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Thread started 03/16/14 9:12am

SUPRMAN

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Malaysian plane mystery

Ok, it's been eight days. Still no idea if the plane crashed, or landed. If it landed, how do you hide that? It's a Boeing 777. If it crashed the black box would have begun transmitting its location.

If it were a terror act, why would you not expect the plane to be found? There is a focus on the cockpit crew. Someone selectively disabled the plane's electronics. That required knowledge. Speculation this morning that if someone wanted a plane as a delivery vehicle or for a 9/11 style attack, they may have one.

So, what do you guys think?

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Reply #1 posted 03/16/14 12:26pm

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There's already a thread on this but...

Yes, it's bloody bizarre.

If it has landed somewhere where would you hide that? That would suggest to me a long unused runway in a remote, perhaps dessert, area. Tye potential direction of flight takes the plane to two such areas, Australia (that would seem odd) or perhaps One of the "stans". There would be large areas with potential groups who may provide support in remote areas for such a plan. Maybe a few nomadic people saw something they thought odd but would unlikely report it?

IF that has happened, why? Is is the plane they want or the passengers. If the latter, why no mention of it? Well the fact that it's such a mystery has made it a bigger story. Everyone is talking about it and it's keeping the story alive so if they do come forward that've added much more PR value and built more tension. In a cynical world, most people would have stopped talking about it by now and it would have moved way down the headline list if it all came out on day one.

That is all total speculation based on no evidence of course.

So maybe it crashed? You have to be within 16kms of the black box to pick up its signal and we don't even know where to narrow the search to within a 100 thousand square miles. The battery lasts 30 days so it'll likely never be found.
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Reply #2 posted 03/16/14 5:39pm

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If the pilots did hijack the plane, then it seems things didn't go as planned. We would have heard something by now.

To land this plane and not be noticed would require help of another government. unlikely.
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Reply #3 posted 03/16/14 6:29pm

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maybe this has been addressed and I dont know ... but ... if it was hijacked - by the pilot etc wouldnt someone on the plane have a cell phone to send a message or call ???

so it had to go down ... at some point .

Even if it flew in another direction for a bit ... wasnt there any chatter ?

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Reply #4 posted 03/16/14 11:05pm

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ColAngus said:

maybe this has been addressed and I dont know ... but ... if it was hijacked - by the pilot etc wouldnt someone on the plane have a cell phone to send a message or call ???



so it had to go down ... at some point .



Even if it flew in another direction for a bit ... wasnt there any chatter ?



Depends where they land. A remote area, required for an undetected landing, would also be off the cellphone grid. There's no cell coverage at 39,000 ft and the in seat phones can ,I assume, be disabled by the captain.

I see 3 outcomes. The plane is...

A) landed safely in a remote area of Afgahanistan (or similar) with help from a group such as the taleban.

B) crashed in the ocean

C) crashed in a remote mountainous region.


If A).

A) we hear something in the next week or so in regards to demands and the passengers are alive.

B) the plane resurfaces one day in a 9/11 style attack. Passengers fate, unknown!

All I know for sure though is this. The poor families of the passengers must be going through a kind of hell very few of us can even imagine. sad
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Reply #5 posted 03/17/14 10:45am

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We live on a big freakin' planet. We aren't as technologically advanced as the average person thinks, meaning things aren't keep track of as much as people are lead to believe. Somebody(s) seriously screwed up and are doing whatever necessary to cover their butts. Would love to believe they landed in some remote area and it's just taking a while to find them. Believe the odds they went very far off course and crashed in a very large ocean, which means most people wouldn't have been thinking about using their cellphones. Keeping an open mind about the terrorist angle, it's possible, seems a little much, but one never knows.

