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Reply #210 posted 04/30/15 10:09am

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names of officers that stole Mr. Freddie Gray's life.

The Baltimore Police Department today released the names of the six officers suspended as part of the investigation into the Freddie Gray arrest.

The news release, emailed by police spokesman Jeremy Silbert, lists the officers’ names, noting they are “currently suspended with pay” and on administrative duties.

• Lieutenant Brian Rice, 41. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1997.

• Sergeant Alicia White, 30. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2010.

• Officer William Porter, 25. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.

• Officer Garrett Miller, 26. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.

• Officer Edward Nero, 29. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.

• Officer Caesar Goodson, 45. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1999.

: https://www.baltimorebrew...gray-case/

The officers have been suspended with pay

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Reply #211 posted 04/30/15 10:25am

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Police complete Freddie Gray investigation, city prosecutors will review findings

: http://www.baltimoresun.c...story.html

April 30 12:59pm

thus begins the circus of manipulation to exonerate the guilty and villify the victim.

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Reply #212 posted 04/30/15 10:27am

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free2bfreeda said:

Police complete Freddie Gray investigation, city prosecutors will review findings

: http://www.baltimoresun.c...story.html

April 30 12:59pm

thus begins the circus of manipulation to exonerate the guilty and villify the victim.



Good to see you aren't pre-judging this.

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Reply #213 posted 04/30/15 10:45am

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RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

Police complete Freddie Gray investigation, city prosecutors will review findings

: http://www.baltimoresun.c...story.html

April 30 12:59pm

thus begins the circus of manipulation to exonerate the guilty and villify the victim.



Good to see you aren't pre-judging this.

seems there's a pattern Rodeo. once again>>>>Freddie Gray will be found guilty.

maybe it seems i pre-judge. i guess i'm just protecting myself from dispondency and befuddlement by believing in a fair judicial system. i can not feign a belief that the corrupt officers will ever be found accountable for their actions.

[Edited 4/30/15 11:07am]

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Reply #214 posted 04/30/15 10:51am

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2elijah said:

V10LETBLUES said:
The officers in that padywagon better be hooking themselves whenith good attorneys. Right now all my suspicion is laser focused in that direction. The two who have spoken so far only make the situation more dubious to me as its smacks of nothing but bullshit. Those two accounts on made matters worse in my book. It comes off as tampering with an investigation by those in the hot seat. NOTHING so far has raised the bullshit meter as those two accounts.
Yes, something doesn't add up. Investigators trying to get a warrant for one of the cop's uniform to test for Freddie's DNA as well. Why would he try to injure himself more, when he was already injured and asking for medical help, prior to getting in the van? Doesn't make sense. Somebody is lying. [Edited 4/30/15 10:05am]

Not saying that Freddie did it on purpose, but people have

.

In 1998 I had a guy who worked in my dept, who 'sued' the company for negligence, 'he allegedly fell down back steps into the shipping dock' broke his leg in a few piece. A few open positions had to be cut as a result.

.

Then I received a call a few week later from a man, inquiring about 'Victor's' situation.
Turns out the man calling was the husband of the woman Victor was cheating with. The husband came home and caught them, Victor tried to get out the window and broke his leg. The husband took Victor to the emergency.
.
Victor's buds/cousins told him he should milk it. He came to the company shipping dock early in the morning took the cast off and rolled himself down the stairs.

And got paid. And he was in a lot of pain.

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Reply #215 posted 04/30/15 11:06am

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free2bfreeda said:


^^^^^


all this because of corrupt cops not being held accountable from the onset. Mr Gray died a horrific death due to thieving cops.




thieving?



Well it's not all due to the cops


The family request that people respect their wishes and not do ^^^ He was their son


Not those people protesting. and definately not those who choose to hijack the protests to riot




The family asked for peaceful protests. They family members were at
One of the early protests, before their son's body was released. Protests were going on almost a week before the media showed up. The fsmily is basically just asking for protesters to remain calm without violence.
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Reply #216 posted 04/30/15 11:09am

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2elijah said:


V10LETBLUES said:
The officers in that padywagon better be hooking themselves whenith good attorneys. Right now all my suspicion is laser focused in that direction. The two who have spoken so far only make the situation more dubious to me as its smacks of nothing but bullshit. Those two accounts on made matters worse in my book. It comes off as tampering with an investigation by those in the hot seat. NOTHING so far has raised the bullshit meter as those two accounts.

Yes, something doesn't add up. Investigators trying to get a warrant for one of the cop's uniform to test for Freddie's DNA as well. Why would he try to injure himself more, when he was already injured and asking for medical help, prior to getting in the van? Doesn't make sense. Somebody is lying. [Edited 4/30/15 10:05am]



Not saying that Freddie did it on purpose, but people have


.


In 1998 I had a guy who worked in my dept, who 'sued' the company for negligence, 'he allegedly fell down back steps into the shipping dock' broke his leg in a few piece. A few open positions had to be cut as a result.


