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Reply #120 posted 08/09/11 4:35am

JOYJOY

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ISF said:

A woman is killed in her home and it is dismissed as an accident with no officers receiving any punishment whatsoever

An innocent man is shot 7 times in the head by police, only then for the police to make up lies about him jumping ticket barriers in a shameless attempt to justify his murder

A man holding a chair leg is shot and murdered in the street.

Nobody is convicted for any of these murders.


What evidence are you expecting? What justice are you expecting?

NONE of the idiots looting and burning in London and other cities had any of the above in mind when they run amok..

Reasonable minded people are now looking for a reason for what is happening. There is no protest or agenda the kids are simply bored, looking for free stuff and a bit of misguided excitement their only agenda is "what can I get".

The fact that there are hardly any Police officers (due the the government cuts) Hasnt gone unoticed either... a mob of 300 youths surrounded the Lavender Hill police station last night just taunting them because they could..

One minute they want peace……

Then do everything to make it go away. rolleyes
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Reply #121 posted 08/09/11 5:08am

ISF

dJJ said:

ISF said:

It is not irrelevant. It has to do with people believing whatever the government and police tell them, even if it goes against the majority of reports, evidence and logic. The police has killed, and got away with killing innocent civilians a number of times.

even if you would be right, that doesn't make these riots okay, would it?

This is just opportunity that makes the crime. Young agressive males making other people's life hell.

Just because they feel like it. IMO there is not excuse for this kind of violent behaviour.

I haven't excused this behaviour.

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Reply #122 posted 08/09/11 5:27am

catpark

SquirrelMeat said:



catpark said:


SquirrelMeat said:


So why is the problem not the resulting aftermath of the previous labour government who created the financal mess in the 70's and now?



And the sudent fees are a prime example of the greed and respect. Two sides to the argument. Those who want there lifestyle choice paid by others, and those that don't think they should have to. Both have a good case.



Two sides. But only one side was smashing streets and pissing on war memorials.



Its a complete cop out to blame the current government and not point out the source of the problem both financially and morally. These kids were born and or raised in Blairs Britain. Not Thatcher and not Cameron.



These problems are bigger than both parties.



I believe in free education I think a lot of people do wisdom and discipline is the key. The tution fees are making a new generation of people in debt coz they can't afford it but they want to better themselves by getting a degree. If parents could afford to pay they would realistically its not working out, a lot less kids are not going to uni. Thats not greed, war is greed. Theres no jobs they have nothing. I mean im not making excuses for them i was in the thatcher years and unemployment was high but i still went out doing my paper round at 12 yrs old, did my weekend jobs while at school and college, always found work when i was young i wasnt waiting for no govenment or anyone like my family to take care of me everything i have i went out and worked hard for it, and i wish these youths of today will have more ambition for themselves. But what needs to be address is why are they becoming like this, why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working? Why dont they wanna make there own money instead of wanting to steal others? Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them? Its coming from somewhere all this aggressive anger and hate, its not coming from nowhere.

I agree with free education. I got one.



But there is a big difference between free education and free further education.



But regardless of which side of the fence you sit on, pissing on war memorials, burning peoples homes and looting shops has nothing to do with it.



The problem lies firmly at the feet of the useless parents who's kids are doing this, greed / material culture and overpopulation caused by the inhability of successive governments to tackle immigration properly and its impact that population has on existing local communities.



Thats what i meant was further education to be free.
Of course looting peoples homes and bulidings is wrong. But it still doesnt address the underlining problem of why this is happening...these riot was planned its not just mindless youths(although there was plenty of them to) these riots where planned through blackberrys twitter etc. We're talking about 300 strong gangs at one time. They kept on saying on the news parents to get in contact with there children, im sure 99% of parents of the rioters did not know where there kids were that night and didnt know what they was up to and would be absolutely disgusted if they did.. Im a parent im lucky mine are grown and not into that. But i don't believe parents should be blame for everything, they can't control things like poverty, unemployement, cuts backs which plays a main part in this. I heard there was grown women with small kids looting an Argos down the Walworth rd near Elephant & castle. This isnt just youth a lot of older people were looting last night. Its like nobody dont care. They've lost respect for authority inturn makes them lose respect for themselves and the system. Its all a domino affect.
As for immigration yes it is a big problem here we are over populate but they can't be blamed for that, it was british people that was doing all the rioting and looting.
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Reply #123 posted 08/09/11 5:42am

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BBC news 24 now interviewing two teenage girls who participated in the riots.