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Reply #6 posted 03/17/14 12:03pm

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As to why it hasn't been found, it seems plausible enough to me that that's just down to the fact that there's a vast expanse of ocean, and those searching weren't even looking in the right bit of it to begin with. I just don't see a scenario in which they've landed somewhere being a realistic possibility, sadly. Feels like one of those 'miracle' myths that emerges in the aftermath of a tragedy. Seems more likely that, possibly due to terrorism or some other as-yet-unknown reason, it's crashed into the ocean; in which case, who knows if they'll ever find anything, as debris may have sunk or been dispersed by now. Hopefully, they can get within range of the black box in time, so families can at least have some answers.

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Reply #7 posted 03/17/14 1:56pm

V10LETBLUES

Here is one for you conspiracy theorists....

By 2001 the US was prepared to eliminate it's debt and in turn start running budget surpluses. And in turn further advancing it's superpower status beyond reproach.

In the meantime, every other other nation, including our previous supposed adversary, the USSR was in ruins...thanks in small part to our friend and freedom fighter friend and concoction Osama Bin laden.

Free of debt, flush with cash and a military industrial complex with no more boogie man to dangle in front of politician's pockets.

So in a curious twist of fate and karma, the former Soviet Union and other "interested parties" rub shoulders...and next thing you know...freedom fighters "turn" terrorist with a little help from common interests.

So the same tactic so perfectly used on the Soviets in Afghanistan, was in turn perfectly used on the US to level the playing field and prevent the US from becoming a the only true superpower left.

And with the US weakened, war weary and still licking their wounds, Russian eyes turn back to their back yard, the Ukraine and rebuilding their empire...

One final jetliner carrying a special payload was going to be the final cherry on top..

discuss... lol
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Reply #8 posted 03/17/14 3:50pm

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I still think that plane crashed and is at the bottom of the ocean... this hijacking theory still smells like BULLSHIT to me.

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Reply #9 posted 03/17/14 9:27pm

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I still think that plane crashed and is at the bottom of the ocean... this hijacking theory still smells like BULLSHIT to me.

Whoever selectively disabled the electonics, knew how to fly the plane. What happened in the cockpit is what we need to find out.

If the plan were to simply destroy the plane, why bother with the electronics? Simply fly it into the ocean as the Egyptian Air pilot did?

Why turn the plane?

Doesn't suggest a crash. No radio call regarding any problems or emergencies. No attempt to ditch near land.

So the idea that it landed intact is still possible.

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Reply #10 posted 03/17/14 9:58pm

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Relatives of passengers who were traveling on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 watched a news conference at a hotel in Beijing on Monday. CreditFeng Li/Getty Images

SEPANG, Malaysia — When hijackers took control of four airplanes on Sept. 11, 2001, and sent them hurtling low across the countryside toward New York and Washington, frantic passengers and flight attendants turned on cellphones and air phones and began making calls to loved ones, airline managers and the authorities.

But when Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 did a wide U-turn in the middle of the night over the Gulf of Thailand and then spent nearly half an hour swooping over two large Malaysian cities and various towns and villages, there was apparently silence. As far as investigators have been able to determine, there have been no phone calls, Twitter or Weibo postings, Instagram photos or any other communication from anyone aboard the aircraft since it was diverted.

The apparent absence of any word from the aircraft in an era of nearly ubiquitous mobile communications has prompted considerable debate among pilots, telecommunications specialists and others. Most of the people aboard the plane were from Malaysia or China, two countries where mobile phone use is extremely prevalent, especially among affluent citizens who take international flights.

Some theorize the silence signifies that the plane was flying too high for personal electronic devices to be used. Others wonder whether people aboard the flight even tried to make calls or send messages.

According to military radar, the aircraft was flying extremely high shortly after its turn — as much as 45,000 feet, above the certified maximum altitude of 43,100 feet for the Boeing 777-200. It then descended as it crossed Peninsular Malaysia, flying as low as 23,000 feet before moving up to 29,500 feet and cruising there.

Vincent Lau, an electronics professor specializing in wireless communications atHong Kong University of S...Technology, said that the altitude might have prevented passengers’ cellphones from connecting to base stations on the ground even if the phones were turned on during the flight or had been left on since departure.

The hijacked planes on Sept. 11 were flying very low toward urban targets when passengers and flight attendants made calls from those aircraft, he said.

