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Thread started 03/21/14 1:16pm

free0001

Why Do You Eat Meat?

Hello all!

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Below is a very informative, (non-fiction) video presentation on a subject that many of us take for granted: eating the flesh of land and water animals (commonly known as "eating meat")

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Have you recently or ever thought about the implications of eating meat? The effects on your physical and mental health and the effect and implications of the Animal slaughter industry? Or is eating meat a cultural or other tradition or habit that you really haven't given much thought?

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This video was embedded within another of my threads, but I felt that it would make for a good primary post, on it's own. The presenter really grabs ahold of the audience and never lets go!

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Comments are welcomed.

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Reply #1 posted 03/22/14 8:08am

BobGeorge909

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Cuz it taste GREAT. Its a decent and easy source of protein which my Gastroenteroligist recommends to me because of how crohns disease minimmizes the levels of nutrition I get out of the foods i eat. He also suggest I supplement with Ensure or Boost which I typically don't. He, among other Castro docs I've encountered, advise me a vegetarian diet heavy in PB, tofu and beans don't have enough of what I need and some veggie sources of protein are difficult for me to process and much of the little nutrition is lost, along with it aggrivating and worsening my symptoms.


Regardless...I would still eat meat and not go veggie if I DIDNT have crohns disease cuz meat taste fuckin GOOD.

humans r omnivores and meat in moderation is a healthy part of a humann diet.
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Reply #2 posted 03/22/14 8:25am

BobGeorge909

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Secondly...the whole vid starts with bullshit...i assume it continues.


Thou shall not kill.


I figure he thinks plants aren't alive when we kill them to eat them.

When I eat a strawberry and shit it down the toilet...those straynerry seeds aren't going ANYWHER that a strawberry plant will grow and thrive.

Sugar cane and sugar beets r alive when we kill them to sweeten up our grapefruit

Trees r alive when we kill them just to stay warm or make furniture.


Unless this guy wants to take his shits outside in order to seed and fertilize his garden...he's as guilty as any meat eater of murdering and abusing life
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Reply #3 posted 03/22/14 8:56am

OnlyNDaUsa

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that video is bull corn! it is about wanting to BAN eating meat. I do not even need to watch it to k know it. There is the movie called "Food Inc" which is the same thing. Then want to ban it. they want to take that option away from you. I say to them if you do not want to eat meat. if you think meat is not safe the DO NOT EAT IT! Make your silly videos and fear-monger all you like... but leave me alone!

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Reply #4 posted 03/22/14 8:59am

OnlyNDaUsa

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he gets off to a bad start. for one he just wrong... "others" means other people. And "Kill" is a translation issue for murder. He also compares owning animals to Human slavery?


Are not plants alive? Are they not OTHERS?


He compares killing pigs to jews? he has some issues with reality...

Plants have awareness they have sex too... he needs to take a biology class.


the more he talks the worst it getting...All discrimination is the same? and again he says slavery and murder is the same animal or human?

[Edited 3/22/14 9:09am]

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Reply #5 posted 03/22/14 9:14am

OnlyNDaUsa

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think it he is Pro-life? hummm....

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Reply #6 posted 03/22/14 9:15am

OnlyNDaUsa

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he is comparing the this to the Holocaust? antisemitic much?

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Reply #7 posted 03/22/14 9:45am

uPtoWnNY

BobGeorge stole my thunder. And to be honest, I don't give a fuck how the animals are killed, long as my belly's full.

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Reply #8 posted 03/22/14 9:47am

OnlyNDaUsa

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half way through and I am amazed how accurate my first post was... that this guy want to ban meat! He thinks HIS personal opinion should be forces on all the people of the world.

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Reply #9 posted 03/22/14 9:49am

OnlyNDaUsa

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uPtoWnNY said:

BobGeorge stole my thunder. And to be honest, I don't give a fuck how the animals are killed, long as my belly's full.

i am fine with his giving his opinion as wrong as it is on many many points... but his goal is a global ban. he is just so dishonest he can not admit it.

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Reply #10 posted 03/22/14 10:19am

OnlyNDaUsa

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I did like the bee vomit, chicken period, and ass bread... funny. weird? maybe. but I am not trying to force it one anyone to eat it as this guy wants to FORCE me to just eat plants.

he can not be taken seriously at all. here is why!