"It was cool"

"We got loads of drink and stuff"

"We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"

"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"

When asked why they have been smashing up small local shops.

"They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"

"It was wicked".

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Reply #124 posted 08/09/11 5:59am

TypoQueen

Good people who care: https://twitter.com/#!/Riotcleanup

http://blogs.ft.com/fttechhub/2011/08/wombles-riotcleanup/#axzz1UX3ZC0tv

The modern-day Wombles behind Twitter’s #riotcleanup

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Reply #125 posted 08/09/11 6:04am

catpark

SquirrelMeat said:

BBC news 24 now interviewing two teenage girls who participated in the riots.



"It was cool"



"We got loads of drink and stuff"



"We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"



"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"



When asked why they have been smashing up small local shops.



"They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"



"It was wicked".


See, they don't care.
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Reply #126 posted 08/09/11 6:08am

JOYJOY

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SquirrelMeat said:

BBC news 24 now interviewing two teenage girls who participated in the riots.

"It was cool"

"We got loads of drink and stuff"

"We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"

"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"

When asked why they have been smashing up small local shops.

"They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"

"It was wicked".

No structure, no consequences, no fear of reprisals...

Yep that sounds about right.. these kids are simply bored, looking for free stuff and a bit

of misguided excitement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

[Edited 8/9/11 6:12am]

One minute they want peace……

Then do everything to make it go away. rolleyes
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Reply #127 posted 08/09/11 6:17am

razor

catpark said:

SquirrelMeat said:



catpark said:


pald1 said:



A little misguided but then any one think you're living in a warzone right now.



Got news for you. A labour govt would still have to enact tough austerity plans. This economic crisis is global and gonna get a lot worse. Whoever is in power hs no choice but to make cuts.



I live in central london, this is my London so STFU. Everyone around my area is wrong for securing there homes and staying in? The shop keepers closing up early are misguided? What are u on. We was worrying not knowing whether it was gonna spread to there area last night. I saw the aftermath of the Brixtion riots in 85 i use to live around there when i was kid, this is worse. And i seem to recall the Tories where in power then, and were in power in the 81 riots too. Cameron is a terrible leader he doesnt give no hope no morale to the youths and working class then treat them like scroungers and vermin, the youths are treated like there not part of society like they have no future, they've stopped caring, the Thatcher years was the same. This was a boiling pot waiting to explode.

The current government has only been in a little over a year and there weren't any jobs a year ago either. Do you really believe that these kids went from being caring citizens to criminal thugs in one year because of Cameron and his mates?



This is at a social fabric level. Greed culture. Lack of disipline. Lack of respect. Over population and no pride in the country they choose to live in.



This has been boiling for years.

Yes Labour lost coz of the state the country was in and there involvement with war etc, but since Tories being power for just over a year what have they done to make any positive changes? None quite the opposite all theyve done is made cuts and targeting the poor and vunerable for the mis shape Britian, when they pour billions into war and banks. Look when they cut the tution fees, protesters started smashing up everywhere. They've cut the police services, the police could not cope last night and were choosing stand back when the looting was happening then going in afterwards. Look at Clapham the police earlier knew there was going be riots heading that way they warned shop owers yesterday evening to close up, when it started the police were absent.
Yeah maybe it has been boiling for years but it happened in 81 Thatcher had only been in power for about two years. Not saying what them looters done was anyway right its terrible but I think it was just more than thuggery.


A few facts:

The bank bailouts happened under the labour govt, not the current one (not that I, blaming labour for that; entirely the right policy at the time).

UK unemployment is not higher than it was a year ago; indeed it is slightly lower.

Our spending on war has decreased not increased from 12 months ago.

Their have been cuts in the met police numbers. However they amount to 1.4% of the total force. Hardly enough to make any reasonable argument that they have somehow been a major factor in the last few days.
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Reply #128 posted 08/09/11 6:21am

SquirrelMeat

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catpark said:

SquirrelMeat said:

BBC news 24 now interviewing two teenage girls who participated in the riots.

