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Conservative Think Tanks: Teachers Are Overpaid

As I always say, follow the money....

http://slatest.slate.com/...rpaid.html

"The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
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Reply #1 posted 11/07/11 1:05pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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rudedog said:

As I always say, follow the money....

http://slatest.slate.com/...rpaid.html

Disgraceful. Teachers need to be making 2/3 times what they do.

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Reply #2 posted 11/07/11 6:01pm

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teachers work 185 days a year the average worker 250 so at $50K for a teacher is $67,700 not bad adjusted for work days.

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Reply #3 posted 11/07/11 6:57pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rudedog said:

As I always say, follow the money....

http://slatest.slate.com/...rpaid.html

Disgraceful. Teachers need to be making 2/3 times what they do.

Do you mean two to three times what they currently make?

It's not what you wrote.

I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think.
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Reply #4 posted 11/07/11 7:02pm

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SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Disgraceful. Teachers need to be making 2/3 times what they do.

Do you mean two to three times what they currently make?

It's not what you wrote.

Yes and you are correct. As usual lol

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Reply #5 posted 11/07/11 7:03pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

teachers work 185 days a year the average worker 250 so at $50K for a teacher is $67,700 not bad adjusted for work days.

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

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Reply #6 posted 11/07/11 7:08pm

SUPRMAN

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

teachers work 185 days a year the average worker 250 so at $50K for a teacher is $67,700 not bad adjusted for work days.

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

Wouldn't privatized education still require teachers?

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Reply #7 posted 11/07/11 7:09pm

SUPRMAN

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

teachers work 185 days a year the average worker 250 so at $50K for a teacher is $67,700 not bad adjusted for work days.

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

If private schools paid more would you be ok with that?

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Reply #8 posted 11/07/11 7:09pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

Wouldn't privatized education still require teachers?

Of course. If you can villify public teachers, it makes it easier for the public to agree to take the raping path.

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Reply #9 posted 11/07/11 7:25pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SUPRMAN said:

Wouldn't privatized education still require teachers?

Of course. If you can villify public teachers, it makes it easier for the public to agree to take the raping path.

People support schools locally. If one wanted their teachers to be paid more, nothing, other than maybe the teacher's union is stopping them from paying local teachers more. They can use the ballot to designate a levy that will be used only to increase teacher's salaries.

People control what teachers make, so I don't buy people wanting them to earn more. Sure, they say they do, but they don't act on it to make it happen.

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Reply #10 posted 11/07/11 7:38pm

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SUPRMAN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Of course. If you can villify public teachers, it makes it easier for the public to agree to take the raping path.

People support schools locally. If one wanted their teachers to be paid more, nothing, other than maybe the teacher's union is stopping them from paying local teachers more. They can use the ballot to designate a levy that will be used only to increase teacher's salaries.

People control what teachers make, so I don't buy people wanting them to earn more. Sure, they say they do, but they don't act on it to make it happen.

Of course they don't. They are fed the villification and they respond in ways that harm the teachers rather than help them. Unions are dead so there is no real advocate for the teacher against the corporate vampires.

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Reply #11 posted 11/07/11 7:48pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

teachers work 185 days a year the average worker 250 so at $50K for a teacher is $67,700 not bad adjusted for work days.

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

and they all knew that going in no?

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Reply #12 posted 11/07/11 8:13pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

and they all knew that going in no?

They're teaching the overwhelming majority of kids that will be the backbone of the country when you are retiring.

We might want to treat them with a little more respect.

[Edited 11/7/11 20:13pm]

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Reply #13 posted 11/07/11 8:38pm

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Nothing really surprising here, you can probably put any middle class job in replace of teachers, and the ending line would be the same. However, they wouldn't say the same thing about CEOs. They earn their golden parachutes.

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Reply #14 posted 11/07/11 8:40pm

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Nothing really surprising here, you can probably put any middle class job in replace of teachers, and the ending line would be the same. However, they wouldn't say the same thing about CEOs. They earn their golden parachutes.

or any job that unions have a high influence on pay.

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Reply #15 posted 11/07/11 8:56pm

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namepeace said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and they all knew that going in no?

They're teaching the overwhelming majority of kids that will be the backbone of the country when you are retiring.

We might want to treat them with a little more respect.

[Edited 11/7/11 20:13pm]

Thank you.

Even if they knew that "going in", it only shows the dedication of these individuals who are determined to teach the future of our country even if it means that a substantial part of their income is dedicated to providing for the students out of their own pockets.

This mindset is the death of this cuntry and it will be expelled like a poisonous abcess in the human body. It will either kill or be excised. It is being dealt with as we speak by many who are waking up across the country.

OWS

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Reply #16 posted 11/07/11 9:00pm

buist

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Who then have to buy their own supplies, take on the burdens society won't fix and then get blamed by those whose mission is to privatize education so they have one more venue to rape society with.

and they all knew that going in no?

some may thrive(or have a desire) on the challenging school districts. Others simply took jobs where they could find them. With any profession, the desire is to have the "good" jobs, but their is just so many "good" jobs out their.