.


Then I received a call a few week later from a man, inquiring about 'Victor's' situation.
Turns out the man calling was the husband of the woman Victor was cheating with. The husband came home and caught them, Victor tried to get out the window and broke his leg. The husband took Victor to the emergency.
.
Victor's buds/cousins told him he should milk it. He came to the company shipping dock early in the morning took the cast off and rolled himself down the stairs.


And got paid. And he was in a lot of pain.




Yeah well, I am not buying that BS.
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Reply #217 posted 04/30/15 11:13am

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free2bfreeda said:

Police complete Freddie Gray investigation, city prosecutors will review findings



: http://www.baltimoresun.c...story.html



April 30 12:59pm



thus begins the circus of manipulation to exonerate the guilty and villify the victim.


I kind of suspect the same old, same old tactics. If that doesn't happen, then it will be a miracle if any of those officers are charged.
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Reply #218 posted 04/30/15 11:16am

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When all is said and done, those stops on the way to the police station and the officers responsible for the inmate in their possession better have good explanations and even better attorneys. If they don't then that's a huge problem.
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Reply #219 posted 04/30/15 11:20am

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

thieving?

Well it's not all due to the cops

The family request that people respect their wishes and not do ^^^ He was their son

Not those people protesting. and definately not those who choose to hijack the protests to riot

The family asked for peaceful protests. They family members were at One of the early protests, before their son's body was released. Protests were going on almost a week before the media showed up. The fsmily is basically just asking for protesters to remain calm without violence.

the day of the funeral the NOI had to help stear them away from the stuff happening out on the streets

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Reply #220 posted 04/30/15 11:23am

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Baltimore teenager smacked by 'hero mom' says he's learned his lesson

But should we be celebrating her?

Dylan Stableford
Yahoo News

The Baltimore teenager who was smacked by his angry mother during Monday's riots — a moment seen in a video that quickly went viral — says he learned a lesson from his public shaming. But some are questioning the celebration of her tactics.

In a pair of interviews, Michael Singleton described the confrontation.

"I was just like, 'Oh, man. What is my mother doing down here? Why would she be down here?'" Singleton told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "But when I heard, 'Put that brick down,' I was like, 'Oh, that's my mother.'"

On Tuesday, Toya Graham, the 42-year-old single mother of six, told CBS News that she didn't want to see her only son become "a Freddie Gray," the 25-year-old who died in police custody earlier this month.

"I felt as though my friends were down there," the 16-year-old said of his decision to join the rioters. "A couple of my friends had been beaten by the police, killed by the police. So I felt as though I needed to go down there, show my respect."

"I was so angry with him that he had made a decision to do some harm to the police officers," Graham told Cooper. "I just lost it at that point."

Or, as Singleton put it, "It was just World War III from right there."

As the clip of the maternal smackdown circulated, Graham was soon branded a "hero mom."

"Forget the National Guard," the New York Post declared on its front page. "Send in the moms."

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Reply #221 posted 04/30/15 11:25am

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Baltimore Protests: What Smacked Baltimore Teen Has to Say About His Mom

Good Morning America
Baltimore Protests: What Smacked Baltimore Teen Has to Say About His Mom
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Baltimore Protests: What Smacked Baltimore Teen Has to Say About His Mom (ABC News)
The teenage boy publicly shamed when his mom smacked him around at the Baltimore riots this week said he knows she "really cares about me."

A video shows Michael Singleton being dragged from the protests and whacked by his mother, Toya Graham, after she saw him on television and recognized a key piece of clothing.

"What caught my eye was his sweatpants," she told ABC News. "Even though he had on all black, I knew those sweatpants he had on, they had a stripe on the side of it and then his eye contact met mine. And I knew that was my son."

Though he was visibly annoyed and tried brushing off his mom in the video that has now gone viral, the 16-year-old recognizes that she was just looking out for him.

"I’m like, 'Oh man! What is my momma doing down here?'" Michael told ABC News, laughing while thinking back to the moment his mom nabbed him Monday afternoon.

"All my friends know my mother. Every time they see her they’re like, 'Toya coming.' Oh, yeah she’s coming. Everybody better get straight," he said.

He added: “I understand how much my mother really cares about me. I just got to try to do better.”

Despite some criticism that she went too far with the corporal punishment, Graham has been widely praised as a hero and an example of good parenting by taking control of her son, who said he wasn't planning on going out on the afternoon of Freddie Gray's funeral but his friends convinced him. Gray died this month with unexplained injuries after being taken into police custody, prompting protests in Baltimore and elsewhere.

"To see him down there, doing what he was doing, we're not doing that," Graham said.

"I'm not angry with him anymore. As long as I have breath in my body, you will not be on the streets, selling drugs, you just not going to live like that.”

