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Glenn Beck Defends Book that Claims Whites were 'Victims' of Slavery

Just when you thought this bigot couldn't sink any lower. The 5000 Year Leap is nothing but a white-washing of American history. Not surprised it's so popular among the right.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/16/glenn-beck-defends-book-that-claims-whites-were-the-worst-victims-of-american-slavery/#.U8al4KssnKE.facebook

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Reply #1 posted 07/17/14 8:35am

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try to publish a book that says Nazis where the biggest victims of the Holocaust, which on the other hand was beneficial to Jews eek


Beck is such a laughable useless piece of scum lol

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Reply #2 posted 07/17/14 11:32am

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Conservative White America plays the victim card like nobody else.... to the point that a Human forced into slave labor, enduring whippings, rape and death is the oppressor.

Not even surprised by this.

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Reply #3 posted 07/17/14 11:36am

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Out-foxing fox-bots for almost 20 years on the org.
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Reply #4 posted 07/17/14 11:52am

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3 stooges.

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Reply #5 posted 07/17/14 12:21pm

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There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #6 posted 07/17/14 2:39pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.


Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites.

But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap.
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Reply #7 posted 07/17/14 6:43pm

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They were slaves over here before the Declaration of Independence was drafted and signed, but they were never victims of it. They gave us that honor.

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Reply #8 posted 07/18/14 1:34am

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2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.

so? off topic. Greece and Rome have nothing to do with the article form the 1st post or what Glenn or that book is talking about (gems like "slave owners were the worst victims of the system") this was about American history and American slavery. you clearly "pulled an Only" here, by not even reading what it was about razz


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Reply #9 posted 07/18/14 1:36am

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2elijah said:

Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap.


maybe if someone pooped in his mouth, it could be just as "benefical" as it was to slaves

I'd volunteer...


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Reply #10 posted 07/21/14 8:52am

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I'm not American so could be totally wrong here, but I thought they were indentured servants, not slaves. They would be in the service of their owner for a set period of time in some cases to pay off a debt; instead of going to prison in England or in exchange for their passage to America.

Although this might have been during a different period of time.

2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.

Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites. But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap. [Edited 7/17/14 14:53pm]

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Reply #11 posted 07/29/14 11:49pm

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.

Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites. But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap. [Edited 7/17/14 14:53pm]

Denial at its best/worst...

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Reply #12 posted 07/31/14 10:13am

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Conservative White America plays the victim card like nobody else.... to the point that a Human forced into slave labor, enduring whippings, rape and death is the oppressor.

Not even surprised by this.

Are sure that it's only the Conservatives playing that game?

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Reply #13 posted 07/31/14 10:20am

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Neophyte said:

I'm not American so could be totally wrong here, but I thought they were indentured servants, not slaves. They would be in the service of their owner for a set period of time in some cases to pay off a debt; instead of going to prison in England or in exchange for their passage to America.



Although this might have been during a different period of time.



2elijah said:


2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.



Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites. But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap. [Edited 7/17/14 14:53pm]


http://www.globalresearch...aves/31076
The Irish slave trade
“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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Reply #14 posted 07/31/14 10:27am

SeventeenDayze

free2bfreeda said:

Neophyte said:

I'm not American so could be totally wrong here, but I thought they were indentured servants, not slaves. They would be in the service of their owner for a set period of time in some cases to pay off a debt; instead of going to prison in England or in exchange for their passage to America.

Although this might have been during a different period of time.

http://www.globalresearch...aves/31076 The Irish slave trade

Thanks for the link.

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Reply #15 posted 07/31/14 10:47am

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http://books.google.com/b...OIEDCpxsQC

White Cargo is the forgotten story of the thousands of Britons who lived and died in bondage in Britain's American colonies.

In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. Urchins were swept up from London's streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide "breeders" for Virginia. Hopeful migrants were duped into signing as indentured servants, unaware they would become personal property who could be bought, sold, and even gambled away. Transported convicts were paraded for sale like livestock.

Drawing on letters crying for help, diaries, and court and government archives, Don Jordan and Michael Walsh demonstrate that the brutalities usually associated with black slavery alone were perpetrated on whites throughout British rule. The trade ended with American independence, but the British still tried to sell convicts in their former colonies, which prompted one of the most audacious plots in Anglo-American history.

This is a saga of exploration and cruelty spanning 170 years that has been submerged under the overwhelming memory of black slavery. White Cargo brings the brutal, uncomfortable story to the surface.

every group in history has at one time or another been enslaved. first by being conquered by wars, then by classicism, then by religion, and finally by race and color of skin.
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Reply #16 posted 07/31/14 10:53am

