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Thread started 08/09/12 11:12am

Gunsnhalen

Lion King & Other Disney Controversies

So, a friend of mine from work recently was going on & on about The Lion King is ''racists''

Now i took it with a grain of salt because i know tons of people who say this movie or that show is racists for whatever reason......

I have people even say shit like The Color Purple is racist against it's own people & that X-men is racists against white people... confused now those are some of the more EXTREME POV

Any idiot could tell you disney is not politically correct most of the time, but sometimes when people talk about.. ''racist'' or degrading thing's in these movies i think they are just overthinking some thing's.

Sure i'll give you that the Hyena march look's like the infamous nazi march, and sure i guess that dust does domewhat spell sex? although the x is a little more blurred.

People say Lion King is Pro-Segregation cause of the fact they keep the Hyenas out of the land, and that is supposed to symbolize them keeping African Americans out. And the fact Whoopi Goldberg happened to voice one of the characters makes the ''racism'' claims stronger from peeps to.

Honestly the land is filled with a bunch of different fucking animals, the Hyenas as portrayed in the movie are troublemakers & vicious characters by the movies standards. People could argue that Disney is trying to portray a certain race that way, but honestly in the movie the land is filled with so many different types of animals... idk i don't see them as being pro-segregation when monkeys & elephants & giraffes & birds are all kicking it.

I will admit Disney sometime can have questionable story motifs & they do kind of fuck around in a silly way with history ''cough'' Pocahontas.

But idk i feel the one for the Lion King is just people over-thinking.

What do you guys think about the controversy in Lion King or any other Disney film?

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Reply #1 posted 08/09/12 11:16am

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Reply #2 posted 08/09/12 11:38am

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I personally think it's bullshit. Too many PC police considering Disney, Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes and the like. Instead of just looking at how history was then, they don't wanna air it because of "impressionable kids". Like people were spending five hours wondering if Tinkerbell's pussy was actually seen in "Peter Pan" (it wasn't, she had underwear on).

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Reply #3 posted 08/09/12 11:56am

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The young Simba is voiced by Jason Weaver who also sings and is black. If you don't know who voices Mustafa then go watch PBS, Simba's mom was voice by the late Madge Sinclair who was the Queen in Coming To America. Disney is by no means innocent when it comes to representations of color, it only took seventy years before they had a black princess who was a frog for most of her film, there are many more problems to focus on besides this but it has some legitimacy.

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Reply #4 posted 08/09/12 1:58pm

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Reply #5 posted 08/09/12 2:01pm

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lol

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Reply #6 posted 08/09/12 2:12pm

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eek

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Reply #7 posted 08/09/12 2:39pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

AsherFierce said:

illuminati

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[Edited 8/9/12 14:39pm]

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Reply #8 posted 08/09/12 3:15pm

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MIERDA DE TORO!

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Reply #9 posted 08/09/12 5:01pm

Gunsnhalen

UncleGrandpa said:

The young Simba is voiced by Jason Weaver who also sings and is black. If you don't know who voices Mustafa then go watch PBS, Simba's mom was voice by the late Madge Sinclair who was the Queen in Coming To America. Disney is by no means innocent when it comes to representations of color, it only took seventy years before they had a black princess who was a frog for most of her film, there are many more problems to focus on besides this but it has some legitimacy.

Princess And The Frogs was suprisingly a good movie cool

I think it's cool they finally had a black princess! grant it why it took them 70 years idk confused but i saw it in theatres with my little sister and it had a good story & Princess Tianna was an enjoyable character.

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Reply #10 posted 08/09/12 5:16pm

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UncleGrandpa said:

The young Simba is voiced by Jason Weaver who also sings and is black. If you don't know who voices Mustafa then go watch PBS, Simba's mom was voice by the late Madge Sinclair who was the Queen in Coming To America. Disney is by no means innocent when it comes to representations of color, it only took seventy years before they had a black princess who was a frog for most of her film, there are many more problems to focus on besides this but it has some legitimacy.

Actually, the young Simba was done by Jonathon Taylor Thomas, a young white actor from "Home improvement" with Tim Allen. The adult Simba was done by Matthew Broderick.

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Reply #11 posted 08/09/12 5:21pm

Gunsnhalen

prittypriss said:

UncleGrandpa said:

The young Simba is voiced by Jason Weaver who also sings and is black. If you don't know who voices Mustafa then go watch PBS, Simba's mom was voice by the late Madge Sinclair who was the Queen in Coming To America. Disney is by no means innocent when it comes to representations of color, it only took seventy years before they had a black princess who was a frog for most of her film, there are many more problems to focus on besides this but it has some legitimacy.

Actually, the young Simba was done by Jonathon Taylor Thomas, a young white actor from "Home improvement" with Tim Allen. The adult Simba was done by Matthew Broderick.

That's what i was thinking lol

Whatever happened to that guy?

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Reply #12 posted 08/09/12 5:32pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

prittypriss said:

Actually, the young Simba was done by Jonathon Taylor Thomas, a young white actor from "Home improvement" with Tim Allen. The adult Simba was done by Matthew Broderick.

That's what i was thinking lol

Whatever happened to that guy?

I think he's been going to college. Or had been. He's in his 30s now.

http://img.perezhilton.co...t__oPt.jpg

A picture of him. He's a good looking man.

He's not acting anymore, but said he'd be interested in working behind the scenes, though he's not counting acting out. I could see him as a lead in an action flick.

I just found out he's a virgo. I have a thing for virgos. They are my kryptonite, make me all weak and stuff.

