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V10LETBLUES

with Christie out, who can win it for the GOP?

And here I thought Christie was a shoo-in against Clinton. Maybe even winning. But like Sara Palin before him, it's tough to go with unvetted small-time wildcard. Too risky.


So things don't look good for Christie, and his marathon denial and apology will only come bite him in the ass. It seems incredibly foolhardy to have so strongly denied something that will come to light sooner or later. He didn't give himself any leeway there, it was all too absolute. Who does that in politics?

So who can they Republicans possibly get to run against Hillary that can possibly win?

This is a tough one, but my bets now go with Jeb Bush if he decides to run or Jon Huntsmann. Jeb is the smart and sensible brother to W, and Huntsmann is the sensible stepchild of the GOP. Huntsman is the GOP version of Marilyn Munster.


Another possibility is Rand Paul. He has been making points with his steady work for public privacy. In the post Snowden age he has a message that really resonates. But sadly he comes off like a kid with a propeller hat next to Hillary. So I think we can scratch him off the list.

Rubio? Not a chance, especially not against Hillary. Maybe in ten years, but he is still to green. If Rand Paul comes off like a kid wearing a propeller hat, Rubio comes off as a kid wearing a propeller hat holding a lollipop next to Hillary.

Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry and the rest of the 2012 class are no-goes by merely being part of the 2012 Republican fiasco. There is too much for the public to forget.

Ted Cruz? There is no way the GOP will back him as the nominnee, much less the American public.

Things don't look good.





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Reply #1 posted 01/11/14 6:20pm

babynoz

LOL...you do love your horse races dont'cha violet? lol

I done told y'all back in 2012 that jeb will be the next gop nominee.

The only one who actually deserves the nomination is Huntsman but so far he's much too decent for this den of jackals.

Y'all gonna learn to listen to me one of these days, wink

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Reply #2 posted 01/11/14 6:24pm

Timmy84

Jeb Bush or Huntsman.

Rodeo said Huckabee could be a front runner or close to it but I don't see it.

The 2012 GOPers won't get a second chance and if so they won't be seriously considered anyway.

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Reply #3 posted 01/11/14 6:41pm

V10LETBLUES

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LOL...you do love your horse races dont'cha violet? lol

I done told y'all back in 2012 that jeb will be the next gop nominee.

The only one who actually deserves the nomination is Huntsman but so far he's much too decent for this den of jackals.

Y'all gonna learn to listen to me one of these days, wink

It's fun in a wonky way. razz

It's still not certain Jeb will throw his hat in the ring, or whether Christie can weather the storm. Neither of which look likely at the moment.

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Reply #4 posted 01/11/14 7:50pm

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Even if Chris Christie were running without Bridgegate weighing him down, I still see Jeb Bush most likely winning the GOP nomination in 2016. There's a lot of talk about Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Paul Ryan possibly running, but I beleive the Tea Party will have much less influence in presidential politics by then, especially since Karl Rove and the big money donors are trying to squash the Tea Party candidates in these mid-term elections.

Actually, these upcoming mid-term elections are probably the biggest battles for the soul of Republican party that has happened in a generation. If the establishment candidates beat back their Tea Party challengers in the primaries, they could conceivably hold onto the House and possibly even win the Senate, barring some calamity or scandal. But if the Tea Party candidiates beat a lot of the establishment candidiates in the primaries and get crushed by the Democrats in November, thus giving control of Congress back to the Democrats, expect a purge with a lot of heads rolling. The GOP was already the most hard right they had even been politically before the Tea Party came along, but the Tea Party candidiates were just batshit crazy, and this stuff hurt the party in 2012. They only held on to the House thanks to gerrymandering of congressional districts.

As for Jon Hunstman, he doesn't have a prayer of winning the GOP nomination because the base claims he's way too liberal, even though he came from one of the most red states in the nation. He also committed the blasphemous sin among the Tea Party crowd of actually being an ambassador to China in the Obama administration. Having said that, he is the most well qualified person to run for President in the GOP.

Unfortunately, there are too many bigots and racists controlling the GOP these days, and if Hillary Clinton runs and wins the Democratic noimination for President of the United States, expect the blatant racism to be replaced by blatant sexism and misogyny. rolleyes

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Reply #5 posted 01/12/14 6:21am

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I don't think anyone is going to care about this scandal six months from now so I don't believe Christie is done. I don't think he has a chance at getting the nomination though. Not because of recent events but because he is too moderate. I can't see him surviving the primary process.

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Reply #6 posted 01/12/14 12:21pm

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rialb said:

I don't think anyone is going to care about this scandal six months from now so I don't believe Christie is done. I don't think he has a chance at getting the nomination though. Not because of recent events but because he is too moderate. I can't see him surviving the primary process.