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Reply #222 posted 04/30/15 11:35am

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free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:



Good to see you aren't pre-judging this.

seems there's a pattern Rodeo. once again>>>>Freddie Gray will be found guilty.

maybe it seems i pre-judge. i guess i'm just protecting myself from dispondency and befuddlement by believing in a fair judicial system. i can not feign a belief that the corrupt officers will ever be found accountable for their actions.

[Edited 4/30/15 11:07am]



I get you. But it's self-defeating to tie demands and protests to an incident that could ultimately prove different from perception.

Look at the Michael Brown episode. An entire movement was created around "Hands up, don't shoot" but then it turns out Brown didn't have his hands up. The movement gets incredible push-back from those who are resistant to change, and those people get strength from the ability to say, "Hey - if your entire premise is wrong, then come back when you have a legitimate gripe. Because no one had their hands up, did they?"

That's what happened in Brown's case and it unfortunately changed the narrative. At best, it took focus off the real issues that were identified after Brown's killing.

I don't want the same thing to happen here. We don't know for sure what happened to Gray. We have a guy that was in the van with Gray saying Gray repeatedly threw himself against the walls. Could that have caused the fatal injury, or contributed to an already-existing condition? Maybe, and until it's known for sure, then using Freddie Gray as a rallying point could do more harm than good.

We won't get very far if our position is "OK, we were wrong about what happened. But we still want change!"

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Reply #223 posted 04/30/15 11:38am

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RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:



I get you. But it's self-defeating to tie demands and protests to an incident that could ultimately prove different from perception.

Look at the Michael Brown episode. An entire movement was created around "Hands up, don't shoot" but then it turns out Brown didn't have his hands up. The movement gets incredible push-back from those who are resistant to change, and those people get strength from the ability to say, "Hey - if your entire premise is wrong, then come back when you have a legitimate gripe. Because no one had their hands up, did they?"

That's what happened in Brown's case and it unfortunately changed the narrative. At best, it took focus off the real issues that were identified after Brown's killing.

I don't want the same thing to happen here. We don't know for sure what happened to Gray. B. Could that have caused the fatal injury, or contributed to an already-existing condition?
I don't want the same thing to happen here. We don't know for sure what happened to Gray. We have a guy that was in the van with Gray saying Gray repeatedly threw himself against the walls. Could that have caused the fatal injury, or contributed to an already-existing condition? Maybe, and until it's known for sure, then using Freddie Gray as a rallying point could do more harm than good. Maybe, and until it's known for sure, then using Freddie Gray as a rallying point could do more harm than good.

We won't get very far if our position is "OK, we were wrong about what happened. But we still want change!"

i can not under stand why no one is considering the reason Mr Gray was thrashing about in the van was due to extreme pain and possible convulsions/seizures because of a spinal cord and crushed larnyx injuries. the man was most probably going in to the convulsions because he could not manage the pain he was in. also it was reported that he was having a hard time breathing while inside of the van. put that together with the aforementioned then one can conclude that Mr Gray would be "trashing" about and throwing his self all about.

anyone here would thrash about in pain if the were in Mr Gray's place.

heck, i've seen people have to walk around and scream for something as minor as a severe tooth ache.

(or is it some unknown fact that blacks don't react physically to severe pain?)

yes the Mr Gray was moving about and thrashin in the van, but ask yourself (in reality) why?

[Edited 4/30/15 11:57am]

[Edited 4/30/15 12:03pm]

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Reply #224 posted 04/30/15 12:01pm

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free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:



I get you. But it's self-defeating to tie demands and protests to an incident that could ultimately prove different from perception.

Look at the Michael Brown episode. An entire movement was created around "Hands up, don't shoot" but then it turns out Brown didn't have his hands up. The movement gets incredible push-back from those who are resistant to change, and those people get strength from the ability to say, "Hey - if your entire premise is wrong, then come back when you have a legitimate gripe. Because no one had their hands up, did they?"

That's what happened in Brown's case and it unfortunately changed the narrative. At best, it took focus off the real issues that were identified after Brown's killing.

I don't want the same thing to happen here. We don't know for sure what happened to Gray. B. Could that have caused the fatal injury, or contributed to an already-existing condition? Maybe, and until it's known for sure, then using Freddie Gray as a rallying point could do more harm than good.

We won't get very far if our position is "OK, we were wrong about what happened. But we still want change!"

i can not under stand why no one is considering the reason Mr Gray was thrashing about in the van was due to extreme pain and possible convulsions/seizures because of a spinal cord and crushed larnyx injuries. the man was most probably going in to the convulsions because he could not manage the pain he was in.

anyone here would thrash about in pain if the were in Mr Gray's place.

heck, i've seen people have to walk around and scream for something as minor as a severe tooth ache.

yes the Mr Gray was moving about and thrashin in the van, but ask yourself (in reality) why?