"It was cool"

"We got loads of drink and stuff"

"We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"

"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"

When asked why they have been smashing up small local shops.

"They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"

"It was wicked".

See, they don't care.

Who ever thought they did?

These girls are obviously in the current free education system, so they are not being deprived there. They are not old enough for jobs, so the problem isn't there.

It points to morals, complete lack of. Fuck the police. Fuck the neighbours. Fuck the community. Its boiling back to same old "I don't fell I get respect, so fuck you" attitude that is rife across the country.

Gaining those morals doesn't come from Police or Governments. It has to come from Parents.

And if their viewpoint comes from dissolusioned parents, who have just had 13 years of a hand out socialist government, and still raise kids like that, then what hope is there?

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Reply #129 posted 08/09/11 6:45am

catpark

razor said:

catpark said:

Yes Labour lost coz of the state the country was in and there involvement with war etc, but since Tories being power for just over a year what have they done to make any positive changes? None quite the opposite all theyve done is made cuts and targeting the poor and vunerable for the mis shape Britian, when they pour billions into war and banks. Look when they cut the tution fees, protesters started smashing up everywhere. They've cut the police services, the police could not cope last night and were choosing stand back when the looting was happening then going in afterwards. Look at Clapham the police earlier knew there was going be riots heading that way they warned shop owers yesterday evening to close up, when it started the police were absent.
Yeah maybe it has been boiling for years but it happened in 81 Thatcher had only been in power for about two years. Not saying what them looters done was anyway right its terrible but I think it was just more than thuggery.


A few facts:

The bank bailouts happened under the labour govt, not the current one (not that I, blaming labour for that; entirely the right policy at the time).

UK unemployment is not higher than it was a year ago; indeed it is slightly lower.

Our spending on war has decreased not increased from 12 months ago.

Their have been cuts in the met police numbers. However they amount to 1.4% of the total force. Hardly enough to make any reasonable argument that they have somehow been a major factor in the last few days.

Those unemployment figures are debatable imo, there has been so many cuts since they got into power. If u think the UK govenment are doing good and its not enough to moan about, why is there so much violence of rioting and looting burning of buildings in London over the past 3 days?
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Reply #130 posted 08/09/11 7:02am

TypoQueen

It is the daily fail but is a good read, click link to see video: http://www.dailymail.co.u...ckney.html

http://youtu.be/6SHKhvVjLIc

very brave woman

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Reply #131 posted 08/09/11 7:05am

dJJ

catpark said:


But what needs to be address is why are they becoming like this,
why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?
Why dont they wanna make there own money instead of wanting to steal others?
Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?
Its coming from somewhere all this aggressive anger and hate, its not coming from nowhere.

For me, these are the pivotal questions. I'm interested in what you all think of the possible answers to these questions. Here's my go"

Q: why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?

A: "They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"

They feel corrupted by rich people. They feel treated as cheap labor, not worthy (literally) in the eyes of the fortunate. The experience that they have little power and control over the course of their lives, because that is predestined by the fortunate private school people. No matter how hard they will work, their effort will pay the bosses, not benefit themselves. They are frustrated over belittlement and experienced exploitation. They out their frustration and anger by showing that they can execute power too.

Q: Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?

A: "We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"

It seems they feel powerless en overruled. As if nothing that they will do will get them anywhere.

The hippies in the 60's were all about ideals, love and kindness. However, while preaching their hippie values, their behaviour was not in concordance. They were screwing eachother executing powerplay, neglecting their children in the name of freedom, getting drunk and high excused by liberating the mind. While hanging out and not working. As soon as their time came and got into decision making jobs themselves, all of their hippie values dissapeared. Their hunger for power and money was decisive for producing un inhumane and environmentally hostile circumstance. However, they didn't care anymore, the European babyboom hippies appeared to be greedy, indifferent, arrogant bunch. They are the leaders of today.

Their children grew up with limited boundaries. Listening to adults who are talking about ideals, however behave as savages in the work place. They observed (or participated) the strikes and protests in the 80's and noticed that it didn't make any difference. Governements just do whatever they want. They din't care about longterm consequences. The choices they made were beneficial to their own generation and their fellow class members. They said it wasn't so, however, their behaviour spoke different.

