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Reply #240 posted 08/10/11 10:56am

2elijah

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SquirrelMeat said:

2elijah said:

The thing is, I heard someone named Victoria Jackson on RT news yesterday, state that there is an increase in the stop and search by police to many youths who live in communities of color. She also stated there is a lack of youth employment, recreational programs, and most can't afford to attend youth clubs that were once free, and some of their frustrations are due to many programs for the youth being cut. She states that now many youth are hanging out in the streets with not much to do and end up falling prey to criminal activity, like joining gangs, etc.. Do you agree with her on this?

I think those sorts of questions are more about the red and blue of politics than black and white of the population.

I would believe stats that show stop and search are more likely in areas with minorty population, but I think that is indicitive of the UK immigration policy leading to ghetto like areas of poverty, and proverty mothers crime.

There is youth unemployment, Why? Lots of reasons, the economy being the main one. But also, the welfare culture is so ingrained there are generations who suck off the state rather than get a job for no extra money. Secondly, there are plenty of jobs on the bottom rung, but the English youth are turning there noses up at them. They want something for nothing. I regularly employ people and I'm shocked by the lack of care or respect from the UK youth compared to the hard working Europeans.

Youth hanging out on streets is nothing new. Youth not having anywhere to go is nothing new. Youth moaning about their prospects in nothing new.

Youths smashing up communities in volume is new.

There isn't one defining thing that is causing this, but to me anyway, the last labour government set this timebomb. The immigration policy has been a disaster, and Labour let in millions of soon to be labour votes with no real plan to tackle the effect on already over populated communities. It has created ghettos like never before, and huge resentement from the general population.

Secondly, they let political correctness ruin our childrens morals. Parents smacking kids, banned. Teacher repremanding pupils, banned. Police stopped answering non urgent crime 10 years ago. Speed cameras over robbery. The result? Kids who don't fear or have no respect for the police, the schools or their parents.

Interesting points. Some of what you state about the youth turning their noses up at specific jobs, yes that's been happening here a while too, but then some Americans get pissed off, if illegal immigrants or foreigners take those jobs.

I suppose the issue of youths hanging out with nothing to do, is also another problem that is not new in the states as well.

In the U.S. we also have an over-population problem and yes many immigrants have been given government stipends/reduced rents and other resources, over the years, to help them get started as new citizens, while hard-working middle-class Americans, who paid into the system, are given a hard time and looked-down upon, when they lose their job, and choose to collect unemployment insurance or receive other government resources, temporarily, until they get back on their feet. I also feel there is an unfair perception on who the Americans at the top of the welfare rolls in this country, with the stereotypical belief that it is Black Americans, which is not true, because there are many legal immigrants here pulling from the welfare system, as well as non-black, poor American residents, that are generational welfare recipients, but their stories/lifestyles never seem to be highlighted in the media.

Also, about the parenting problem...major issue in America. Many parents have absolutely no control over their kids, and the lack of home-training is visible. As far as respect to the elders, it doesn't exist in a large part of American society. You will find this among many groups, doesn't matter what racial/ethnic group one belongs to. To those parents who do instill decent/respectable values in their children, thank goodness for those that do exist.

Many of our students in our public school system disrespect their teachers, and many teachers find themselves in a position of surrogate parent moreso than teacher, because they have to deal with "parenting" many students who are out-of-control, where the parent should be the one in control of teaching them morals/values/respect.

America has had a history of gangs for years, from every walk of life, and in present-day, that concern seems to be at the bottom of the barrel to elected officials. Many Americans turn-the-other cheek, if the problem isn't in their communities, and leave it as that "other community's problem". Sadly, most of those communities don't have the resources to deal with the gang/crime/drug problems that infest their communities or enough recreational/career programs and other programs needed, within their communities, to deal/educate and discuss other social/health/educational concerns within their communties.

You will hear of a child getting shot while playing in a park, and it blows over as everyday news in our society, especially if it's not in one's community. It seems some have become immune to caring about the priority of keeping American children safe and protected, from those who choose a life of crime. I find many of our youth are "ice cold" and morals and values don't exist in them. Sad but true. Then we're dealing with parents who are M.I.A. as parents, in many households, leaving one parent to take on the responsibility/care for their child(ren). It's a cold world, and it seems many of these problems mentioned, is not limited to one country, but is a global issue among many.

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As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #241 posted 08/10/11 12:26pm

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davetherave6767 said:

evillol London is a crap place anyway......the people there r rude/selfish........There is an im alright jack culture in london....no body looks u in the eye no 1 goes out there way 2 say hello....Ive quite enjoyed watching the riots...couldnt happen 2 nicer people....

Dude, that is bollocks.

Co-sign, that is utter bollocks, London is one of the friendlist places in the UK IMO - and anyway dave look at all the northern cities that are having riots now too.