Base station signals spread out considerably over distance. So cellphones in a plane a few miles up, like Flight 370, would receive little if any signal, he said.

Base station design has improved since the Sept. 11 attacks to provide better, more focused coverage of specific areas on the ground. But that also means somewhat less signal intensity is wasted in directions where callers are unlikely to be located, such as directly overhead, Mr. Lau added.

Lam Wong-hing, a wireless communications specialist at the University of Hong Kong, said that cellphones transmit at one watt or less, while base stations typically transmit at 20 watts and sometimes much more. So even if a cellphone showed that it was receiving a signal while aloft, it might not be able to transmit a signal that was strong enough to make a connection, he said.

The metal in an aircraft reduces cellphone signals somewhat. If a passenger had pressed a cellphone against a plastic window with a line of sight to a cellphone tower then it is possible a connection might have been made even at a fairly high altitude, because plastic barely blocks a cellphone signal at all, Dr. Lam said.

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Estimated range of plane with its remaining fuel if it was flying at the plane’s maximum speed:

KAZAKHSTAN

MONGOLIA

UZBEK.

KYRG.

TAJIK.

60 min. of fuel

20 min.

AFGHAN.

Approx. area within the top and bottom 20-min. ranges:

2 million square miles

PAKISTAN

CHINA

NEPAL

BANGLADESH

INDIA

MYANMAR

LAOS

Approx. time
after takeoff

THAILAND

VIETNAM

+40 min. Last contact with civilian radar.

First week

search area

MALAYSIA

Kuala Lumpur airport

+1 hour 34 min. Last contact with military radar.

INDONESIA

Position of satellite that received last known signal

from plane.

+7.5 hours Red arcs represent possible positions of plane when it transmitted last signal to satellite.

INDIAN OCEAN

Plane may have flown up to another hour after its last satellite transmission.

AUSTRALIA

Many aircraft carry air phones using radio or satellite technology, and the Malaysia Airlines jet was equipped with them in business class. The plane continued to send satellite pings for nearly seven hours after it was apparently diverted.

But air phones these days tend to be part of an aircraft’s in-flight entertainment system. If someone deliberately diverted a plane and turned off its transponder and other communications equipment, that person is likely to have disabled the in-flight entertainment system so that passengers could not figure out from the map that they were flying in the wrong direction, said a telecommunications expert who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the news media.

If the entertainment system was turned off, the air phones also would not work, the expert said.

The Chinese news media have reported that there have been some instances of people calling cellphones of passengers of the missing flight and hearing ring tones, sometimes days after the plane disappeared. Telecom experts have dismissed that as evidence that the cellphones are still in use, saying that a ring tone may be heard while the international phone system is searching for a phone and trying to connect a call.

There have been no reports of anyone answering calls to the cellphones of passengers or flight attendants aboard the plane.

Investigators do not know if anyone aboard the plane even tried to make a call. Passengers would have quickly become unconscious if the plane depressurized as it soared to an unusually high altitude right after the turnaround, pilots said. Whoever diverted the plane could have disabled the release of oxygen masks.

Dr. James Ho, an associate professor of medicine at Hong Kong University, said that death could come within minutes if someone were the equivalent of outdoors at 45,000 feet. But without information on the speed of depressurization, it is hard to predict the medical consequences, he said.

A table used by pilots for “time of useful consciousness” without an oxygen supplement at various altitudes shows only nine to 15 seconds at 45,000 feet, compared with five to 10 minutes at 22,000 feet.

Mobile phone service is widely available in sizable areas of western China and eastern Kazakhstan, raising the question of why nobody from the plane has tried to make a call if it did fly north and land safely, instead of flying out into the Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel.