The current generation is fed with music that propagates aggression towards police and members of other races. Youth doesn't read history, they only read the history that excuses their race and clanmembers. So, every skin color has their history on economics througout the century, and they are all right. However, they don't want to know about the other's sides' story and integrate aggression and exploitation in their own identity. Througout history both races have committed atrocities and brutalities. However, blaiming the other and victimization wins over soul search.

Throughout history, leaders allways showed to just serve their own personal cause in stead of the wellbeing of every inhabitant of the country (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kennedy, Reagan, Tatcher, Hitler and the rest of the bunch), every system failed, time and time again it was proven that it's not about love and kindness, however, it's about lying, cheating and manipulating in order to get rich yourself.

In that defeated, bittered and depressed state, young people don't empower themselves with positivity. They get self destructive. Just like the prior generations have destructed the earth and it's inhabitants.

"It was cool"

"We got loads of drink and stuff"

"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"

Yes, it sounds as if they have no clue, and this might be so. However, the frustrated, bored and poor people have nothing to loose. And that is dangerous, when there is nothing to win anymore for a generation, why should they care?

"It was wicked".

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #132 posted 08/09/11 7:13am

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The copycat idiots here in Birmingham are winning.. pissed

We have been asked to leave for home now as trouble is spreading, (its only 3pm in the afternoon) They are currently running amok in the Jewelry Quarter now and supposedly making their merry way to the city centre AGAIN..

sigh

I have zero sympathy for these selfish kids, right now they need to know that this isnt a game. I hope the water cannons come out..

*goes home*

too angry to spell edit

[Edited 8/9/11 7:14am]

One minute they want peace……

Then do everything to make it go away. rolleyes
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Reply #133 posted 08/09/11 7:17am

dJJ

JOYJOY said:

The copycat idiots here in Birmingham are winning.. pissed

We have been asked to leave for home now as trouble is spreading, (its only 3pm in the afternoon) They are currently running amok in the Jewelry Quarter now and supposedly making their merry way to the city centre AGAIN..

sigh

I have zero sympathy for these selfish kids, right now they need to know that this isnt a game. I hope the water cannons come out..

*goes home*

too angry to spell edit

[Edited 8/9/11 7:14am]

wish you well comfort

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Reply #134 posted 08/09/11 7:19am

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elmer said:

London's a lovely place.

No home training. Unbelievable. That idiot that went into that guy's bag and robbed him, even though he saw he was hurt, what an animal. disbelief

[Edited 8/9/11 7:23am]

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Reply #135 posted 08/09/11 7:29am

razor

catpark said:

razor said:



A few facts:

The bank bailouts happened under the labour govt, not the current one (not that I, blaming labour for that; entirely the right policy at the time).

UK unemployment is not higher than it was a year ago; indeed it is slightly lower.

Our spending on war has decreased not increased from 12 months ago.

Their have been cuts in the met police numbers. However they amount to 1.4% of the total force. Hardly enough to make any reasonable argument that they have somehow been a major factor in the last few days.

Those unemployment figures are debatable imo, there has been so many cuts since they got into power. If u think the UK govenment are doing good and its not enough to moan about, why is there so much violence of rioting and looting burning of buildings in London over the past 3 days?


I offered no opinion on the current government, merely facts to debunk some of the false claims made.

If you wish to question the unemployment stats, do so with evidence not vague unsubstantiated suggestion.
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Reply #136 posted 08/09/11 7:33am

razor

dJJ said:



catpark said:





But what needs to be address is why are they becoming like this,

why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?

Why dont they wanna make there own money instead of wanting to steal others?

Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?

Its coming from somewhere all this aggressive anger and hate, its not coming from nowhere.


For me, these are the pivotal questions. I'm interested in what you all think of the possible answers to these questions. Here's my go"



Q: why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?



A: "They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"



They feel corrupted by rich people. They feel treated as cheap labor, not worthy (literally) in the eyes of the fortunate. The experience that they have little power and control over the course of their lives, because that is predestined by the fortunate private school people. No matter how hard they will work, their effort will pay the bosses, not benefit themselves. They are frustrated over belittlement and experienced exploitation. They out their frustration and anger by showing that they can execute power too.