[Edited 4/30/15 11:54am]



Maybe you are right, but that's why it should be thoroughly investigated before conclusions are reached.

There were plenty of people who were absolutely certain Michael Brown had his hands up but forensic evidence proved he didn't.

FWIW, if my spinal cord was in pain I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be thrashing against walls. In fact, that's the last thing I would do. I had three bulging discs last year, which resulted in three separate cases of sciatic nerve damage.

The second one was so painful that I would not have resisted if I had been told my leg needed to be cut off. When I was in pain that intense, I can assure you that running into anything solid was the very last thing that ever would have crossed my mind.

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Reply #225 posted 04/30/15 12:07pm

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not saying that Freddie did it on purpose, but people have

.

In 1998 I had a guy who worked in my dept, who 'sued' the company for negligence, 'he allegedly fell down back steps into the shipping dock' broke his leg in a few piece. A few open positions had to be cut as a result.

.

Then I received a call a few week later from a man, inquiring about 'Victor's' situation.
Turns out the man calling was the husband of the woman Victor was cheating with. The husband came home and caught them, Victor tried to get out the window and broke his leg. The husband took Victor to the emergency.
.
Victor's buds/cousins told him he should milk it. He came to the company shipping dock early in the morning took the cast off and rolled himself down the stairs.

And got paid. And he was in a lot of pain.

Yeah well, I am not buying that BS.

It can't be BS until all evidence is presented. Most people protesting this did not even know about his spinal surgery just a week or 2 prior

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Reply #226 posted 04/30/15 12:09pm

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RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

i can not under stand why no one is considering the reason Mr Gray was thrashing about in the van was due to extreme pain and possible convulsions/seizures because of a spinal cord and crushed larnyx injuries. the man was most probably going in to the convulsions because he could not manage the pain he was in.

anyone here would thrash about in pain if the were in Mr Gray's place.

heck, i've seen people have to walk around and scream for something as minor as a severe tooth ache.

yes the Mr Gray was moving about and thrashin in the van, but ask yourself (in reality) why?

[Edited 4/30/15 11:54am]



Maybe you are right, but that's why it should be thoroughly investigated before conclusions are reached.

There were plenty of people who were absolutely certain Michael Brown had his hands up but forensic evidence proved he didn't.

FWIW, if my spinal cord was in pain I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be thrashing against walls. In fact, that's the last thing I would do. I had three bulging discs last year, which resulted in three separate cases of sciatic nerve damage.

The second one was so painful that I would not have resisted if I had been told my leg needed to be cut off. When I was in pain that intense, I can assure you that running into anything solid was the very last thing that ever would have crossed my mind.

how could Mr Gray have diagnosed his physical injuries. all he knew was that he was in massive pain.

remember:

When a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

if you had been beat down and (unknowingly) sustained spinal cord and larnyx injuries, i'll bet you three cups of coffee or tea you would thrash about.

maybe your age and experience would dictate you not to move about. however different people have different thresh holds for pain.

i still and will always feel Mr Gray was "trashing" about in pain. also he was screaming out in pain.

ALSO WE DON'T KNOW IF HE SUSTAINED BRAIN INJURIES THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED: Post-traumatic seizures



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Reply #227 posted 04/30/15 12:25pm

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RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

i can not under stand why no one is considering the reason Mr Gray was thrashing about in the van was due to extreme pain and possible convulsions/seizures because of a spinal cord and crushed larnyx injuries. the man was most probably going in to the convulsions because he could not manage the pain he was in.

anyone here would thrash about in pain if the were in Mr Gray's place.

heck, i've seen people have to walk around and scream for something as minor as a severe tooth ache.

yes the Mr Gray was moving about and thrashin in the van, but ask yourself (in reality) why?

[Edited 4/30/15 11:54am]



Maybe you are right, but that's why it should be thoroughly investigated before conclusions are reached.

There were plenty of people who were absolutely certain Michael Brown had his hands up but forensic evidence proved he didn't.

FWIW, if my spinal cord was in pain I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be thrashing against walls. In fact, that's the last thing I would do. I had three bulging discs last year, which resulted in three separate cases of sciatic nerve damage.

The second one was so painful that I would not have resisted if I had been told my leg needed to be cut off. When I was in pain that intense, I can assure you that running into anything solid was the very last thing that ever would have crossed my mind.

I get what you are saying
There are certain kinds of pain, from certain bodyparts that once you feel it, the last thing you do is continue to aggrivate it

The spin being the center of our nervous system, it's an automatic, you don't move.

.
Now if the cops really were purposely throwing him around, with sudden stops and wild turns then nothing he could do to control the movement.

.

If the other prisoner also was not restrained then he should have the same experience of being thrown around, and that will come up in the court reports.