Christie is too fat to win the nomination, moderate aside. Give me the last overweight national ticket? You can bet it was before 1970. Image counts. We're that shallow in America, sadly. Being moderate let's everyone avoid saying it. He'd be stuffing himself at some banquet in China and keel over from a heart attack. Even a slimmed down Chistie would have to compete with the image of rebounders.

I know it's politically incorrect to say that is the reason which is why he has nothing to lose being moderate. Even if he moved right, his weight would hinder him. Could he do the same number of campaign stops as his lighter (and presumably athletic, healthy etc) and nimbler competitors? Of course, there will be a focus on what he eats, where and when.

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Reply #7 posted 01/12/14 12:39pm

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Jeb.

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Reply #8 posted 01/12/14 12:43pm

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Timmy84 said:

Jeb Bush or Huntsman.

Rodeo said Huckabee could be a front runner or close to it but I don't see it.

The 2012 GOPers won't get a second chance and if so they won't be seriously considered anyway.

Huntsman would be the smart mature pick, so that aint going to happen. smile

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Reply #9 posted 01/12/14 12:44pm

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SUPRMAN said:

rialb said:

I don't think anyone is going to care about this scandal six months from now so I don't believe Christie is done. I don't think he has a chance at getting the nomination though. Not because of recent events but because he is too moderate. I can't see him surviving the primary process.

Christie is too fat to win the nomination, moderate aside. Give me the last overweight national ticket? You can bet it was before 1970. Image counts. We're that shallow in America, sadly. Being moderate let's everyone avoid saying it. He'd be stuffing himself at some banquet in China and keel over from a heart attack. Even a slimmed down Chistie would have to compete with the image of rebounders.

I know it's politically incorrect to say that is the reason which is why he has nothing to lose being moderate. Even if he moved right, his weight would hinder him. Could he do the same number of campaign stops as his lighter (and presumably athletic, healthy etc) and nimbler competitors? Of course, there will be a focus on what he eats, where and when.

The only thing worse image wise than fat is short.

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Reply #10 posted 01/12/14 1:18pm

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Big. Jon. Huntsman.

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Reply #11 posted 01/12/14 1:22pm

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Timmy84 said:

Jeb Bush or Huntsman.

Rodeo said Huckabee could be a front runner or close to it but I don't see it.

The 2012 GOPers won't get a second chance and if so they won't be seriously considered anyway.




First of all, I'm loving the love for Big Jon Huntsman on this thread! If he can win over the Org, maybe he can win over the GOP!

Second, I just think that right now, Huckabee is probably the "frontrunner". Mainly because he's run before, and he has a show on Fox. But that doesn't mean I think he'll get the nomination. It mainly means I think he's the current Michelle Bachmann.

And not that he's looney. Far from it. I just think he's the first guy to hold the "frontrunner" mantle. Do not be confused - that mantle will be passed among many Republicans before it's all said and done.

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Reply #12 posted 01/12/14 1:33pm

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Well lets not forget Santorium did really well last run. He actually won Iowa.

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Reply #13 posted 01/12/14 5:02pm

V10LETBLUES

I have a lot of friends of all ages who don't really follow politics, and they all like Christie. Never heard them mention his weight. When your personality towers over your physicality, that says a lot. if he survives the scandal I think he can win.
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Reply #14 posted 01/13/14 8:01pm

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V10LETBLUES said:

I have a lot of friends of all ages who don't really follow politics, and they all like Christie. Never heard them mention his weight. When your personality towers over your physicality, that says a lot. if he survives the scandal I think he can win.

Likeable isn't necessarily electable.

Yeah, they like him in the abstract. Representing them to the world? NOT!

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Reply #15 posted 01/13/14 8:52pm

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V10LETBLUES said:

Huntsman is the GOP version of Marilyn Munster.

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exactly

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Reply #16 posted 01/13/14 8:56pm

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like nearly everyone on the thread, i like huntsman a lot.

i would say jeb is a decent choice, albeit a distant second to huntsman.

which, of course, is exactly why neither of these people will get the nom. the people who like huntsman and/or jeb are moderates or democrats. the base is still rabidly fringe right, and not about to go with a moderate and sane candidate like huntsman, though jeb would have slightly better (but still not great) odds.

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Reply #17 posted 01/13/14 10:02pm

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Ha! I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed that the gop cavalry isn't exactly rushing to Christie's rescue. I wonder how long they're gonna let tubby swing in the breeze? lol

http://www.washingtonpost...es-rescue/

Jeb is gonna ride in like a knights Templar to save a party on the ropes...watch what I tell ya.