Q: Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?



A: "We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"



It seems they feel powerless en overruled. As if nothing that they will do will get them anywhere.


The hippies in the 60's were all about ideals, love and kindness. However, while preaching their hippie values, their behaviour was not in concordance. They were screwing eachother executing powerplay, neglecting their children in the name of freedom, getting drunk and high excused by liberating the mind. While hanging out and not working. As soon as their time came and got into decision making jobs themselves, all of their hippie values dissapeared. Their hunger for power and money was decisive for producing un inhumane and environmentally hostile circumstance. However, they didn't care anymore, the European babyboom hippies appeared to be greedy, indifferent, arrogant bunch. They are the leaders of today.


Their children grew up with limited boundaries. Listening to adults who are talking about ideals, however behave as savages in the work place. They observed (or participated) the strikes and protests in the 80's and noticed that it didn't make any difference. Governements just do whatever they want. They din't care about longterm consequences. The choices they made were beneficial to their own generation and their fellow class members. They said it wasn't so, however, their behaviour spoke different.


The current generation is fed with music that propagates aggression towards police and members of other races. Youth doesn't read history, they only read the history that excuses their race and clanmembers. So, every skin color has their history on economics througout the century, and they are all right. However, they don't want to know about the other's sides' story and integrate aggression and exploitation in their own identity. Througout history both races have committed atrocities and brutalities. However, blaiming the other and victimization wins over soul search.


Throughout history, leaders allways showed to just serve their own personal cause in stead of the wellbeing of every inhabitant of the country (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kennedy, Reagan, Tatcher, Hitler and the rest of the bunch), every system failed, time and time again it was proven that it's not about love and kindness, however, it's about lying, cheating and manipulating in order to get rich yourself.


In that defeated, bittered and depressed state, young people don't empower themselves with positivity. They get self destructive. Just like the prior generations have destructed the earth and it's inhabitants.




"It was cool"



"We got loads of drink and stuff"



"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"




Yes, it sounds as if they have no clue, and this might be so. However, the frustrated, bored and poor people have nothing to loose. And that is dangerous, when there is nothing to win anymore for a generation, why should they care?










"It was wicked".




Far too one-eyed for my taste. Just standard left-wing stuff. As with most things, the truth is more likely to be found in the centre than in the extreme views on either the left or the right.
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Reply #137 posted 08/09/11 7:34am

catpark

SquirrelMeat said:



catpark said:


SquirrelMeat said:

BBC news 24 now interviewing two teenage girls who participated in the riots.



"It was cool"



"We got loads of drink and stuff"



"We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"



"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"



When asked why they have been smashing up small local shops.



"They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"



"It was wicked".



See, they don't care.

Who ever thought they did?



These girls are obviously in the current free education system, so they are not being deprived there. They are not old enough for jobs, so the problem isn't there.



It points to morals, complete lack of. Fuck the police. Fuck the neighbours. Fuck the community. Its boiling back to same old "I don't fell I get respect, so fuck you" attitude that is rife across the country.



Gaining those morals doesn't come from Police or Governments. It has to come from Parents.



And if their viewpoint comes from dissolusioned parents, who have just had 13 years of a hand out socialist government, and still raise kids like that, then what hope is there?




Of course education is free until u leave school. And them young girls are older enough to get off there backsides get off the streets and go look for a job and to educate themselves. As i said before I started working from 12 in the thatcher years where there was high unemployment, i never used that as an excuse i found work all through my teen years and work damn hard while in education. What how them girls are talking is scary.
What hand outs? Stuff Labour gave to in the oap, youth centres, education section and people on low income? Not exactly marxism is it, but good old Tories took away a much as they could in that department , just like Thatcher did.
I'm sorry but i do believe in some kind of socialism to a certain degree, helping people that need help, looking after your own etc and theres no way that socialism equals riots thats right wing thinking, which i'll never be.
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Reply #138 posted 08/09/11 7:34am

TypoQueen

If we can do this:

Then all sensible adults can unite and make it known that we will not allow them to destroy our comunity's. All parents lock your kids in and if they have crossed that line out them learn them a lesson they wont forget.