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Reply #228 posted 04/30/15 12:30pm

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free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:

how could Mr Gray have diagnosed his physical injuries. all he knew was that he was in massive pain.

remember:

When a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

if you had been beat down and (unknowingly) sustained spinal cord and larnyx injuries, i'll bet you three cups of coffee or tea you would thrash about.

maybe your age and experience would dictate you not to move about. however different people have different thresh holds for pain.

i still and will always feel Mr Gray was "trashing" about in pain. also he was screaming out in pain.

ALSO WE DON'T KNOW IF HE SUSTAINED BRAIN INJURIES THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED: Post-traumatic seizures



[Edited 4/30/15 12:16pm]



You're right about one thing - we don't know. For instance, I didn't know he'd had spinal surgery a week before his arrest.

Now you're starting to qualify your suppositions, saying that he "(unknowingly)" sustained injuries. It seems to me that if you have to start qualifying your analyses, and making guesses, then you should realize that we don't know enough facts to make a final determination.

Remember - this happened in Michael Brown's case and it turned out the whole premise of "Hands up, don't shoot" was wrong. That damaged the movement far more than anything else, IMHO.

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Reply #229 posted 04/30/15 12:33pm

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RodeoSchro said:



Maybe you are right, but that's why it should be thoroughly investigated before conclusions are reached.

There were plenty of people who were absolutely certain Michael Brown had his hands up but forensic evidence proved he didn't.

FWIW, if my spinal cord was in pain I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be thrashing against walls. In fact, that's the last thing I would do. I had three bulging discs last year, which resulted in three separate cases of sciatic nerve damage.

The second one was so painful that I would not have resisted if I had been told my leg needed to be cut off. When I was in pain that intense, I can assure you that running into anything solid was the very last thing that ever would have crossed my mind.

I get what you are saying
There are certain kinds of pain, from certain bodyparts that once you feel it, the last thing you do is continue to aggrivate it

The spin being the center of our nervous system, it's an automatic, you don't move.

.
Now if the cops really were purposely throwing him around, with sudden stops and wild turns then nothing he could do to control the movement.

.

If the other prisoner also was not restrained then he should have the same experience of being thrown around, and that will come up in the court reports.



Right. I've never injured my spine per se, but that's where the sciatic nerve comes from and let me tell you - I was not joking when I said I'd have accepted the loss of the leg if they'd told me that was the only way to alleviate the pain. It was incredible. I actually couldn't move an INCH without screaming and crying.

If a spinal injury inflicts even half as much pain as that, I'd be incredibly surprised if anyone with one would be throwing themselves against anything. But this is what investigations are for.

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Reply #230 posted 04/30/15 12:38pm

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Could Freddie Gray have severed his own spine in a Baltimore police van? It's highly unlikely

Thursday, April 30, 2015, 1:32 PM

: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.2205179

>>>>>>>

How does a spinal cord injury happen? A spinal cord injury is "damage to the spinal cord that results in a loss of function such as mobility or feeling." This type of injury is most often caused by a traumatic blow of the kind that would be sustained in a car accident, severe fall or an act of violence.

There must be a sudden, traumatic blow to the spine that fractures, dislocates, crushes or compresses one or more of the vertebrae, or when a gun shot or knife penetrates the spinal cord. After a spinal cord injury, bleeding, inflammation and swelling occurs, and fluid builds up in and around the spinal cord.

The medical evidence that's apparent does not seem to confirm a contention that Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord in the back of a Baltimore police van on April 12, Dr. David Samadi says.

Without immediate treatment, this can lead to permanent paralysis, or in Gray’s case, death. Baltimore police officers have already been suspended for failing to get Gray prompt medical care.

The higher in the back or neck the spinal cord injury occurs, the more dysfunction a person will have as a result. So with a spinal cord injury that occurs from a blow to the neck, a person usually loses function in the arms and legs.

The Washington Post on Wednesday obtained testimony alleg...r prisoner who was in the van with Gray, who said he may have injured himself during the ride in the back of the van to the police station.

The man said he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the van and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document quoted by the newspaper. They were separated by a metal partition, and the man did not actually see Gray trying to harm himself.

As seen in a video taken by a witness who saw Gray being put into the back of the van, Gray was being dragged by the cops into the van, and it seems as though he was unable to walk.

The ability to control your limbs after a spinal cord injury depends on where along the spinal cord the injury took place, and how severe the injury is. If Gray was showing signs of loss of function in his legs before being put in the van, how could the injury have taken place in the van?

There are a number of signs and symptoms that can occur very shortly after a person suffers a spinal injury. These include extreme back pain, pressure in the neck, head or back, weakness, loss of coordination or paralysis in any part of the body, as well as difficulty with balance and walking, impaired breathing after injury and oddly positioned or twisted neck or back.

As seen on the video, Gray was clearly in pain, screaming that he was hurt, and could not walk. He was also having trouble breathing because he kept asking for his inhaler.

