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Due to complaints of lag time I figured we'd continue the conversation/debate here:

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Video link provided....

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http://www.orlandosentine...6.htmlpage

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Judge Nelson sure isn't playing about time today. She's really trying to hurry things along more than usual. I think she felt that the Defense took up too much time with Mr. Shoemaker (animated video expert) earlier. MOM spent a lot of time establishing Mr. Shoemaker's science behind his animated reconstruction of crime scenes.

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Defense calls their forensic pathologist to the stand.

Thank you.

lazycrockett said:

Thank you.

You're welcome. Are you watching this live too?

Im doing cable. I was just tired of the lag yesterday. It was annoying.

There just letting this old dude yammer on and on and on.

lazycrockett said:

Im doing cable. I was just tired of the lag yesterday. It was annoying.

Cool. I'm at work so, unless it's a slow work day I'm unable to watch in real time.

lazycrockett said:

There just letting this old dude yammer on and on and on.

Do you think this guy enjoys his job?

I wish GZ would have took his "injuries" more serious and gone to the hospital and had X-Rays done. I guess at time he wasn't too afraid of his life enough to get thoroughly checked out.

Musicslave said:

I wish GZ would have took his "injuries" more serious and gone to the hospital and had X-Rays done. I guess at time he wasn't too afraid of his life enough to get thoroughly checked out.

Exactly. I guess his 'life threatening injuries' were only life threatening when he couldn't handle a fight he instigated and therefore had to end it by pulling out a gun during a fist fight.

Imagine how many more deaths we would have it cowards could just pull out guns and fire during fist fights....and have it be legal.

rudedog said:

Musicslave said:

I wish GZ would have took his "injuries" more serious and gone to the hospital and had X-Rays done. I guess at time he wasn't too afraid of his life enough to get thoroughly checked out.

Exactly. I guess his 'life threatening injuries' were only life threatening when he couldn't handle a fight he instigated and therefore had to end it by pulling out a gun during a fist fight.

Imagine how many more deaths we would have it cowards could just pull out guns and fire during fist fights....and have it be legal.

Imagine how this is likely to happen if GZ gets away with this. Bad precedent.

By the way MOM expects to be done with his witnesses by tomorrow. I guess it was convenient when the State already called the majority of your witnesses.

Musicslave said:

rudedog said:

Exactly. I guess his 'life threatening injuries' were only life threatening when he couldn't handle a fight he instigated and therefore had to end it by pulling out a gun during a fist fight.

Imagine how many more deaths we would have it cowards could just pull out guns and fire during fist fights....and have it be legal.

Imagine how this is likely to happen if GZ gets away with this. Bad precedent.

By the way MOM expects to be done with his witnesses by tomorrow. I guess it was convenient when the State already called the majority of your witnesses.

It's really sad that everyone who testified they heard the voice as GZ were all his best friends and more than anything all have a financial interest either in a book or otherwise financially.That's just bizarre, writing a book about a friend who's up on murder charges. Who are these ppl??

rudedog said:

Musicslave said:

Imagine how this is likely to happen if GZ gets away with this. Bad precedent.

By the way MOM expects to be done with his witnesses by tomorrow. I guess it was convenient when the State already called the majority of your witnesses.

It's really sad that everyone who testified they heard the voice as GZ were all his best friends and more than anything all have a financial interest either in a book or otherwise financially.That's just bizarre, writing a book about a friend who's up on murder charges. Who are these ppl??

Isn't funny how the Defense valued the use of a black face to close out their witnesses (today at least) but failed to see the value in a black face among the jurors.

rudedog said:

rudedog said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

rudedog said:

It's really sad that everyone who testified they heard the voice as GZ were all his best friends and more than anything all have a financial interest either in a book or otherwise financially.That's just bizarre, writing a book about a friend who's up on murder charges. Who are these ppl??