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Reply #139 posted 08/09/11 7:35am

razor

2elijah said:



elmer said:


London's a lovely place.





No home training. Unbelievable. That idiot that went into that guy's bag and robbed him, even though he saw he was hurt, what an animal. disbelief

[Edited 8/9/11 7:23am]



Yep, impossible not to question where the parents are in all this and what the he'll they've been teaching (or not teaching)their kids.

Of course, its not all about that, but its certainly an element.
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Reply #140 posted 08/09/11 7:36am

dJJ

razor said:

dJJ said:

For me, these are the pivotal questions. I'm interested in what you all think of the possible answers to these questions. Here's my go"

Q: why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?

A: "They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"

They feel corrupted by rich people. They feel treated as cheap labor, not worthy (literally) in the eyes of the fortunate. The experience that they have little power and control over the course of their lives, because that is predestined by the fortunate private school people. No matter how hard they will work, their effort will pay the bosses, not benefit themselves. They are frustrated over belittlement and experienced exploitation. They out their frustration and anger by showing that they can execute power too.

Q: Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?

A: "We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"

It seems they feel powerless en overruled. As if nothing that they will do will get them anywhere.

The hippies in the 60's were all about ideals, love and kindness. However, while preaching their hippie values, their behaviour was not in concordance. They were screwing eachother executing powerplay, neglecting their children in the name of freedom, getting drunk and high excused by liberating the mind. While hanging out and not working. As soon as their time came and got into decision making jobs themselves, all of their hippie values dissapeared. Their hunger for power and money was decisive for producing un inhumane and environmentally hostile circumstance. However, they didn't care anymore, the European babyboom hippies appeared to be greedy, indifferent, arrogant bunch. They are the leaders of today.

Their children grew up with limited boundaries. Listening to adults who are talking about ideals, however behave as savages in the work place. They observed (or participated) the strikes and protests in the 80's and noticed that it didn't make any difference. Governements just do whatever they want. They din't care about longterm consequences. The choices they made were beneficial to their own generation and their fellow class members. They said it wasn't so, however, their behaviour spoke different.

The current generation is fed with music that propagates aggression towards police and members of other races. Youth doesn't read history, they only read the history that excuses their race and clanmembers. So, every skin color has their history on economics througout the century, and they are all right. However, they don't want to know about the other's sides' story and integrate aggression and exploitation in their own identity. Througout history both races have committed atrocities and brutalities. However, blaiming the other and victimization wins over soul search.

Throughout history, leaders allways showed to just serve their own personal cause in stead of the wellbeing of every inhabitant of the country (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kennedy, Reagan, Tatcher, Hitler and the rest of the bunch), every system failed, time and time again it was proven that it's not about love and kindness, however, it's about lying, cheating and manipulating in order to get rich yourself.

In that defeated, bittered and depressed state, young people don't empower themselves with positivity. They get self destructive. Just like the prior generations have destructed the earth and it's inhabitants.

"It was cool"

"We got loads of drink and stuff"

"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"

Yes, it sounds as if they have no clue, and this might be so. However, the frustrated, bored and poor people have nothing to loose. And that is dangerous, when there is nothing to win anymore for a generation, why should they care?

"It was wicked".

Far too one-eyed for my taste. Just standard left-wing stuff. As with most things, the truth is more likely to be found in the centre than in the extreme views on either the left or the right.

Really? You think so? I thought it was not ver left nor right.

However, I would love to read your opinion on these questions. I'm not claiming the truth here.

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Reply #141 posted 08/09/11 7:39am

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Those unemployment figures are debatable imo, there has been so many cuts since they got into power. If u think the UK govenment are doing good and its not enough to moan about, why is there so much violence of rioting and looting burning of buildings in London over the past 3 days?

So what would you do, if you were in charge tomorrow. How would you bring the bank acount under control and keep looters, teachers NHS staff, bin men, road campaigners etc etc happy? Not cut at all? Steal funds from private businessess and pension funding PLCs?

And to answer your question, why is there so much violence?

How about because of a complete lack of respect and morals from a generation brought up under a soft labour government that handed out cash left right and centre, and put a stop to such things a teacher and parent discipline through dear of government recrimination?