Now, let’s talk about the crushed larynx. Also known as a laryngotracheal injury, a crushed larynx is pretty rare in adults, except when there is blunt force trauma to the front of the neck, such as strangulation, or blows to the trachea from fists or feet.

This is usually caused by a car accident when the passenger does not have a seatbelt on, in the front seat, or driving, and there are no protective airbag.

In this case, the person in the front seat or driver is thrown forward and the front of the neck either hits the dashboard or steering wheel.

The direct blow to the front of the neck crushes the larynx

against the spine of the neck. This type of injury can also occur during sports, fights, falling forward onto a blunt object such as the handle bars of a bicycle, or during strangulation. Depending on the severity of the impact, the larynx and trachea can compress against the spine.

Is it possible that Gray...shed first, causing the spinal cord injury? Maybe that caused the spinal cord injury. In order for this to happen, there would have to have been a direct blow to the front of his neck, which is unlikely to have been a self-imposed injury in the back of the van.

This could also explain why Gray had trouble breathing. If the blow to the front of the neck is severe and/or low, the larynx and trachea can become completely separated, causing airway obstruction and difficulty breathing.

With this type of injury, the neck must be immediately stabilized to prevent worsening of unrecognized cervical spine injuries. Gray allegedly asked for medical attention multiple times, yet he did not receive it...ce station, where he was found unconscious in the back of the van.

It is unclear which injury happened first, or whether one caused the other, but it seems clear that there was nearly no way he caused the fatal injuries himself.

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Could Freddie Gray have severed his own spine in a Baltimore police van? It's highly unlikely

Thursday, April 30, 2015, 1:32 PM

: http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.2205179

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How does a spinal cord injury happen? A spinal cord injury is "damage to the spinal cord that results in a loss of function such as mobility or feeling." This type of injury is most often caused by a traumatic blow of the kind that would be sustained in a car accident, severe fall or an act of violence.

There must be a sudden, traumatic blow to the spine that fractures, dislocates, crushes or compresses one or more of the vertebrae, or when a gun shot or knife penetrates the spinal cord. After a spinal cord injury, bleeding, inflammation and swelling occurs, and fluid builds up in and around the spinal cord.

The medical evidence that's apparent does not seem to confirm a contention that Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord in the back of a Baltimore police van on April 12, Dr. David Samadi says.

Without immediate treatment, this can lead to permanent paralysis, or in Gray’s case, death. Baltimore police officers have already been suspended for failing to get Gray prompt medical care.

The higher in the back or neck the spinal cord injury occurs, the more dysfunction a person will have as a result. So with a spinal cord injury that occurs from a blow to the neck, a person usually loses function in the arms and legs.

The Washington Post on Wednesday obtained testimony alleg...r prisoner who was in the van with Gray, who said he may have injured himself during the ride in the back of the van to the police station.

The man said he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the van and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document quoted by the newspaper. They were separated by a metal partition, and the man did not actually see Gray trying to harm himself.

As seen in a video taken by a witness who saw Gray being put into the back of the van, Gray was being dragged by the cops into the van, and it seems as though he was unable to walk.

The ability to control your limbs after a spinal cord injury depends on where along the spinal cord the injury took place, and how severe the injury is. If Gray was showing signs of loss of function in his legs before being put in the van, how could the injury have taken place in the van?

There are a number of signs and symptoms that can occur very shortly after a person suffers a spinal injury. These include extreme back pain, pressure in the neck, head or back, weakness, loss of coordination or paralysis in any part of the body, as well as difficulty with balance and walking, impaired breathing after injury and oddly positioned or twisted neck or back.

As seen on the video, Gray was clearly in pain, screaming that he was hurt, and could not walk. He was also having trouble breathing because he kept asking for his inhaler.

Now, let’s talk about the crushed larynx. Also known as a laryngotracheal injury, a crushed larynx is pretty rare in adults, except when there is blunt force trauma to the front of the neck, such as strangulation, or blows to the trachea from fists or feet.

This is usually caused by a car accident when the passenger does not have a seatbelt on, in the front seat, or driving, and there are no protective airbag.

In this case, the person in the front seat or driver is thrown forward and the front of the neck either hits the dashboard or steering wheel.

The direct blow to the front of the neck crushes the larynx

against the spine of the neck. This type of injury can also occur during sports, fights, falling forward onto a blunt object such as the handle bars of a bicycle, or during strangulation. Depending on the severity of the impact, the larynx and trachea can compress against the spine.

Is it possible that Gray...shed first, causing the spinal cord injury? Maybe that caused the spinal cord injury. In order for this to happen, there would have to have been a direct blow to the front of his neck, which is unlikely to have been a self-imposed injury in the back of the van.

This could also explain why Gray had trouble breathing. If the blow to the front of the neck is severe and/or low, the larynx and trachea can become completely separated, causing airway obstruction and difficulty breathing.

