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Graycap23

Slaves, Obey your Masters...........what do u think of this?

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Atheist Slave Billboard Upsets Pennsylvania Residents

March 7th, 2012 - By Brande Victorian

An atheist billboard firing back at Pennsylvania lawmakers has angered black residents in the city due to its depiction of an African slave with a metal collar around his neck.

The billboard features a passage from the Bible saying, “Slaves, obey your masters,” as a jab toward state lawmakers who recently passed a bill announcing 2012 as the Year of the Bible. The lawmakers suggest residents renew their faith in and knowledge of God to help the nation through it’s struggles, and according to the American Atheist website:

http://madamenoire.com/143808/atheist-slave-billboard-upsets-pennsylvania-residents/#

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Reply #1 posted 03/07/12 10:15am

morningsong

I get what they are trying to say and more power to them. Free speech and all.

[Edited 3/7/12 10:16am]

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Reply #2 posted 03/07/12 11:47am

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only in Pa ! (that billboard is near me)

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Reply #3 posted 03/07/12 11:49am

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I get their point too, but graphically, a poor way of sending that message.

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Reply #4 posted 03/07/12 11:57am

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I have not seen the billboard (actually I think on the radio they said they took it down already) - however another interesting fact about this is - they put this billboard up in a very "low income" and "high crime " area of the capitol ....

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Reply #5 posted 03/07/12 1:47pm

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Colossians 3:22

Servants, obey in all things those who are your masters according to the flesh, not just when they are looking, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

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Reply #6 posted 03/07/12 1:49pm

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Colossians 3:9

Don't lie to one another

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Reply #7 posted 03/07/12 2:20pm

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2elijah said:

I get their point too, but graphically, a poor way of sending that message.

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Reply #8 posted 03/07/12 2:45pm

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Graycap23 said:

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Atheist Slave Billboard Upsets Pennsylvania Residents

March 7th, 2012 - By Brande Victorian

An atheist billboard firing back at Pennsylvania lawmakers has angered black residents in the city due to its depiction of an African slave with a metal collar around his neck.

The billboard features a passage from the Bible saying, “Slaves, obey your masters,” as a jab toward state lawmakers who recently passed a bill announcing 2012 as the Year of the Bible. The lawmakers suggest residents renew their faith in and knowledge of God to help the nation through it’s struggles, and according to the American Atheist website:

http://madamenoire.com/143808/atheist-slave-billboard-upsets-pennsylvania-residents/#

I think a lot of this kind of stuff get's blown way up,

that verse and time of what a slave or servant was was a lot different than what the 'pan african slavery' was about

It's clear in history that many churches opposed what was happening in america as slavery was concerned. the Quakers were 1 group.

the man who wrote Amazing Grace, I believe was christian who fought to end slavery in England.

I think in that same book it said: Fathers don't provoke your children to anger.

It also said husbands love your wives like christ loves the church and gave his body for...

so I don't know...

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Reply #9 posted 03/07/12 3:04pm

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I say we shouldn't run from it: the Bible was the figleaf used to justify chattel slavery and Christians of all persuasions defended slavery. But consider the following:

1. Paul believed the world's systems would be moot soon, and that slaves should endure until that time came. Romans 13:1-7, 1 Cor. 7:29-31. He considered slavery as a temporary cross to bear for many until Jesus came back in short order. Many of those slaves he spoke to were owned by non-Christian/pagan masters.

2. Paul also admonished masters to treat their slaves kindly and justly, which African slavery did not.

Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 4:1.

3. Paul made it clear to early Christians that owning slaves was incompatible with Christianity. Paul made this point to Philemon when his slave Onesimus ran away, to welcome the runaway back “no longer as a slave but more than a slave, a brother” (Philem. 6).

4. After all, Paul did say in terms of the soul, “there is neither slave nor free . . . you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:27-28).

The slavery of Paul's day and the chattel African slavery of the West were dissimilar in many respects. Heck, if Paul had been around in the 16th-19th centuries HE may have been a chattel slave.

These cannot change how the Scriptures were used or what they say, just additional food for thought.

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Reply #10 posted 03/07/12 3:29pm

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massively inappropriate.

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Reply #11 posted 03/07/12 3:50pm

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This isn't a surprise to anyone whos actually reads the bible. god loved slavery.

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Reply #12 posted 03/07/12 4:02pm

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Aren't we being a bit too PC here? I mean, come on. It hits home, but it's a reality.

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Reply #13 posted 03/07/12 4:23pm

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Aren't we being a bit too PC here? I mean, come on. It hits home, but it's a reality.

[Edited 3/7/12 16:02pm]

shrug I just see it as another person/group in a long line trying to tell me how I should think. Anybody who's ever read the bible has seen that line a thousand times, and has formed their own opinion about it.

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morningsong said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Aren't we being a bit too PC here? I mean, come on. It hits home, but it's a reality.