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Reply #142 posted 08/09/11 7:41am

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catpark said:


Those unemployment figures are debatable imo, there has been so many cuts since they got into power. If u think the UK govenment are doing good and its not enough to moan about, why is there so much violence of rioting and looting burning of buildings in London over the past 3 days?


I offered no opinion on the current government, merely facts to debunk some of the false claims made.

If you wish to question the unemployment stats, do so with evidence not vague unsubstantiated suggestion.

Okay. But I'm not making any claims.
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Reply #143 posted 08/09/11 7:50am

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dJJ said:



razor said:


dJJ said:



For me, these are the pivotal questions. I'm interested in what you all think of the possible answers to these questions. Here's my go"



Q: why do they think a life of crime is better than being a ambitious hard working?



A: "They are the rich people. We are proving we can do whatever we want"



They feel corrupted by rich people. They feel treated as cheap labor, not worthy (literally) in the eyes of the fortunate. The experience that they have little power and control over the course of their lives, because that is predestined by the fortunate private school people. No matter how hard they will work, their effort will pay the bosses, not benefit themselves. They are frustrated over belittlement and experienced exploitation. They out their frustration and anger by showing that they can execute power too.






Q: Why dont they see a bright future ahead of them?



A: "We have shown people that we can do whatever we want"



It seems they feel powerless en overruled. As if nothing that they will do will get them anywhere.


The hippies in the 60's were all about ideals, love and kindness. However, while preaching their hippie values, their behaviour was not in concordance. They were screwing eachother executing powerplay, neglecting their children in the name of freedom, getting drunk and high excused by liberating the mind. While hanging out and not working. As soon as their time came and got into decision making jobs themselves, all of their hippie values dissapeared. Their hunger for power and money was decisive for producing un inhumane and environmentally hostile circumstance. However, they didn't care anymore, the European babyboom hippies appeared to be greedy, indifferent, arrogant bunch. They are the leaders of today.


Their children grew up with limited boundaries. Listening to adults who are talking about ideals, however behave as savages in the work place. They observed (or participated) the strikes and protests in the 80's and noticed that it didn't make any difference. Governements just do whatever they want. They din't care about longterm consequences. The choices they made were beneficial to their own generation and their fellow class members. They said it wasn't so, however, their behaviour spoke different.


The current generation is fed with music that propagates aggression towards police and members of other races. Youth doesn't read history, they only read the history that excuses their race and clanmembers. So, every skin color has their history on economics througout the century, and they are all right. However, they don't want to know about the other's sides' story and integrate aggression and exploitation in their own identity. Througout history both races have committed atrocities and brutalities. However, blaiming the other and victimization wins over soul search.


Throughout history, leaders allways showed to just serve their own personal cause in stead of the wellbeing of every inhabitant of the country (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kennedy, Reagan, Tatcher, Hitler and the rest of the bunch), every system failed, time and time again it was proven that it's not about love and kindness, however, it's about lying, cheating and manipulating in order to get rich yourself.


In that defeated, bittered and depressed state, young people don't empower themselves with positivity. They get self destructive. Just like the prior generations have destructed the earth and it's inhabitants.




"It was cool"



"We got loads of drink and stuff"



"Hopefully it will carry on tonight"




Yes, it sounds as if they have no clue, and this might be so. However, the frustrated, bored and poor people have nothing to loose. And that is dangerous, when there is nothing to win anymore for a generation, why should they care?










"It was wicked".




Far too one-eyed for my taste. Just standard left-wing stuff. As with most things, the truth is more likely to be found in the centre than in the extreme views on either the left or the right.



Really? You think so? I thought it was not ver left nor right.



However, I would love to read your opinion on these questions. I'm not claiming the truth here.




Broadly yes, it was a very left-wing viewpoint. Not that that alone makes it wrong. Simply that, in my experience, both sides have good points in isolation, but when one ideology is applied universally, it fails. The trick is to take the best from both and apply different perspectives to different issues. That's probably a bit vague, but to go further would be off topic.