[Edited 8/9/12 17:34pm]

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Reply #13 posted 08/09/12 5:47pm

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You guys are right, Weaver was just the kid sining. To err is human. redface

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Reply #14 posted 08/09/12 6:03pm

Gunsnhalen

Have you guys or gals ever seen Song Of The South?

What are opinions on that?

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Reply #15 posted 08/09/12 7:20pm

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To me it's racist in a much more obvious way - when they do cartoons set on other continents, they always had HUMAN characters...Mulan, Aladdin...

They get to Africa and decide to make the whole cast animals instead of black people, which I found very telling.

Sure, years later they made up for it with Frog Princess but I still give Disney the side-eye for the Lion King thing.

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Reply #16 posted 08/09/12 7:35pm

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Analyst said:

To me it's racist in a much more obvious way - when they do cartoons set on other continents, they always had HUMAN characters...Mulan, Aladdin...

They get to Africa and decide to make the whole cast animals instead of black people, which I found very telling.

Sure, years later they made up for it with Frog Princess but I still give Disney the side-eye for the Lion King thing.

and then they put all black people in the stage version! What's up with that?

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Reply #18 posted 08/09/12 9:32pm

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Hudson said:

Analyst said:

To me it's racist in a much more obvious way - when they do cartoons set on other continents, they always had HUMAN characters...Mulan, Aladdin...

They get to Africa and decide to make the whole cast animals instead of black people, which I found very telling.

Sure, years later they made up for it with Frog Princess but I still give Disney the side-eye for the Lion King thing.

and then they put all black people in the stage version! What's up with that?

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No, see you don't know the rules - apparently it's okay for us to belt out songs on a stage. We just arent allowed to be drawn in cartoons, or have serious jobs that rely on brainpower and not us hopping around on a stage or doing some kind of sport. nod

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Reply #19 posted 08/09/12 9:49pm

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There's folk who will punch u in the face and then call u racist for having a black eye.

Just like in life, there's racism in film and other forms of entertainment, and it sucks, yes.


But there's also stuff that reflects/portrays the differences of cultures without making a big fucking deal about it.

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Reply #20 posted 08/09/12 9:51pm

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Hudson said:

Analyst said:

To me it's racist in a much more obvious way - when they do cartoons set on other continents, they always had HUMAN characters...Mulan, Aladdin...

They get to Africa and decide to make the whole cast animals instead of black people, which I found very telling.

Sure, years later they made up for it with Frog Princess but I still give Disney the side-eye for the Lion King thing.

and then they put all black people in the stage version! What's up with that?

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It upsets you that the stage cast of Lion King is black?

I'd love to see Disney try and put up a white-cast version of a story set in Africa and see how that goes. falloff

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Reply #21 posted 08/09/12 9:59pm

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johnart said:

It upsets you that the stage cast of Lion King is black?

No way! Sorry if it came off that way.

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Reply #22 posted 08/09/12 10:01pm

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Hudson said:

johnart said:

It upsets you that the stage cast of Lion King is black?

No way! Sorry if it came off that way.

No don't be sorry.

I just tried to picture a non-black cast in an African-themed show and immediately saw picket signs (held up by folk of ALL colors) n shit. wink

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Reply #23 posted 08/09/12 10:03pm

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johnart said:

There's folk who will punch u in the face and then call u racist for having a black eye.

Just like in life, there's racism in film and other forms of entertainment, and it sucks, yes.


But there's also stuff that reflects/portrays the differences of cultures without making a big fucking deal about it.

...Let me guess, you're one of those folks who thinks racism is a 'thing of the past', aren't you? lol

What about homophobia, then?

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Reply #24 posted 08/10/12 12:04am

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Analyst said:

johnart said:

There's folk who will punch u in the face and then call u racist for having a black eye.

Just like in life, there's racism in film and other forms of entertainment, and it sucks, yes.


But there's also stuff that reflects/portrays the differences of cultures without making a big fucking deal about it.

...Let me guess, you're one of those folks who thinks racism is a 'thing of the past', aren't you? lol

What about homophobia, then?

Not sure what would give you that idea since I even say so in the post you just quoted but actually, I think racism, sexism, and homophobia are ALL very much alive.

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Reply #25 posted 08/10/12 6:19am

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As far as racism goes, you could see it both ways. Using The Lion King for example, I could say they made the villain a white man and the 2 stupid animals who provide comedy white too
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Reply #26 posted 08/10/12 9:05am

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aardvark15 said:

As far as racism goes, you could see it both ways. Using The Lion King for example, I could say they made the villain a white man and the 2 stupid animals who provide comedy white too

Party pooper hmph!

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Reply #27 posted 08/10/12 9:17am

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And let's not forget Cheech Marin was one o' them nasty hyenas, too! lol

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Reply #28 posted 08/10/12 12:02pm

Gunsnhalen

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eek

I watched this like 8 times when this came out lol

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Reply #29 posted 08/11/12 8:39pm

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It doesn't bother me when cartoon characters are obviously a race or nationality.

What bothers me is when those ethnic animals are portrayed in singular ways

as one dimensional stereotypes that exasterbate harmful prejudices against them.

For example, Shrek is obviously irish, but he's not one dimensional. He's a well-rounded

character.

Likewise, some of the Japanese animations I've seen depict asian and white animals

as characters, but the stereotypes (sometimes unavoidable) aren't harmful---some.

But, Bachus, a greek god being fanned by black slaves? One of thes things that fascinates

me and repulses me so much about old Disney era cartoon as well as old classics like the

exceedingly racist Gone With The Wind is how slaves are always depicted as strangely

content.....bitch please. They're alway shown to be happy, content, niave helpless childlike

people. Niave, child-like people do not survive 400 years of enslavement. rolleyes

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