[Edited 3/7/12 16:02pm]

shrug I just see it as another person/group in a long line trying to tell me how I should think. Anybody who's ever read the bible has seen that line a thousand times, and has formed their own opinion about it.

And they did take it out of context a bit.

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Reply #15 posted 03/07/12 5:18pm

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This isn't a surprise to anyone whos actually reads the bible. god loved slavery.

......and Yahushua ("Jesus") never spoke for OR against slavery neither. neutral

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Reply #16 posted 03/07/12 5:33pm

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morningsong said:

shrug I just see it as another person/group in a long line trying to tell me how I should think. Anybody who's ever read the bible has seen that line a thousand times, and has formed their own opinion about it.

And they did take it out of context a bit.

True. Too harsh a sign. But looking at it, I'm seeing it a few different ways. Like being a slave to the government. A resolution was passed that even I as a Christian don't think was necessary, even pretentious. I think it should have never passed.

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morningsong said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

And they did take it out of context a bit.

True. Too harsh a sign. But looking at it, I'm seeing it a few different ways. Like being a slave to the government. A resolution was passed that even I as a Christian don't think was necessary, even pretentious. I think it should have never passed.

Which resolution was it?

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Reply #18 posted 03/08/12 1:47am

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Eh, there's some things in the Bible that are abhorrent, what's wrong with pointing them out? If Pennsylvanian politicians have decided that 2012 is the year of the bible I think it is fair to take the bad with the good.

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Reply #19 posted 03/08/12 4:59am

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I keep seeing people say, "I know what they mean" and "it's reality."

What are talking about exactly?

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seekingtruth said:

I keep seeing people say, "I know what they mean" and "it's reality."

What are talking about exactly?

I take it as the Atheists are comparing the slavery in the bible to the reality of African slavery in the past in this country, but in my opinion, the two doesn't come close. I'm curious though, if Atheists don't believe in God or that anything in the bible is true, then how can they compare the American enslavement of Africans(as well as, many descendants of enslaved African who were also enslaved back then) which was a reality, to something they don't believe is true or existed/exists at all?

The graphic portrays an uncomfortable reality for many, but I just don't see what that reality has to do with something an Atheist feel is fake. Now I know many have used and still use religion, as a means of power and control/brainwash/mentally enslave, etc., others with their own religious beliefs, just don't see what that graphic, which displays a totally, different reality, has to do with their message.

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Reply #21 posted 03/08/12 7:47am

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TonyVanDam said:

lazycrockett said:

This isn't a surprise to anyone whos actually reads the bible. god loved slavery.

......and Yahushua ("Jesus") never spoke for OR against slavery neither. neutral

We can't speak definitively on what Christ did or didn't say about slavery, because the Gospels never claim to capture everything he said or did. See e.g. John 21:25.

And . . . Paul ain't Jesus.

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Reply #22 posted 03/08/12 7:58am

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morningsong said:

True. Too harsh a sign. But looking at it, I'm seeing it a few different ways. Like being a slave to the government. A resolution was passed that even I as a Christian don't think was necessary, even pretentious. I think it should have never passed.

Which resolution was it?

Church and State stuff.

Rick Saccone (R) was the prime sponsor of House Resolution 535, which passed unanimously (193-0) on Jan. 24. The resolution declares 2012 the Year of the Bible "in recognition of both the formative influence of the Bible on our Commonwealth and nation and our national need to study and apply the teachings of the holy scriptures."

I'm more of this mind set.

He also called the Year of the Bible resolution "commendable" but "unnecessary" for the government to pass.

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Reply #23 posted 03/08/12 8:17am

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namepeace said:

TonyVanDam said:

......and Yahushua ("Jesus") never spoke for OR against slavery neither. neutral

We can't speak definitively on what Christ did or didn't say about slavery, because the Gospels never claim to capture everything he said or did. See e.g. John 21:25.

And . . . Paul ain't Jesus.

Try telling THAT^ to every member of the USA's Bible Belt region. disbelief lol

Concerning Paul, there are reasonable doubts concerning which letters Paul actually wrote, if he wrote any of them at all. This discussion is a thread in itself. But be as it may, there are far more "Christians" that follow Paul a lot more than they follow Christ Jesus.

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2elijah said:

seekingtruth said:

I keep seeing people say, "I know what they mean" and "it's reality."

What are talking about exactly?

I take it as the Atheists are comparing the slavery in the bible to the reality of African slavery in the past in this country, but in my opinion, the two doesn't come close. I'm curious though, if Atheists don't believe in God or that anything in the bible is true, then how can they compare the American enslavement of Africans(as well as, many descendants of enslaved African who were also enslaved back then) which was a reality, to something they don't believe is true or existed/exists at all?