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Reply #18 posted 01/14/14 5:29pm

Timmy84

Ironically, some are saying the bridge controversy doesn't mean Christie's possible plans to run for President have died any.

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Reply #19 posted 01/14/14 5:38pm

V10LETBLUES

SUPRMAN said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I have a lot of friends of all ages who don't really follow politics, and they all like Christie. Never heard them mention his weight. When your personality towers over your physicality, that says a lot. if he survives the scandal I think he can win.

Likeable isn't necessarily electable.

Yeah, they like him in the abstract. Representing them to the world? NOT!

Before “Bridgegate” and just after Christie’s victory in New Jersey there were a few national polls that showed Christie either tied or slightly leading Hillary Clinton.

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Reply #20 posted 01/14/14 5:39pm

V10LETBLUES

Timmy84 said:

Ironically, some are saying the bridge controversy doesn't mean Christie's possible plans to run for President have died any.

If he is cleared of knowing anything, then I think he is clear to run. That is if he believes no other skeletons will come out.

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Reply #21 posted 01/14/14 6:22pm

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V10LETBLUES said:

SUPRMAN said:

Likeable isn't necessarily electable.

Yeah, they like him in the abstract. Representing them to the world? NOT!

Before “Bridgegate” and just after Christie’s victory in New Jersey there were a few national polls that showed Christie either tied or slightly leading Hillary Clinton.

They say that, but they aren't going to want a fat President. The caricatures alone . . . . .

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Reply #22 posted 01/14/14 7:22pm

Timmy84

Who was the last President to be overweight? Howard Taft, right?

Well Christie himself hasn't really said anything about running.

The way things are, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Bush III vs. Clinton II.

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Reply #23 posted 01/16/14 8:27am

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I watched Senator Rand Paul on "Meet the Press" yesterday. He is just so out of touch with reality and the average American.

First of all, his response to the so-called "War on Women" was ridiculous. The worst thing is, he started off OK. He had some good stats on the number of women in professional schools (medical school, law school). So far, so good.

And then he put his foot in his mouth (something he would do more than once in the interview).

He concluded that women in America must be doing great because the women in his family were doing great. Got that? Because the women of a politically-connected rich family are doing great, you are too!

WTF?!? disbelief That's Exhibit I of Paul's lack of connection with reality.

Speaking of the women in his family, he was asked about comments his wife made re: Bill Clinton being a subject of debate in a Hillary Clinton presidential race. Should the Monica Lewinsky episode be a part of the Hillary Clinton discussion?

First Paul said "No" but he said it so quick that I had to watch that part twice to catch it. Then he spent two minutes dissecting why the Monica Lewinsky episode disgusts him so much.

So what? disbelief He just said it was irrelevant, then he spends two minutes on a national platform, revisiting stuff that happened almost a generation ago? Really?

Does he not know that Bill Clinton has a sky-high approval rating? Does he not know that Bill Clinton was very responsible for Barack Obama's re-election? Does he not know who the keynote speaker at the 2012 Democratic convention was? Does he not understand that the American public put the Lewinsky episode behind them about 15 years ago?

Clearly, Paul DOES want to make Bill Clinton a part of the Hillary Clinton campaign. And I am 100% sure that every Hillary supporter is saying, "Alright! We ALSO want the most popular ex-president of our lifetimes to be front and center, too!"

I like some of Rand Paul's positions. But he is the perfect example of the Out-Of-Touch Republican. Clearly, this guy grew up in a bubble and is still in it.

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Reply #25 posted 01/27/14 1:18pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Timmy84 said:

Jeb Bush or Huntsman.

Rodeo said Huckabee could be a front runner or close to it but I don't see it.

The 2012 GOPers won't get a second chance and if so they won't be seriously considered anyway.




First of all, I'm loving the love for Big Jon Huntsman on this thread! If he can win over the Org, maybe he can win over the GOP!

Second, I just think that right now, Huckabee is probably the "frontrunner". Mainly because he's run before, and he has a show on Fox. But that doesn't mean I think he'll get the nomination. It mainly means I think he's the current Michelle Bachmann.

And not that he's looney. Far from it. I just think he's the first guy to hold the "frontrunner" mantle. Do not be confused - that mantle will be passed among many Republicans before it's all said and done.

You lost me @ Huckabee and frontrunner. Huck is too busy preaching to the choir base of the tea party without realizing he's alienating the rest of the country. His recent comments about women proves he doesn't have what it takes to be taken seriously on a national scale.