Not to mention that the environment of when they began their career (in college taking courses) is different from the enviroment now with funding being cut.

Also not to mention, with any profession you don't really know until you land your first job (unless you have an internship, which could give you a perspective (as long as the internship is somewhat comparable to your first job)).

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Isn't there a viral video of Chris Christie and a teacher in Jersey covering this?

Teachers make a shit salary for what they have to put up with. However, it's rare for anybody to bring up all the perks they enjoy like tenure, incredible retirement packages that communities have to continue to pay for decades, and more. When you factor all of that in, they make a ton of money compared to their peers as shown in the report by the Heritage Foundation (a report it seems nobody in here has read).

I would argue that teachers aren't overpaid, they're just paid incorrectly. A HUGE portion of a schools yearly budget goes towards paying teachers who are no longer in the classroom. In other words, the students suffer today because of the "advances" in collective barganing in the Public Sector. I support Unions on some issues, and do not support them on others. This is one area I cannot agree with. Sticking the local communities with retirement packages that are unsustainable is incredibly bad form. One could argue that the communities get what they deserve by agreeing to those packages. But they have no alternative. When you're pointing the finger of shame at groups because teachers have to buy their own supplies, make sure you include the NEA as well.

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buist said:

Nothing really surprising here, you can probably put any middle class job in replace of teachers, and the ending line would be the same. However, they wouldn't say the same thing about CEOs. They earn their golden parachutes.

These are Public sector middle class jobs. Therefore, why not keep the comparison and substitute Public Sector CEOs. Their golden parachutes are on the backs of the people too, right? And they can enforce their parachutes by rule of law and threat of force.

Let the teachers make huge salaries and get rid of the unfunded liabilities. Local communities are being destroyed because of the current arrangement. They are counting on State funding which is counting on Federal funding more and more and more.

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Reply #19 posted 11/07/11 10:25pm

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Dauphin said:

Isn't there a viral video of Chris Christie and a teacher in Jersey covering this?

Teachers make a shit salary for what they have to put up with. However, it's rare for anybody to bring up all the perks they enjoy like tenure, incredible retirement packages that communities have to continue to pay for decades, and more. When you factor all of that in, they make a ton of money compared to their peers as shown in the report by the Heritage Foundation (a report it seems nobody in here has read).

I would argue that teachers aren't overpaid, they're just paid incorrectly. A HUGE portion of a schools yearly budget goes towards paying teachers who are no longer in the classroom. In other words, the students suffer today because of the "advances" in collective barganing in the Public Sector. I support Unions on some issues, and do not support them on others. This is one area I cannot agree with. Sticking the local communities with retirement packages that are unsustainable is incredibly bad form. One could argue that the communities get what they deserve by agreeing to those packages. But they have no alternative. When you're pointing the finger of shame at groups because teachers have to buy their own supplies, make sure you include the NEA as well.

Paying retiring teachers of today for the work they put in MANY YEARS AGO is doing exactly what needs to be done. They did the work and they should be compensated for educating the children of yesteryear who are now today's adults. The same people advocating that these teachers receive nothing for their decades of service are the same people arguing that CEOs should receive 100 million in golden parachute compensation while the workforce of their corporation is asked to do more and more for less and less.

Corporatists have it ALL WRONG. The country needs to see how misplaced their priorities are.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dauphin said:

Isn't there a viral video of Chris Christie and a teacher in Jersey covering this?

Teachers make a shit salary for what they have to put up with. However, it's rare for anybody to bring up all the perks they enjoy like tenure, incredible retirement packages that communities have to continue to pay for decades, and more. When you factor all of that in, they make a ton of money compared to their peers as shown in the report by the Heritage Foundation (a report it seems nobody in here has read).

I would argue that teachers aren't overpaid, they're just paid incorrectly. A HUGE portion of a schools yearly budget goes towards paying teachers who are no longer in the classroom. In other words, the students suffer today because of the "advances" in collective barganing in the Public Sector. I support Unions on some issues, and do not support them on others. This is one area I cannot agree with. Sticking the local communities with retirement packages that are unsustainable is incredibly bad form. One could argue that the communities get what they deserve by agreeing to those packages. But they have no alternative. When you're pointing the finger of shame at groups because teachers have to buy their own supplies, make sure you include the NEA as well.

Paying retiring teachers of today for the work they put in MANY YEARS AGO is doing exactly what needs to be done. They did the work and they should be compensated for educating the children of yesteryear who are now today's adults. The same people advocating that these teachers receive nothing for their decades of service are the same people arguing that CEOs should receive 100 million in golden parachute compensation while the workforce of their corporation is asked to do more and more for less and less.

Corporatists have it ALL WRONG. The country needs to see how misplaced their priorities are.

Last year I read an article that explained that there is a gap in pension funding of $500 Billion. There was a report that Conneticut pays about 4 percent of it's State Budget as pensions. There has to be a better way to compensate teachers. I support upfront pay. Let them invest their money for their own retirement funds and medical plans.