With this type of injury, the neck must be immediately stabilized to prevent worsening of unrecognized cervical spine injuries. Gray allegedly asked for medical attention multiple times, yet he did not receive it...ce station, where he was found unconscious in the back of the van.

It is unclear which injury happened first, or whether one caused the other, but it seems clear that there was nearly no way he caused the fatal injuries himself.

eek

But the thing is he just had spinal surgery. So we aren't looking at a healthy undamaged spinal cord.

Anyway hopefully forensics will prove one way or another

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Reply #232 posted 04/30/15 12:48pm

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RodeoSchro said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I get what you are saying
There are certain kinds of pain, from certain bodyparts that once you feel it, the last thing you do is continue to aggrivate it

The spin being the center of our nervous system, it's an automatic, you don't move.

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Now if the cops really were purposely throwing him around, with sudden stops and wild turns then nothing he could do to control the movement.

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If the other prisoner also was not restrained then he should have the same experience of being thrown around, and that will come up in the court reports.



Right. I've never injured my spine per se, but that's where the sciatic nerve comes from and let me tell you - I was not joking when I said I'd have accepted the loss of the leg if they'd told me that was the only way to alleviate the pain. It was incredible. I actually couldn't move an INCH without screaming and crying.

If a spinal injury inflicts even half as much pain as that, I'd be incredibly surprised if anyone with one would be throwing themselves against anything. But this is what investigations are for.

remember Mr Gray was also complaining that he "could not breathe." if ones air supply is comprimised, then one would be fighting and moving about (almost violently) for their life.

cool

so anyway Rodeo, we always seem to respectfully discuss our differences. that's why i find it interesting to share our individual POVs.

you keep it respectful and non condescending or controlling.

thx 4 that

when the investigation is finished, hopefully the prosecutor will be impartial, thourough, unbiased and fair in the final outcome.

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free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:



Right. I've never injured my spine per se, but that's where the sciatic nerve comes from and let me tell you - I was not joking when I said I'd have accepted the loss of the leg if they'd told me that was the only way to alleviate the pain. It was incredible. I actually couldn't move an INCH without screaming and crying.

If a spinal injury inflicts even half as much pain as that, I'd be incredibly surprised if anyone with one would be throwing themselves against anything. But this is what investigations are for.

remember Mr Gray was also complaining that he "could not breathe." if ones air supply is comprimised, then one would be fighting and moving about (almost violently) for their life.

cool

so anyway Rodeo, we always seem to respectfully discuss our differences. that's why i find it interesting to share our individual POVs.

you keep it respectful and non condescending or controlling.

thx 4 that

when the investigation is finished, hopefully the prosecutor will be impartial, thourough, unbiased and fair in the final outcome.



Ditto, thanks!

You are so right on your last point, and that's why I always say voting is so vital. If we have officials that AREN'T impartial and unbiased, we need to either vote them out or vote out their bosses. About the only people we can't ever vote our are federal judges.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/...?ocid=iehp

Prisoner in police van said Freddie Gray was ‘banging against the walls’

High school and college students march from Penn Station to City Hall for justice for Freddie Gray in Baltimore, Maryland on April 29, 2015

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray’s death.

[Federal investigation lau...’s death]

Jason Downs, one of the attorneys for the Gray family, said the family had not been told of the prisoner’s comments to investigators.

“We disagree with any implication that Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord,” Downs said. “We question the accuracy of the police reports we’ve seen thus far, including the police report that says Mr. Gray was arrested without force or incident.”

Baltimore police said they will wrap up their investigation Friday and turn the results over to the Baltimore state’s attorney’s office, which will decide whether to seek an indictment. Six police officers, including a lieutenant and a sergeant, have been suspended.

Capt. Eric Kowalczyk, chief spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department, declined to comment on the affidavit, citing the ongoing investigation.

The affidavit is part of a search warrant seeking the seizure of the uniform worn by one of the officers involved in Gray’s arrest or transport. It does not say how many officers were in the van, whether any reported that they heard banging or whether they would have been able to help Gray if he was seeking to injure himself. Police have mentioned only two prisoners in the van.

Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony W. Batts has admitted flaws in the way officers handled Gray after they chased him through a West Baltimore housing project and arrested him. They said they later found a switchblade clipped to the inside of his pants. Batts has said officers repeatedly ignored Gray’s pleas for medical help and failed to secure him with a safety belt or harness in the back of the transport van.

Video shot by several bystanders has fueled the rage in West Baltimore. It shows two officers on top of Gray, their knees in his back, and then dragging his seemingly limp body to the van as he cried out.

Batts has said Gray stood on one leg and climbed into the van on his own.

The van driver stopped three times while transporting Gray to a booking center, the first to put him in leg irons. Batts said the officer driving the van described Gray as “irate.” The search warrant application says Gray “continued to be combative in the police wagon.”