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Frankly right now, there is no frontrunner other than the fat man. And those chances seem to be fading which each passing day. But we'll see....Unless they have evidence of him authorizing the green light, I think he can survive it. Now if there's a smoking gun....fahgetaboutit! lol

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V10LETBLUES said:

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The woman hasn't even announced that she's running but still making magazine covers as if she has.....Hilarious! razz

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:




First of all, I'm loving the love for Big Jon Huntsman on this thread! If he can win over the Org, maybe he can win over the GOP!

Second, I just think that right now, Huckabee is probably the "frontrunner". Mainly because he's run before, and he has a show on Fox. But that doesn't mean I think he'll get the nomination. It mainly means I think he's the current Michelle Bachmann.

And not that he's looney. Far from it. I just think he's the first guy to hold the "frontrunner" mantle. Do not be confused - that mantle will be passed among many Republicans before it's all said and done.

You lost me @ Huckabee and frontrunner. Huck is too busy preaching to the choir base of the tea party without realizing he's alienating the rest of the country. His recent comments about women proves he doesn't have what it takes to be taken seriously on a national scale.

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Frankly right now, there is no frontrunner other than the fat man. And those chances seem to be fading which each passing day. But we'll see....Unless they have evidence of him authorizing the green light, I think he can survive it. Now if there's a smoking gun....fahgetaboutit! lol


Yeah, but I called him my "frontrunner" BEFORE he imploded last weekend. He's clearly not anyone's frontrunner now!

The GOP is so bereft of candidates that it's scary. I guess Marco Rubio would be at the head of my class right now, and that's mainly because he hasn't said anything in about a year!

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RodeoSchro said:

I watched Senator Rand Paul on "Meet the Press" yesterday. He is just so out of touch with reality and the average American.

First of all, his response to the so-called "War on Women" was ridiculous. The worst thing is, he started off OK. He had some good stats on the number of women in professional schools (medical school, law school). So far, so good.

And then he put his foot in his mouth (something he would do more than once in the interview).

He concluded that women in America must be doing great because the women in his family were doing great. Got that? Because the women of a politically-connected rich family are doing great, you are too!

WTF?!? disbelief That's Exhibit I of Paul's lack of connection with reality.

Speaking of the women in his family, he was asked about comments his wife made re: Bill Clinton being a subject of debate in a Hillary Clinton presidential race. Should the Monica Lewinsky episode be a part of the Hillary Clinton discussion?

First Paul said "No" but he said it so quick that I had to watch that part twice to catch it. Then he spent two minutes dissecting why the Monica Lewinsky episode disgusts him so much.

So what? disbelief He just said it was irrelevant, then he spends two minutes on a national platform, revisiting stuff that happened almost a generation ago? Really?

Does he not know that Bill Clinton has a sky-high approval rating? Does he not know that Bill Clinton was very responsible for Barack Obama's re-election? Does he not know who the keynote speaker at the 2012 Democratic convention was? Does he not understand that the American public put the Lewinsky episode behind them about 15 years ago?

Clearly, Paul DOES want to make Bill Clinton a part of the Hillary Clinton campaign. And I am 100% sure that every Hillary supporter is saying, "Alright! We ALSO want the most popular ex-president of our lifetimes to be front and center, too!"

I like some of Rand Paul's positions. But he is the perfect example of the Out-Of-Touch Republican. Clearly, this guy grew up in a bubble and is still in it.

Regarding Bill and Monica he was asked his opinion. If anyone is to blame shouldn't it be Chris Wallace?

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Musicslave said:

RodeoSchro said:




First of all, I'm loving the love for Big Jon Huntsman on this thread! If he can win over the Org, maybe he can win over the GOP!

Second, I just think that right now, Huckabee is probably the "frontrunner". Mainly because he's run before, and he has a show on Fox. But that doesn't mean I think he'll get the nomination. It mainly means I think he's the current Michelle Bachmann.

And not that he's looney. Far from it. I just think he's the first guy to hold the "frontrunner" mantle. Do not be confused - that mantle will be passed among many Republicans before it's all said and done.

You lost me @ Huckabee and frontrunner. Huck is too busy preaching to the choir base of the tea party without realizing he's alienating the rest of the country. His recent comments about women proves he doesn't have what it takes to be taken seriously on a national scale.

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Frankly right now, there is no frontrunner other than the fat man. And those chances seem to be fading which each passing day. But we'll see....Unless they have evidence of him authorizing the green light, I think he can survive it. Now if there's a smoking gun....fahgetaboutit! lol

Eh, to me it appears that those comments were exaggerated and taken out of context. Isn't it obvious by the tone of gis voice that he was implying that is what democrats believe about women? He wasn't saying that he believes it.

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