!) should be made to watch the movie "Pleasantville".....


Then after that, they should be made to watch "The Wicker Man".

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #14 posted 07/23/16 6:46am

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Never seen that - what's it about?

And btw, the Dad has now said that the brother should be shot as well, so he concurs with me! smile

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Reply #15 posted 07/23/16 2:02pm

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domainator2010 said:

Never seen that - what's it about?


It's been ten years, so hopefully I won't spoil it for anyone ... but just in case, stop reading here ...






















It's about an island ruled by women, who lure men to the island one at a time to be sacrificially burned alive. So basically it's the same thing as the honor killings, except it's men who are being publically killed by women ... and the men aren't even accused of doing anything wrong.




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"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

https://nypost.com/2019/0...a-is-long/
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Reply #16 posted 07/23/16 5:19pm

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This is really sad. This makes you wonder if the religion is to blame or the culture is to blame. The problem is that they're both inextricable from the other so would it be wrong to say that Islam is the reason for these types of honor killings?

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