The graphic portrays an uncomfortable reality for many, but I just don't see what that reality has to do with something an Atheist feel is fake. Now I know many have used and still use religion, as a means of power and control/brainwash/mentally enslave, etc., others with their own religious beliefs, just don't see what that graphic, which displays a totally, different reality, has to do with their message.

[Edited 3/8/12 7:33am]

I can't speak for the athiest community but I think many of them believe that certain historical figures in the Bible existed but do not believe the miracles that are in the Bible. For example it is possible to believe that Jesus Christ was a real person and at the same time disbelieve that he was anything more than a normal man.

Even without the Bible we know that slavery has existed for nearly as long as humanity has existed so in this case I do not see any conflict.

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Reply #25 posted 03/08/12 8:21am

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i think as a response ot the state declaring it "the year of the bible" it is perfectly fair.

if it had been unprovoked by that i would find it rather extreme.

but as a reaction to a idiot bill that is unconstitutional and completely against everything the founding fathers stood for in terms of seperation of church and state and america as religiously free gov't, i think its fair.

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rialb said:

Eh, there's some things in the Bible that are abhorrent, what's wrong with pointing them out? If Pennsylvanian politicians have decided that 2012 is the year of the bible I think it is fair to take the bad with the good.

agreed

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Reply #27 posted 03/08/12 8:36am

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TonyVanDam said:

namepeace said:

We can't speak definitively on what Christ did or didn't say about slavery, because the Gospels never claim to capture everything he said or did. See e.g. John 21:25.

And . . . Paul ain't Jesus.

Try telling THAT^ to every member of the USA's Bible Belt region. disbelief lol

Concerning Paul, there are reasonable doubts concerning which letters Paul actually wrote, if he wrote any of them at all. This discussion is a thread in itself. But be as it may, there are far more "Christians" that follow Paul a lot more than they follow Christ Jesus.

I'm a member of the Bible Belt region, and I don't believe that the Gospels contain all of Jesus' works and sayings . . .

Your statement about Christians following Paul has legs, though. Paul needs to be put in perspective. This book does a pretty good job of summariing it.

http://search.barnesandno...007c06197e

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Reply #28 posted 03/08/12 8:51am

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rialb said:

2elijah said:

I take it as the Atheists are comparing the slavery in the bible to the reality of African slavery in the past in this country, but in my opinion, the two doesn't come close. I'm curious though, if Atheists don't believe in God or that anything in the bible is true, then how can they compare the American enslavement of Africans(as well as, many descendants of enslaved African who were also enslaved back then) which was a reality, to something they don't believe is true or existed/exists at all?

The graphic portrays an uncomfortable reality for many, but I just don't see what that reality has to do with something an Atheist feel is fake. Now I know many have used and still use religion, as a means of power and control/brainwash/mentally enslave, etc., others with their own religious beliefs, just don't see what that graphic, which displays a totally, different reality, has to do with their message.

[Edited 3/8/12 7:33am]

I can't speak for the athiest community but I think many of them believe that certain historical figures in the Bible existed but do not believe the miracles that are in the Bible. For example it is possible to believe that Jesus Christ was a real person and at the same time disbelieve that he was anything more than a normal man.

Even without the Bible we know that slavery has existed for nearly as long as humanity has existed so in this case I do not see any conflict.

Thanks for explaining, but I still don't see what their message has to do with a picture of an enslaved, African man with that device around his neck. It giives a completely different message of its own, and overshadows the intention of their message, because that graphic sends more of a 'physical' message, not a 'mental' one.

I gather their message is more about 'brainwashing' or 'mental slavery', moreso than physcial slavery. You can hurt a person physically with a chain around their neck, but you can't force them to embrace your religious beliefs. Which is why that graphic contrasts with their message. They could have just put an image of the bible and that would have connected more to the message they were trying to send. Looking at the pic, it sends two completely, different messages.

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rialb said:

Eh, there's some things in the Bible that are abhorrent, what's wrong with pointing them out? If Pennsylvanian politicians have decided that 2012 is the year of the bible I think it is fair to take the bad with the good.

Biblically speaking, It contains information on different "dispensational" periods "Gods dealings with man" Some have have tried to make that clear by using the age of Innocence the age of Human Government, the age of Promise... Law... Grace and I believe there is to be 1 or 2 more left

example the age of Law and the Levitical code was given specifially to the Hebrew people to live. There are examples of it such as Moses father in law not being a part of that 'covenant' but still God speak and dealing with him differently.

and this is a huge subject of that people and period chosen to bring in the messiah, the messiah fullfilling the law and bring in the period of Grace opened to Jew & Gentile...

So people who bring up things in the Levitical code to say "this is what God is saying to everyone" is not correct. Even the apostles(who the 12 were Hebrew) said in one of the letters "don't teach the law to the gentile christians just remind them not to take part in fornication, eating of blood and things offered to idols"

I think the "year of the Bible" thing is silly

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