Public Sector CEOs aren't the problem here. They are a separate issue.

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Reply #21 posted 11/07/11 11:03pm

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Dauphin said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Paying retiring teachers of today for the work they put in MANY YEARS AGO is doing exactly what needs to be done. They did the work and they should be compensated for educating the children of yesteryear who are now today's adults. The same people advocating that these teachers receive nothing for their decades of service are the same people arguing that CEOs should receive 100 million in golden parachute compensation while the workforce of their corporation is asked to do more and more for less and less.

Corporatists have it ALL WRONG. The country needs to see how misplaced their priorities are.

Last year I read an article that explained that there is a gap in pension funding of $500 Billion. There was a report that Conneticut pays about 4 percent of it's State Budget as pensions. There has to be a better way to compensate teachers. I support upfront pay. Let them invest their money for their own retirement funds and medical plans.

Public Sector CEOs aren't the problem here. They are a separate issue.

We live in a world where CEOs earn 100 million for nothing while pensions have been descimated by the scandalous actions of Wall Street. CEO exorbatant pay is very relevant to the idea that we have "no money" to do the right thing. There is more than enough money to pay rich white men but not enough to pay everyone else. Please.

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When a teacher has to pay for the students supplies out of his/her own pocket something is fucking wrong. N don't act like this doesnt happen on a weekly basis.

A person doesnt teach to make money.

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Reply #23 posted 11/08/11 4:37am

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namepeace said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and they all knew that going in no?

They're teaching the overwhelming majority of kids that will be the backbone of the country when you are retiring.

We might want to treat them with a little more respect.

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Respect them by stopping the practice of using test scores and student behavior as part of teacher evaluations. Or maybe accept that not everyone is going to collage. Or by accepting that when 20% to 30% of the kids in a class are either special ed or should be or have emotional problems and provide the necessary supports. That is respect.

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Reply #24 posted 11/08/11 4:41am

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When a teacher has to pay for the students supplies out of his/her own pocket something is fucking wrong. N don't act like this doesnt happen on a weekly basis.

A person doesnt teach to make money.

I doubt that is very wide spread beyond a few 2 or 3 dollars a week. I know that local teachers get a $200 stipend to pay for supplies. So that is $5 or $6 a week. So that is something.

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Reply #25 posted 11/08/11 4:52am

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This year, the GOP successfully made teachers, cops and firefighters the bad guys. Can you believe that? They actually made those people look lie freeloaders.

And think about this: the most recent GOP talking point is this "I am the 53%" nonsense. You know - statistics say that 47% of Americans pay no federal taxes. So the GOP wants to demonize them as freeloaders, and wants them to start paying "their fair share".

Well, you can guess that all the teachers, cops and firefighters are in the freeloading 47%. But guess who else is, too?

Our military!

So now, according to our friends in the GOP, our soldiers are freeloaders, not freedom fighters.

Incredible!

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dauphin said:

Last year I read an article that explained that there is a gap in pension funding of $500 Billion. There was a report that Conneticut pays about 4 percent of it's State Budget as pensions. There has to be a better way to compensate teachers. I support upfront pay. Let them invest their money for their own retirement funds and medical plans.

Public Sector CEOs aren't the problem here. They are a separate issue.

We live in a world where CEOs earn 100 million for nothing while pensions have been descimated by the scandalous actions of Wall Street. CEO exorbatant pay is very relevant to the idea that we have "no money" to do the right thing. There is more than enough money to pay rich white men but not enough to pay everyone else. Please.

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Reply #27 posted 11/08/11 5:41am

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lazycrockett said:

When a teacher has to pay for the students supplies out of his/her own pocket something is fucking wrong. N don't act like this doesnt happen on a weekly basis.

Does that happen in the US? That's crazy!

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Reply #28 posted 11/08/11 6:32am

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lazycrockett said:

When a teacher has to pay for the students supplies out of his/her own pocket something is fucking wrong. N don't act like this doesnt happen on a weekly basis.

Does that happen in the US? That's crazy!

Yes,it happens here in the US nod

Teachers have one of the most important jobs in the world and yet their salary doesn't reflect this.

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Reply #29 posted 11/08/11 7:09am

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Cloudbuster said:



SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:




Dauphin said:




Last year I read an article that explained that there is a gap in pension funding of $500 Billion. There was a report that Conneticut pays about 4 percent of it's State Budget as pensions. There has to be a better way to compensate teachers. I support upfront pay. Let them invest their money for their own retirement funds and medical plans.



Public Sector CEOs aren't the problem here. They are a separate issue.




We live in a world where CEOs earn 100 million for nothing while pensions have been descimated by the scandalous actions of Wall Street. CEO exorbatant pay is very relevant to the idea that we have "no money" to do the right thing. There is more than enough money to pay rich white men but not enough to pay everyone else. Please.




clapping Right-wingers are cunts.



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