The driver made a second stop, five minutes later, and asked an officer to help check on Gray. At that stop, police have said the van driver found Gray on the floor of the van and put him back on the seat, still without restraints. Police said Gray asked for medical help at that point.

The third stop was to put the other prisoner — a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19.

The prisoner, who is in jail, could not be reached for comment. No one answered the phone at his house, and an attorney was not listed in court records.

Batts has said officers violated policy by failing to properly restrain Gray. But the president of the Baltimore police union noted that the policy mandating seat belts took effect April 3 and was e-mailed to officers as part of a package of five policy changes on April 9, three days before Gray was arrested.

Gene Ryan, the police union president, said many officers aren’t reading the new policies – updated to meet new national standards – because they think they’re the same rules they already know, with only cosmetic changes. The updates are supposed to be read out during pre-shift meetings.

The previous policy was written in 1997, when the department used smaller, boxier wagons that officers called “ice cream trucks.” They originally had a metal bar that prisoners had to hold during the ride. Seat belts were added later, but the policy left their use discretionary.

Ryan said that until all facts become clear, he “urged everyone not to rush to judgment. The facts as presented will speak for themselves. I just wish everyone would take a step back and a deep breath, and let the investigation unfold.”

The search warrant application says that detectives at the time did not know where the officer’s uniform was located and that they wanted his department-issued long-sleeve shirts, pants and black boots or shoes. The document says investigators think that Gray’s DNA might be found on the officer’s clothes.

Keith L. Alexander contributed to this report.

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sorry but the councilman got it wrong when he tried to compare that night to a Kentucky basketball game riot............typically nobody gets their lives threatened and/or ruined after a basketball game............yes maybe a few fires and cars overturned.........but not a life/death situation and the National Guard does not have to watch a city for 7 days after a basketball game (by the way, National Guard leaves on Sunday or at least that is what they told me today)

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OldFriends4Sale said:

free2bfreeda said:

Could Freddie Gray have severed his own spine in a Baltimore police van? It's highly unlikely

But the thing is he just had spinal surgery. So we aren't looking at a healthy undamaged spinal cord.

Anyway hopefully forensics will prove one way or another

if you recall, Mr Freddie Gray did not have any spinal surgery prior to his injuries by the police.

(the truth was already posted twice in: Reply #175 posted 04/30/15 5:14am and Reply #198 posted 04/30/15 8:11am and one of the post was yours)

with all due respect. rolleyes

The truth about Freddie Gray's 'pre-existing injury from car accident'

: http://www.baltimoresun.c...story.html

The Baltimore Sun

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Online reports are swirling that Freddie Gray had spinal surgery shortly before he died in police custody, and collected a payout in a settlement from a car accident. Those reports — which raise questions about the injury that led to his death in April 19 — point to Howard County court records as proof.

But court records examined Wednesday by The Baltimore Sun show the case had nothing to do with a car accident or a spine injury. Instead, they are connected to a lawsuit alleging that Gray and his sister were injured by exposure lead paint.

Paperwork was filed in December allowing Gray and his sister, Fredericka to each collect an $18,000 payment from Peachtree Settlement Funding, records show. In exchange, Peachtree would have received a $108,439 annuity that was scheduled to be paid in $602 monthly installments between 2024 and 2039.

In her documents, Fredericka Gray checked "other" when asked to describe the type of accident. She also said that the date of the accident was "94/99" and that she was a minor when the case was settled.

In his documents, Freddie Gray checked "work injury, medical malpractice and auto accident" as the type of accident. When asked to explain, he also wrote something that is unreadable. He also wrote something unreadable when asked if he was a minor when the case was settled.

Both cases were filed at the same time by a New Jersey law firm.

A judge dismissed the case on April 2 when neither Gray nor his sister appeared in court, records show.

also:

: http://www.washingtonpost...lly-bogus/

Those stories that Freddie Gray had a preexisting spinal injury are totally bogus

excerpt:

One thing is certain, however. Freddie Gray did not have a preexisting spinal injury.

eek

this is weird. seems like some of us here might be jumping over their own logic to prove a point.

i wonder what the point might be?

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Geraldo Rivera confronted by protesters about FOX NEWS coverage of Baltimore riots clapping

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Geraldo Rivera confronted by protesters about FOX NEWS coverage of Baltimore riots clapping



That was AWESOME. I don't know who that young man is but I sure hope he's a part of whatever happens going forward.

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SoulAlive said:

Geraldo Rivera confronted by protesters about FOX NEWS coverage of Baltimore riots clapping



That was AWESOME. I don't know who that young man is but I sure hope he's a part of whatever happens going forward.

Geraldo was right at the beginning when he said "you are not talking, you are screaming"...........because dude knew he was going to be on youtube..........low and behold... (then again, it does go back to my point that nobody gives a fuck about Baltimore, but unless people who live there start taking care of their own neighborhoods, nobody is going to care about ghetto cities like this for a long time to come)

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