If the flight did land safely with the passengers and flight crew still healthy, whoever was in charge of the aircraft would also face a formidable task in any attempt to provide food, water and shelter for more than 200 people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/questions-over-absence-of-cellphone-calls-from-missing-passengers.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0

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Reply #11 posted 03/17/14 11:30pm

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This is really creepy.
I hope we find out what happened soon.
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Reply #12 posted 03/18/14 10:59am

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Ask Courtney Love. Go to www.rollingstone.com/music lol
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Reply #13 posted 03/18/14 11:30am

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This whole mystery reminds me of LOST....

hmmm

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Reply #14 posted 03/18/14 12:08pm

V10LETBLUES

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This is really creepy. I hope we find out what happened soon.

Indeed, so many innocent lives involved, such a high profile subject, international intrigue,...so far this is a mystery of epic proportions.

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Reply #15 posted 03/20/14 8:09am

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Maybe the aliens got them? hmmm
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Reply #16 posted 03/20/14 4:50pm

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Ex-pilot uses Occam's razor:
http://www.wired.com/auto...ical-fire/

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Reply #17 posted 03/20/14 5:32pm

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deebee said:

Ex-pilot uses Occam's razor:
http://www.wired.com/auto...ical-fire/

That seems to be the best suggestion that lines up with what we already know and doesn't bring up more questions than it answers. It seems to be the most plausible explanation but I woudn't go as far as to say they should stop invetsigating alternatives.

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Reply #18 posted 03/21/14 6:03am

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lust said:

deebee said:

Ex-pilot uses Occam's razor:
http://www.wired.com/auto...ical-fire/

That seems to be the best suggestion that lines up with what we already know and doesn't bring up more questions than it answers. It seems to be the most plausible explanation but I woudn't go as far as to say they should stop invetsigating alternatives.

I don't think the article's suggesting adopting a single hypothesis to the exclusion of everything else. As I read it, it's simply laying out a likely scenario based on the evidence we have available so far and a pilot's perceptions, and saying that some of the more feverish speculation is as yet unnecessary, based on what's available to us. My general position would simply be that they should investigate whatever scenarios available evidence points towards - and, as far as I can see, that's what they've been doing.

The blathering on the news channels and the fanciful theories from the furtive imaginations of former Lost viewers on the internet is all quite separate from the actual investigation (thankfully!), so I don't really imagine much of that adds up to serious alternative explanations in the real world. As far as I can see, those actually involved in the search seem to be looking for wreckage in a large ocean, rather than anything Lost-like; and I would suppose that they're developing and adjusting their hypotheses on causes as they go along, based on evidence they find (despite being somewhat 'unstudied' in their engagement with the press pack).

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Reply #19 posted 03/21/14 1:00pm

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deebee said:



lust said:




deebee said:


Ex-pilot uses Occam's razor:
http://www.wired.com/auto...ical-fire/





That seems to be the best suggestion that lines up with what we already know and doesn't bring up more questions than it answers. It seems to be the most plausible explanation but I woudn't go as far as to say they should stop invetsigating alternatives.





I don't think the article's suggesting adopting a single hypothesis to the exclusion of everything else. As I read it, it's simply laying out a likely scenario based on the evidence we have available so far and a pilot's perceptions, and saying that some of the more feverish speculation is as yet unnecessary, based on what's available to us. My general position would simply be that they should investigate whatever scenarios available evidence points towards - and, as far as I can see, that's what they've been doing.

The blathering on the news channels and the fanciful theories from the furtive imaginations of former Lost viewers on the internet is all quite separate from the actual investigation (thankfully!), so I don't really imagine much of that adds up to serious alternative explanations in the real world. As far as I can see, those actually involved in the search seem to be looking for wreckage in a large ocean, rather than anything Lost-like; and I would suppose that they're developing and adjusting their hypotheses on causes as they go along, based on evidence they find (despite being somewhat 'unstudied' in their engagement with the press pack).

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I agree 100%. The only small issue I had with the long and very credible article was one comment where he said something akin to "looking elsewhere is a waste of time". Occam's razor is useful in defining the most likely scenario. And most resources should be applied accordingly but it doesn't define the only possible scenario. This guy has taken a sceptical scientific approach to the question which is correct but then he's abandoned that approach buy being too sure of his own hypothesis.