Sad that TM's family (2 of who changed their story) say it is TM. And we know they got a big pay out from the neighborhood already. And they will sue GZ. And then there is the book and movie deals. So yeah that street goes both ways. Oh and the people that wrote the book gave their cut to GZ so they have nothing to gain.

Oh man, is this coming from the man that accuses ppl of 'assuming'? I'm talking about the present, GZ's friend already has a book to sell and the trial hasn't even finished yet. But that's fine though, you're right it does go both ways. Thing is, these ppl already have a profitable interest in GZ winning the case if they already have a book deal so of course they will testify in GZ's defense, that's my point. They have a financial interest/gain by testifying.

Does the TM family have witnesses with book deals on the stand?

Oh, BTW, don't forget all the money GZ & his wife lied about getting from Paypal donations. But yeah put her on the stand, he's credible, ha!

AC360 brought up a point that the judge may let the animation in as part of the closing argument, which all agreed would be a very powerful closing statement.

Since the animation wold be part of the closing, it would be the defense argument that this is what happened, which would be the same thing as standing there and saying it to the jury itself.

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lazycrockett said:

AC360 brought up a point that the judge may let the animation in as part of the closing argument, which all agreed would be a very powerful closing statement.

Since the animation wold be part of the closing, it would be the defense argument that this is what happened, which would be the same thing as standing there and saying it to the jury itself.

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Musicslave said:

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Due to complaints of lag time I figured we'd continue the conversation/debate here:

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Video link provided....

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http://www.orlandosentine...6.htmlpage

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MS - sticky this mo'fo!

Well from my understanding the guy who does this animation stuff has been doing it for years, the fbi does the same thing, and the court has never NOT allowed them into the trial. He basically uses the information that all the witness, prosecution and defense, agree with and just makes a movie of it.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

rudedog said:

It's really sad that everyone who testified they heard the voice as GZ were all his best friends and more than anything all have a financial interest either in a book or otherwise financially.That's just bizarre, writing a book about a friend who's up on murder charges. Who are these ppl??

Sad that TM's family (2 of who changed their story) say it is TM. And we know they got a big pay out from the neighborhood already. And they will sue GZ. And then there is the book and movie deals. So yeah that street goes both ways. Oh and the people that wrote the book gave their cut to GZ so they have nothing to gain.

Sad that GZ changed his story in the friend's book vs what he said happened to authorities ON TAPE. (grabbed the gun versus thought TM was moving to grab teh gun)

lazycrockett said:

Well from my understanding the guy who does this animation stuff has been doing it for years, the fbi does the same thing, and the court has never NOT allowed them into the trial. He basically uses the information that all the witness, prosecution and defense, agree with and just makes a movie of it.

But it clearly takes the place of GZ testimony, right?

Perhaps she will allow it in closing

^Zimmerman was never taking the stand, but this would work in the defenses favor, obviously.

lazycrockett said:

^Zimmerman was never taking the stand, but this would work in the defenses favor, obviously.

WHICH IS WHY THEY MADE THE VIDEO.

lazycrockett said:

AC360 brought up a point that the judge may let the animation in as part of the closing argument, which all agreed would be a very powerful closing statement.

Since the animation wold be part of the closing, it would be the defense argument that this is what happened, which would be the same thing as standing there and saying it to the jury itself.

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Honestly that does make sense.

As one of the panelist said "a picture is worth a thousand words."

Best point - if the only point - made by the State today was the bloody nose/top lip - but no traces of blood or GZ DNA on Martin's hands. GZ claims TM's hand was over his mouth/nose.

The problem with the DNA stuff is that it was raining and the grass/ground was wet so everything was compromised. If I remember correctly no DNA of either was found on the gun.

Honestly it was a bad case from the get go.

lazycrockett said:

The problem with the DNA stuff is that it was raining and the grass/ground was wet so everything was compromised. If I remember correctly no DNA of either was found on the gun.

Honestly it was a bad case from the get go.