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Reply #242 posted 08/10/11 12:28pm

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Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:

I hate to say this, but this could not happen in America.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #243 posted 08/10/11 12:30pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:

I hate to say this, but this could not happen in America.

Yes it could....it already did...Rodney King....remember?

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Reply #244 posted 08/10/11 12:32pm

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Note to involved kids:

In Grand auto theft you get extra points for these kind of actions.

However, IRL, there is no "replay" button when the game is over.

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #245 posted 08/10/11 12:39pm

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I'm avoiding most of it. Just too depressing.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #246 posted 08/10/11 12:44pm

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I'm avoiding most of it. Just too depressing.

Well, most of the well-known American cable news stations are not dedicating much time to what's going on in the Uk. You have to either go to the PBS news stations or CNN international or RT news to find further info on the status /reporting of the situation.

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As an American you have a right to question/call your country out on its wrongs/injustices. That doesn’t make you un-American nor does anyone have a right to tell you to leave, because you have the courage to stand up against any injustice in this count
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Reply #247 posted 08/10/11 12:58pm

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The ugly consequences of the revolting wealth disparity are showing themselves once again. Thank you capitalism.

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[Edited 8/9/11 14:10pm]

And things aren't likely to change any time soon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk...of-century

I wish the worst upon these thieving cunts.

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Reply #248 posted 08/10/11 2:42pm

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Well, the stock market tanked and we know that's much more important here than a whole society falling apart.

And before the right goes on about this being the results of socialist state policy gone crazy, remember that the top social democracies are calm.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #249 posted 08/10/11 4:39pm

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Come and visit, its not a war zone! biggrin



The whole race thing will probably never go away, and there is no doubt there are injustices, but I think the biggest problem is the race card gets pulled far too often, even when its obvious they are guilty.



The Duggan case could well be one of those. I hear lots of shouting about him being black, but I don't hear a lot of those same defenders denying he was armed. He was a known gang member in his area.



Those pulling the race card every time are making it ten times worse for legitimate claims of abuse.



Overall the race issue seems far worse in the US. Over here, it tends to be immigration, and the impact that has on jobs and housing.


Agree.

It may not seem like it now but London is one of greatest cities, been many places around the world but i wouldn't live anywhere else. I dont see racism as bad here as ive seen in different countries the worse place ive saw it was when i was staying in Toronto, the least was Europe and of course London. So the race stuff that is trying to get pulled a lot shouldn't just causes more complication. Things have happened decades ago, but with all this all races are out looting and comitting crimes together, its about sections of society that has other issues.

As for Duggan at the end of the day he was a armed drug dealer and guns are illegal. They say that they didnt have to shoot him to die but if ur waving a gun at police whether its real or not i think the police have a right to shoot. You know if wanna live by the sword...walking around wanting to be a bad man expect trouble to come you, the guy was a grown man of a father of four(?)what the hell was he on. When your walking around with drugs n guns and expect to end up dead or in jail. I feel more sorry for his kids.
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Reply #250 posted 08/10/11 4:48pm

Gunsnhalen

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V10LETBLUES said:

The shooting was horrible. The riots are horrible.

But when are the adults going to step.

Forget the police, I would have no problem if the shop owners armed themselves and shot to kill. Sometimes animals will not respond to anything else. Because when people turn to looting and random violence, they are no longer humans, but animals.


[Edited 8/10/11 5:53am]

The adults have already been "stepping". Many communities in London last night were self-policed with people of all stripes turning out to protect each other and their properties. No guns in sight nor needed.

It was great and very heartening to see.

Here's one report:

http://www.telegraph.co.u...-back.html

Hey, when push come's to shove sometimes you got to protect your friend's and loved one's!

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #251 posted 08/10/11 5:54pm

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I love the UK as we do things like this: Operation Cup OfTea

http://www.operationcupoftea.com/

http://www.operationcupoftea.com/shop/

#OperationCupOfTea

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=261568193854371

The online home of the anti-riot tea movement. Mission is simple: to unite everyone against the riots as a show of solidarity during these difficult times. All monies will be donated to those in need #riotcleanup

People are posting pictures the great brittish cuppa.

Even the police are posting pictures

To see more pictures: http://www.facebook.com/m...amp;type=1

http://twitter.com/#!/Riotcleanup

http://riotscleanup.wordpress.com/

If anyone can help by donating the items:

Nappies, Ladies sanitary wares, mobile phone chargers, cutlery, saucepans, kitchen utensils and crockery. Please drop this in at:

Tottenham Green Leisure Centre
1 Philip Lane
N15 4JA

Today in most comunities they have set up a system report the riots quickly, most people are uniting to make sure our citys are safe.

Sikh speaker: "We will not tolerate the tyranny, but we will not react either. We are capable, but we will not do it."