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As far as any theories that are based on Lost, well that's rediculous and no one but fantasists take that seriously.
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Reply #20 posted 03/23/14 12:39pm

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lust said:

deebee said:

I don't think the article's suggesting adopting a single hypothesis to the exclusion of everything else. As I read it, it's simply laying out a likely scenario based on the evidence we have available so far and a pilot's perceptions, and saying that some of the more feverish speculation is as yet unnecessary, based on what's available to us. My general position would simply be that they should investigate whatever scenarios available evidence points towards - and, as far as I can see, that's what they've been doing.

The blathering on the news channels and the fanciful theories from the furtive imaginations of former Lost viewers on the internet is all quite separate from the actual investigation (thankfully!), so I don't really imagine much of that adds up to serious alternative explanations in the real world. As far as I can see, those actually involved in the search seem to be looking for wreckage in a large ocean, rather than anything Lost-like; and I would suppose that they're developing and adjusting their hypotheses on causes as they go along, based on evidence they find (despite being somewhat 'unstudied' in their engagement with the press pack).

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I agree 100%. The only small issue I had with the long and very credible article was one comment where he said something akin to "looking elsewhere is a waste of time". Occam's razor is useful in defining the most likely scenario. And most resources should be applied accordingly but it doesn't define the only possible scenario. This guy has taken a sceptical scientific approach to the question which is correct but then he's abandoned that approach buy being too sure of his own hypothesis. . As far as any theories that are based on Lost, well that's rediculous and no one but fantasists take that seriously.

Bah! It's the internet: everyone overstates their case! lol But, yes, it's a good point. I can understand his frustration, if it's seems to him that he understands a dimension of the case that's not being covered, and that other explanations seem to mystify and distort things; but it's true that probably the most we can say is that it's unhelpful to give undue weight to narratives of events that don't have a sound, evidential basis.

P.S. My 'Lost' point was me being a bit facetious about any of these 'maybe it landed somewhere' scenarios. I just don't buy most of that. I think it'll be wreckage in the ocean that turns up, if anything at all.

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Reply #21 posted 03/23/14 4:48pm

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deebee said:



lust said:


deebee said:


I don't think the article's suggesting adopting a single hypothesis to the exclusion of everything else. As I read it, it's simply laying out a likely scenario based on the evidence we have available so far and a pilot's perceptions, and saying that some of the more feverish speculation is as yet unnecessary, based on what's available to us. My general position would simply be that they should investigate whatever scenarios available evidence points towards - and, as far as I can see, that's what they've been doing.

The blathering on the news channels and the fanciful theories from the furtive imaginations of former Lost viewers on the internet is all quite separate from the actual investigation (thankfully!), so I don't really imagine much of that adds up to serious alternative explanations in the real world. As far as I can see, those actually involved in the search seem to be looking for wreckage in a large ocean, rather than anything Lost-like; and I would suppose that they're developing and adjusting their hypotheses on causes as they go along, based on evidence they find (despite being somewhat 'unstudied' in their engagement with the press pack).


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I agree 100%. The only small issue I had with the long and very credible article was one comment where he said something akin to "looking elsewhere is a waste of time". Occam's razor is useful in defining the most likely scenario. And most resources should be applied accordingly but it doesn't define the only possible scenario. This guy has taken a sceptical scientific approach to the question which is correct but then he's abandoned that approach buy being too sure of his own hypothesis. . As far as any theories that are based on Lost, well that's rediculous and no one but fantasists take that seriously.

Bah! It's the internet: everyone overstates their case! lol But, yes, it's a good point. I can understand his frustration, if it's seems to him that he understands a dimension of the case that's not being covered, and that other explanations seem to mystify and distort things; but it's true that probably the most we can say is that it's unhelpful to give undue weight to narratives of events that don't have a sound, evidential basis.

P.S. My 'Lost' point was me being a bit facetious about any of these 'maybe it landed somewhere' scenarios. I just don't buy most of that. I think it'll be wreckage in the ocean that turns up, if anything at all.