According to his argument: if an lion was killing and eating people and kids and babies... he would not and could not do anything to stop it. because to him a lion eating a human baby is NO DIFFERENT than eating a baby zebra. and he said that! He said killing an animal is the same as killing a human.

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Reply #11 posted 03/22/14 10:24am

OnlyNDaUsa

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he admits being a felon.

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Reply #12 posted 03/22/14 10:34am

OnlyNDaUsa

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in the Q&A he contradicts himself. he says that it is okay to kill a bear that attacking someone. So is it okay to kill a bear that is eating another animal?

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Reply #13 posted 03/22/14 11:38am

2freaky4church
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Hitler was vegan.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #14 posted 03/22/14 2:03pm

KoolEaze

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2freaky4church1 said:

Hitler was vegan.

No, he wasn´t.

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Reply #15 posted 03/22/14 6:04pm

duccichucka

Why should we not treat animals as "other"? Why place a premium on human sentiency alone?

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Reply #16 posted 03/22/14 7:34pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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duccichucka said:

Why should we not treat animals as "other"? Why place a premium on human sentiency alone?

Because they are not equal. If you think they are then if a dog was attacking a baby would would just say "oh well they are equal." Now he claims self defence is a valid reason to kill--like of a bear is attacking someone. So would he defend a zebra against a lion? If they are equal then why not?


or if a shark was eating swimmers? Sharks got to eat...so a seal, or a tuna, or little Alex Kintner what diffrence does it make?

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Reply #17 posted 03/22/14 11:54pm

BobGeorge909

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It bothers me when someone starts a topic and then never joins the conversation....


....like....why?....
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Reply #18 posted 03/23/14 7:50am

duccichucka

OnlyNDaUsa said:

duccichucka said:

Why should we not treat animals as "other"? Why place a premium on human sentiency alone?

Because they are not equal. If you think they are then if a dog was attacking a baby would would just say "oh well they are equal." Now he claims self defence is a valid reason to kill--like of a bear is attacking someone. So would he defend a zebra against a lion? If they are equal then why not?


or if a shark was eating swimmers? Sharks got to eat...so a seal, or a tuna, or little Alex Kintner what diffrence does it make?


What criterion are you using to base the opinion that animals are not equal to humans? What

informs your claim here?

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Reply #19 posted 03/23/14 8:33am

OnlyNDaUsa

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duccichucka said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Because they are not equal. If you think they are then if a dog was attacking a baby would would just say "oh well they are equal." Now he claims self defence is a valid reason to kill--like of a bear is attacking someone. So would he defend a zebra against a lion? If they are equal then why not?


or if a shark was eating swimmers? Sharks got to eat...so a seal, or a tuna, or little Alex Kintner what diffrence does it make?


What criterion are you using to base the opinion that animals are not equal to humans? What

informs your claim here?

you agree with me. Like i asked: if you saw a cat attacking a mouse would you intervene?

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Reply #20 posted 03/23/14 9:33am

duccichucka

OnlyNDaUsa said:

duccichucka said:


What criterion are you using to base the opinion that animals are not equal to humans? What

informs your claim here?

you agree with me. Like i asked: if you saw a cat attacking a mouse would you intervene?


I don't agree with you and please answer my question: what criterion are you using to base the

opinion that animals are not equal to humans. Your question has no bearing on the claim you've

made that animals are not equal to humans.

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Reply #21 posted 03/23/14 9:54am

OnlyNDaUsa

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duccichucka said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you agree with me. Like i asked: if you saw a cat attacking a mouse would you intervene?


I don't agree with you and please answer my question: what criterion are you using to base the

opinion that animals are not equal to humans. Your question has no bearing on the claim you've

made that animals are not equal to humans.

The criterion: is i can see.

sure it does. if you would try to save a person from an animal but not some other animal then you put people over animals

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Reply #22 posted 03/23/14 10:17am

duccichucka

OnlyNDaUsa said:

duccichucka said:


I don't agree with you and please answer my question: what criterion are you using to base the

opinion that animals are not equal to humans. Your question has no bearing on the claim you've

made that animals are not equal to humans.