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Reply #252 posted 08/10/11 6:08pm

TypoQueen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14481061

This mans son died during the riots, he pleaded to all to stop, it was so heart breaking to watch him on tv trying to stay strong while his heart was breaking. Proud caring man trying to make sure no one else would have to feel his pain.

Mr Jahan said losing a family member was something no mother, father, son or sister should endure.

"Today, we stand here to call to all the youth to remain calm, for our communities to stay united," he said.

"As we stand here today, this is not a race issue. The families have received messages of sympathy and support from all parts of the communities - from all faiths, all colours and backgrounds."

He appealed for people to respect the memories of their sons by staying away from trouble and not going out.

"I have lost my son - if you want to lose yours step forward, otherwise calm down and go home."

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Reply #253 posted 08/10/11 6:40pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:

I hate to say this, but this could not happen in America.

That was a great video! glad he got to speak

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #254 posted 08/10/11 7:03pm

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catpark said:

SUPRMAN said:

Because Britain doesn't have the money. Certainly not by choice. No one imagines cuts are going to win a popularity contest.

I know there is a recession on has been for few years. We recently had to give Ireland billions to help them with there recession. And i don't get where your getting that idea from but its definitely not about some popularity contest, its not a game, its not Oscar night in Hollywood. This is about peoples lives, cuts being made in the wrong places where its affecting parts of society.

People can always pay more taxes and reverse the cuts.

Cuts have to be made. The U.S. is facing the same choice but our backs aren't to the wall yet.

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Reply #255 posted 08/11/11 1:32am

Harlepolis

Did anybody see this?

[img:$uid]http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2011/08/483212.jpg.indyscaled.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #256 posted 08/11/11 2:38am

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Harlepolis said:

Did anybody see this?

[img:$uid]http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2011/08/483212.jpg.indyscaled.jpg[/img:$uid]

No comment......

hmm

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Reply #257 posted 08/11/11 5:07am

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BBC: The competing arguments used to explain the riots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...e-14483149

getting-too-old-for-this-edit

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Reply #258 posted 08/11/11 6:00am

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I don t agree with the title of the youtube video. She was being rude not racist.

2freaky4church1 said:

Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:

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Reply #259 posted 08/11/11 6:28am

razor

2freaky4church1 said:

Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:/p>



Not really. He only wants to see one side; one part of the problem. He seeks to take all and any responsibility away from those involved. Any sensible discussion of this and indeed any possible solutions need to recognise this is not a one-eyed issue.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #260 posted 08/11/11 8:33am

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Reply #261 posted 08/11/11 9:16am

DarlingDiana

It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.

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Reply #262 posted 08/11/11 9:50am

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DarlingDiana said:[quote]

It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.

[Edited 8/11/11 9:17am]

I'd be very surprised if any such laws are considered or passed. More likely (rightly or wrongly) is that the police get more legal freedom to tackle violent crowds.

As for what left-wing people think, whilst I agree that many will be inclined to imbue these events with motivations that fit a pre-existing political viewpoint, it would be wrong, in my opinion, to suggest they have nothing insightful or useful to say. Unsurprisingly it's usually the case that in any complex area, both sides of the political spectrum have valid points. The trick is to take the best of both based on their pragmatic as well as ideological merits. To me that is precisely what politics of the centre is I.e. Recognising a good idea or argument where you see it and not being afraid to adopt it simply because it does fit in with your preferred ideology.

In this instance, whilst I agree there was no particular political motivation for the riots, the fact they occurred is of course indicative of a very real social problem. It seems clear to me that any solution will absolutely need to incorporate the best ideas from across the political spectrum.

(As an aside, could I also make a request at this point that we keep this
thread on topic and not veer off into American socio-economic issues. Ta)

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #263 posted 08/11/11 9:57am

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DarlingDiana said:

It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.

[Edited 8/11/11 9:17am]

That's quite a broad brush you mop with.

But I do see it a bit curious how we in the west perceives this, and how we blessed the technology of Twitter, Facebook and instant messages for organizing and rallying the people in the middle east and Africa to challenge their governments. Whereas here, the officials are not applying the same blessed ointment on Blackberry's BBM or the ordinary citizens who rushed to the streets in protest/riot.

Ohh how we like to see the world only through the window with our favorite views.





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Reply #264 posted 08/11/11 10:31am

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ConsciousContact said:

I don t agree with the title of the youtube video. She was being rude not racist.

2freaky4church1 said:

Darcus Howe of the Guardian get's it right:

I don't agree with what he says, its nothing to do with an insurrection against the government, its not like the student protests which were for a valid cause, its basically kids being opportunistic and looting thinking they won't get caught or face consequences.

Yes she's not being racist at all (he is the one that is bringing race into it), the only offence is accusing him of rioting instead of 'demonstrating' however, even his wikipedia page seems to suggest he was involved in riots.