Good call. I have actually heard theories such as Lost, Bermuda Triangle type spot and even Black holes bandied about and that shit ain't helpful. Unless you're blogging for David Icke!
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It doesn't seem like a crash or a catastrophe. They'd have had an SOS call, surely? And we'd have found debris?

The plane averted it's course, and 25 countries searching have found no evidence in any waters, no oil spills, no floating debris, nada.

I believe it was hijacked and it might be hiding out in Tajikistan or somewhere in that region. If you look at that part of the world, how much do we really know about countries like Tajikistan, Krygryzstan, Uzbekistan? I'd wager that a lot of people in the world have never even heard of these countries.

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Reply #23 posted 03/24/14 10:09am

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It doesn't seem like a crash or a catastrophe. They'd have had an SOS call, surely? And we'd have found debris?

The plane averted it's course, and 25 countries searching have found no evidence in any waters, no oil spills, no floating debris, nada.

I believe it was hijacked and it might be hiding out in Tajikistan or somewhere in that region. If you look at that part of the world, how much do we really know about countries like Tajikistan, Krygryzstan, Uzbekistan? I'd wager that a lot of people in the world have never even heard of these countries.

Well your wrong as it's been found in the sea.

And we know alot about the country's you say, but maybe in the USA you dont.

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Militant said:

It doesn't seem like a crash or a catastrophe. They'd have had an SOS call, surely? And we'd have found debris?

The plane averted it's course, and 25 countries searching have found no evidence in any waters, no oil spills, no floating debris, nada.

I believe it was hijacked and it might be hiding out in Tajikistan or somewhere in that region. If you look at that part of the world, how much do we really know about countries like Tajikistan, Krygryzstan, Uzbekistan? I'd wager that a lot of people in the world have never even heard of these countries.

Well your wrong as it's been found in the sea.

And we know alot about the country's you say, but maybe in the USA you dont.

the plane has not been found or at least the debris seen has not been determined to be from the plane.

the government is saying it crashed and all are dead but that is just an assumption based on 'new' radar data.

If it did crash: it was intentional and they used some device to stop anyone from making any contact.

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powersoul99 said:

Militant said:

It doesn't seem like a crash or a catastrophe. They'd have had an SOS call, surely? And we'd have found debris?

The plane averted it's course, and 25 countries searching have found no evidence in any waters, no oil spills, no floating debris, nada.

I believe it was hijacked and it might be hiding out in Tajikistan or somewhere in that region. If you look at that part of the world, how much do we really know about countries like Tajikistan, Krygryzstan, Uzbekistan? I'd wager that a lot of people in the world have never even heard of these countries.

Well your wrong as it's been found in the sea.

And we know alot about the country's you say, but maybe in the USA you dont.

Also, I live in the UK. You could have clicked on my profile and seen that, it would have literally taken two seconds, and you've have stopped yourself looking like an idiot twice in one post. Three times, actually, since it's countries, not country's. Fix your own shit before you start making condescending remarks to others.

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Militant said:

powersoul99 said:

Well your wrong as it's been found in the sea.

And we know alot about the country's you say, but maybe in the USA you dont.

Also, I live in the UK. You could have clicked on my profile and seen that, it would have literally taken two seconds, and you've have stopped yourself looking like an idiot twice in one post. Three times, actually, since it's countries, not country's. Fix your own shit before you start making condescending remarks to others.

Maybe English is not powersoul99's first language?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Militant said:

Also, I live in the UK. You could have clicked on my profile and seen that, it would have literally taken two seconds, and you've have stopped yourself looking like an idiot twice in one post. Three times, actually, since it's countries, not country's. Fix your own shit before you start making condescending remarks to others.

Maybe English is not powersoul99's first language?

If he wants to make rude condescending anti-American remarks (to someone who isn't even American!) then I couldn't give less of a fuck.

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Reply #28 posted 03/26/14 2:41pm

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I'm proud of you all for not making too big a deal over this non story. CNN and MSNBC have been pathetic.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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