The criterion: is i can see.

sure it does. if you would try to save a person from an animal but not some other animal then you put people over animals


You can "see" what, though? What is it that you see in humans that suggests non-human

creatures are to be considered not as valuable as their human counter-parts? Or, what is

it that you see in non-human creatures that renders them as unequal to human creatures?


What is the difference between your caring for a human creature and the female buffalo's

desire to protect her calf from the hyenas in the video below?

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Reply #23 posted 03/23/14 10:18am

duccichucka

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Reply #24 posted 03/23/14 10:29am

OnlyNDaUsa

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she values one being over another. What is HER Criterion for putting her baby over the hyena?

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Reply #25 posted 03/23/14 11:00am

duccichucka

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she values one being over another. What is HER Criterion for putting her baby over the hyena?


You are obfuscating because I don't think you have much of a criterion, Only. You seem to be

struggling to describe what it is that you "see" that grounds your belief that animals are unequal

to humans. No shame in that stance; some could say the same about my faith in God. But that

is another matter altogether. I just want you to see that your opinion on this matter isn't terribly

convincing. You seemed to base your opinion that animals are not equal to humans because

a human would only intervene in the killing of another human if an animal was doing the killing;

but I showed you a video where a mother buffalo does the very same thing: protecting her own

against another animal, displaying, ostensibly, the same urges that humans express when

choosing to stop a dog from eating a human baby. So I'll ask you again: why place a premium

on human sentiency? What makes human life more precious than animal life? Why shouldn't

we treat animals as "others?" The fact that we have the ability to shepherd and domesticate

animals does not automatically make us their superior in any sense.

As for the mother buffalo, she is not the one implicitly claiming that her species is intrinsically

of more value than humans; or that humans are unequal to animals. So, I don't care what

her reasons (maternal instinct, perhaps?) are for protecting her calf from being eaten by

hyenas, and why her herd came to her eventual aid. Using your logic, you could not argue

against a human omnivore including human flesh in her diet!

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Reply #26 posted 03/23/14 11:18am

free0001

OnlyNDaUsa said:

duccichucka said:

Why should we not treat animals as "other"? Why place a premium on human sentiency alone?

Because they are not equal. If you think they are then if a dog was attacking a baby would would just say "oh well they are equal." Now he claims self defence is a valid reason to kill--like of a bear is attacking someone. So would he defend a zebra against a lion? If they are equal then why not?


or if a shark was eating swimmers? Sharks got to eat...so a seal, or a tuna, or little Alex Kintner what diffrence does it make?

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All life is equal unless and until you can demonstrate otherwise.

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How we choose to VALUE LIFE is another story. In your scenarios, most humans (including myself) would assist another human who was being 'attacked' by any non-human animal.

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Stated plainly, we place our species (humans) over other species as a value judgement. As Ducci's video plainly demonstrates, the mother buffalo values the life of her offspring on a comparable basis as humans value other humans. Just because a buffalo does not possess the ability to verbally communicate in human languages the emotions of sorrow, anger, fear, attachment and other qualities typically thought as reserved for humans does not mean that these qualities do not exist within their species as well. Matter of fact, the mother buffalo expressed several of these emotions physically.

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Also, did you see the herd of buffalo "come to the rescue" at the end of the video?

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Humanity does not have the market cornered on depth of feeling as other animal species have demonstrated depth across the full emotional spectrum. Prove me wrong and I will adjust my thinking to align with the truth, but until then, I stand by my statements as demonstrable 'truth'.

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Reply #27 posted 03/23/14 11:33am

OnlyNDaUsa

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if all life is equal then there is no difference between eating a cow or a carrot.

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Reply #28 posted 03/23/14 11:41am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Again based on the argument that you (and this Gary fella too) made that you would kill an animal to save a human but not another animal against that same attacking animal proves none of you really value animals as equals.


I think what it really is: is just you do not believe there is that much difference and that animals should be in general treated better. But this guy Gary: he advocates what he said is slavery! Did you notice that? To him it is okay to own another human as long as you treat it well. That is IF he sees humans and animals as the same.

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Reply #29 posted 03/23/14 11:43am

free0001

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if all life is equal then there is no difference between eating a cow or a carrot.

Good observation. But can you demonstrate the sentience of a carrot? Do carrots have any history of 'attacking' any known animal, regardless of species?

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Do carrots have the capacity to make judgments and act upon them, like you, I, cows, bears and lions?

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