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Reply #265 posted 08/11/11 1:05pm

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I certainly believe that the riots were politically motivated.

The mis-/uneducated get it that they're are being ripped off and continuously lied to, and they are reacting.

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Reply #266 posted 08/11/11 1:30pm

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V10LETBLUES said:

DarlingDiana said:

It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.

[Edited 8/11/11 9:17am]

That's quite a broad brush you mop with.

But I do see it a bit curious how we in the west perceives this, and how we blessed the technology of Twitter, Facebook and instant messages for organizing and rallying the people in the middle east and Africa to challenge their governments. Whereas here, the officials are not applying the same blessed ointment on Blackberry's BBM or the ordinary citizens who rushed to the streets in protest/riot.

Ohh how we like to see the world only through the window with our favorite views.





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It's a very soft brush I'm mopping with actually. I'm censoring myself because the minute you say they are drug-fucked, spoiled, stupid kids who think it's fun to fuck shit up, then you've crossed the line of sensitivity. These spoiled shits living in a first-world democracy think they are fucking Tunisians. And left-wing retards around the world think they are too! Comparing this shit to the Arab spring. What the fuck? The poor, oppressed welfare recipients of the UK with free health care, public transport, public amenities, democratic elections, torching family owned businesses because the government made some budget cuts. Give me a break!

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Reply #267 posted 08/11/11 1:37pm

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DarlingDiana said:



V10LETBLUES said:




DarlingDiana said:


It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.


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That's quite a broad brush you mop with.




But I do see it a bit curious how we in the west perceives this, and how we blessed the technology of Twitter, Facebook and instant messages for organizing and rallying the people in the middle east and Africa to challenge their governments. Whereas here, the officials are not applying the same blessed ointment on Blackberry's BBM or the ordinary citizens who rushed to the streets in protest/riot.



Ohh how we like to see the world only through the window with our favorite views.











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It's a very soft brush I'm mopping with actually. I'm censoring myself because the minute you say they are drug-fucked, spoiled, stupid kids who think it's fun to fuck shit up, then you've crossed the line of sensitivity. These spoiled shits living in a first-world democracy think they are fucking Tunisians. And left-wing retards around the world think they are too! Comparing this shit to the Arab spring. What the fuck? The poor, oppressed welfare recipients of the UK with free health care, public transport, public amenities, democratic elections, torching family owned businesses because the government made some budget cuts. Give me a break!



In many ways: quite right. In others, very stereotyped and unhelpful. The fact is, these people exist. The questions then are: why, and what do we do to change their mentality?
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Reply #268 posted 08/11/11 1:39pm

razor

Rightly said:

I certainly believe that the riots were politically motivated.


The mis-/uneducated get it that they're are being ripped off and continuously lied to, and they are reacting.



Expound please.
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Reply #269 posted 08/11/11 1:44pm

razor

razor said:

DarlingDiana said:



V10LETBLUES said:




DarlingDiana said:


It's disturbing that people in America look on at the riots in England with great despair that the same thing is not happening here. Are you nuts? Drunken teenagers ravaging the cities, driving fear into citizens, looting small businesses. You want that? I know what you want, you want a citizen's revolution. You want a lower/working class uprising. But don't mistake what is happening in England for a political revolution. They aren't targetting parliament house, or the banking instutions, they are targetting family owned small businesses, many of which are run by muslims and immigrants, so don't confuse this as being racial either. It's opportunistic. That's all it is. It wasn't a peaceful demonstration that got out of hand. Drunken punks just went nuts because they thought they had an opportunity to do so. What's really unfortunate about all this is that because left-wing people around the world who wishfully think these riots are politically and socio-economically motivated, the British Parliament will likely now covene to pass new laws on public demonstrations to further restrict real, legitimate political demonstrations.


[Edited 8/11/11 9:17am]




That's quite a broad brush you mop with.




But I do see it a bit curious how we in the west perceives this, and how we blessed the technology of Twitter, Facebook and instant messages for organizing and rallying the people in the middle east and Africa to challenge their governments. Whereas here, the officials are not applying the same blessed ointment on Blackberry's BBM or the ordinary citizens who rushed to the streets in protest/riot.



Ohh how we like to see the world only through the window with our favorite views.











[Edited 8/11/11 10:25am]




It's a very soft brush I'm mopping with actually. I'm censoring myself because the minute you say they are drug-fucked, spoiled, stupid kids who think it's fun to fuck shit up, then you've crossed the line of sensitivity. These spoiled shits living in a first-world democracy think they are fucking Tunisians. And left-wing retards around the world think they are too! Comparing this shit to the Arab spring. What the fuck? The poor, oppressed welfare recipients of the UK with free health care, public transport, public amenities, democratic elections, torching family owned businesses because the government made some budget cuts. Give me a break!



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[Edited 8/11/11 13:45pm]
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