SeventeenDayze

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http://books.google.com/b...OIEDCpxsQC White Cargo is the forgotten story of the thousands of Britons who lived and died in bondage in Britain's American colonies. In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, more than 300,000 white people were shipped to America as slaves. Urchins were swept up from London's streets to labor in the tobacco fields, where life expectancy was no more than two years. Brothels were raided to provide "breeders" for Virginia. Hopeful migrants were duped into signing as indentured servants, unaware they would become personal property who could be bought, sold, and even gambled away. Transported convicts were paraded for sale like livestock. Drawing on letters crying for help, diaries, and court and government archives, Don Jordan and Michael Walsh demonstrate that the brutalities usually associated with black slavery alone were perpetrated on whites throughout British rule. The trade ended with American independence, but the British still tried to sell convicts in their former colonies, which prompted one of the most audacious plots in Anglo-American history. This is a saga of exploration and cruelty spanning 170 years that has been submerged under the overwhelming memory of black slavery. White Cargo brings the brutal, uncomfortable story to the surface. [i] every group in history has at one time or another been enslaved. first by being conquered by wars, then by classicism, then by religion, and finally by race and color of skin. [i]

Its these types of anecdotes that are used by many people in an attempt to diminish/erase the atrocities of slavery that brought about 80-100 million Africans to this land and throughout the Americas. I would be interested in learning more about this specific situation of 170 years of oppression that you mentioned but I hope you're not suggesting that this affected and still affects th descendants of these slaves. People appear to be upset with Glenn Beck because he willfully ignores the fact that if it weren't for about 400 years of free labor by the majority of slaves, who were black/African, the enormous wealth amassed in the US would have never, even happened.

The two scenarios aren't on the same level at all.

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Reply #17 posted 07/31/14 11:13am

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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

There were white slaves--in ancient Greece and Rome.


Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites.

But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap.
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I added other historical sources about enslaved whites to prove a point. however the issue with African enslavement was harsher in that Africans could not escape their plight because of skin color. whereas enslaved whites could escape their enslavement because they could blend in color-wise and hide among the oppressors more easily.
“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
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Reply #18 posted 07/31/14 11:15am

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free2bfreeda said:

2elijah said:
Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites. But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap. [Edited 7/17/14 14:53pm]
I added other historical sources about enslaved whites to prove a point. however the issue with African enslavement was harsher in that Africans could not escape their plight because of skin color. whereas enslaved whites could escape their enslavement because they could blend in color-wise and hide among the oppressors more easily.

Oh ok, I figured that's why you posted that smile Other people will twist it to mean something else, but I understand where you're coming from on this smile

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Reply #19 posted 07/31/14 11:34am

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free2bfreeda said:


2elijah said:
Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites. But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap. [Edited 7/17/14 14:53pm]

I added other historical sources about enslaved whites to prove a point. however the issue with African enslavement was harsher in that Africans could not escape their plight because of skin color. whereas enslaved whites could escape their enslavement because they could blend in color-wise and hide among the oppressors more easily.

Oh ok, I figured that's why you posted that smile Other people will twist it to mean something else, but I understand where you're coming from on this smile


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Reply #20 posted 07/31/14 11:46am

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free2bfreeda said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Oh ok, I figured that's why you posted that smile Other people will twist it to mean something else, but I understand where you're coming from on this smile

eek and?

And what? You want fries with that? lol

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Reply #21 posted 07/31/14 11:59am

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free2bfreeda said:


SeventeenDayze said:


Oh ok, I figured that's why you posted that smile Other people will twist it to mean something else, but I understand where you're coming from on this smile



eek and?

And what? You want fries with that? lol


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Reply #22 posted 07/31/14 12:22pm

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free2bfreeda said:

2elijah said:


Many groups endured slavery during ancient, post-ancient history, and yes there were Irish slaves in America, enslaved by White slaveowners, but once many Irish men became bounty hunters to catch runaway black slaves, they were no different than white slaveowners, treating black slaves the same way. Many Irish men did this to get in good, to gain the trust of other whites in order to become accepted as equal to other Whites. Eventually that tactic worked, and the Irish soon became accepted as equals to other whites.

But I see Glenn as using this to downplay America's slaveowning history and abuses against enslaved Africans, and descendants of African slaves. He, like many others, love putting the blame on someone else because he can't face the truth of the crimes committed by former slaveowners, and how they profitted from owning slaves. Beck is a pathetic, whiny, racist piece of crap.
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I added other historical sources about enslaved whites to prove a point. however the issue with African enslavement was harsher in that Africans could not escape their plight because of skin color. whereas enslaved whites could escape their enslavement because they could blend in color-wise and hide among the oppressors more easily.

Agree.. smile
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Reply #23 posted 07/31/14 12:35pm

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We also have to keep in mind that even when blacks/slaves were fighting for freedom for this nation, almost always categorically denied the fruits of their bravery. This didn't end in 1865. It was widely known that in World War II that when there were entertainment events, etc. that the US soldiers hosted, the Germans who were captured were allowed to sit with the white US soliders and the black US soliders STILL had to sit behind the damn Germans! So, with that said, we can safely assume that the white slaves did not suffer the horrendous ass-whoopins that their black counterparts (that outnumbered them 30:1) had to deal with. A lot of people villfy Glen Beck and try to isolate this sort of stupidity to just the ubiquitous far-right but make no mistake about it, most folks who experience some sort of privilege will only object to this madness on a superficial level. Most people don't complain when they benefit from something either directly or indirectly. That's the whole game that's being placed. Denial, censorship and victim-shaming are used by those that identify as conservatives, moderates and liberals.

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Reply #24 posted 08/01/14 8:15pm

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*this just in*

Glenn is probably a racist moron.

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