As for my views on the current situation, aside from what I have said so far, I am trying to avoid jumping to quick conclusions. I'll wait and gather more information as this goes on before I give my full thoughts. For now, I'm content with pointing out facts and the errors of those (not saying you're of them) so keen to impose their own pre-existing political viewpoint on the situation irrespective of inconvenient facts.
"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #144 posted 08/09/11 7:54am

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catpark said:

razor said:



I offered no opinion on the current government, merely facts to debunk some of the false claims made.

If you wish to question the unemployment stats, do so with evidence not vague unsubstantiated suggestion.

Okay. But I'm not making any claims.


Ok. All I'm saying is that if you ( or anyone) wants to blame the current government, the previous government, thatcher, mossad or our lizard overlords, do so with substance and evidence. So far most of the claims made (by many, not talking about you personally)have been simply false or vague unsubstantiated politically motivated suggestions.
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Reply #145 posted 08/09/11 7:59am

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razor said:

catpark said:
Okay. But I'm not making any claims.
Ok. All I'm saying is that if you ( or anyone) wants to blame the current government, the previous government, thatcher, mossad or our lizard overlords, do so with substance and evidence. So far most of the claims made (by many, not talking about you personally)have been simply false or vague unsubstantiated politically motivated suggestions.

Equally, waiting for the answers is to wait forever. There will never be full factual answers, even after an enquiry, as there are too many variables in both the motives and the actions.

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Reply #146 posted 08/09/11 8:07am

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SquirrelMeat said:



razor said:


catpark said:
Okay. But I'm not making any claims.

Ok. All I'm saying is that if you ( or anyone) wants to blame the current government, the previous government, thatcher, mossad or our lizard overlords, do so with substance and evidence. So far most of the claims made (by many, not talking about you personally)have been simply false or vague unsubstantiated politically motivated suggestions.

Equally, waiting for the answers is to wait forever. There will never be full factual answers, even after an enquiry, as there are too many variables in both the motives and the actions.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #147 posted 08/09/11 8:08am

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SquirrelMeat said:



razor said:


catpark said:
Okay. But I'm not making any claims.

Ok. All I'm saying is that if you ( or anyone) wants to blame the current government, the previous government, thatcher, mossad or our lizard overlords, do so with substance and evidence. So far most of the claims made (by many, not talking about you personally)have been simply false or vague unsubstantiated politically motivated suggestions.

Equally, waiting for the answers is to wait forever. There will never be full factual answers, even after an enquiry, as there are too many variables in both the motives and the actions.



Sure, they will always be some things unknown. But right now is too early to form solid judgements. There is still too many things we don't know that we will be able to answer. That's my view at any rate.
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Reply #148 posted 08/09/11 8:11am

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catpark said:


Those unemployment figures are debatable imo, there has been so many cuts since they got into power. If u think the UK govenment are doing good and its not enough to moan about, why is there so much violence of rioting and looting burning of buildings in London over the past 3 days?

So what would you do, if you were in charge tomorrow. How would you bring the bank acount under control and keep looters, teachers NHS staff, bin men, road campaigners etc etc happy? Not cut at all? Steal funds from private businessess and pension funding PLCs?



And to answer your question, why is there so much violence?



How about because of a complete lack of respect and morals from a generation brought up under a soft labour government that handed out cash left right and centre, and put a stop to such things a teacher and parent discipline through dear of government recrimination?


A lot of them poor teachers secondary have no control over the pupils the police dont have control over teenagers in the streets, there so much rules that people like teachers police have lost there power. I cant speak for every parent in britain i just see whats going on around me and i see a few kids in my area that do get into trouble and their parents are ripping there hair out constantly stressed out over fear there teenage sons being in gangs. A lot of this was happening when Labour where in govenment too, but it seems to escalated with the Tories in. Similiar pattern of the 80s.
If i was in power well i don't have all the answers, but something needs to change and i would do a much better job than Cameron, i know that for sure.
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Reply #149 posted 08/09/11 8:13am

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Unfortunately the 'Jeremy Kyle' underclass, the butt of many jokes, which has been a simmering pot for a while is now boiling over. It's a wretched situation of screwed up parenting, broken families, generations of unemployment, leading to this mess. Unfortunately we're breeding a whole generation of idiotic morons with no sense of morality, respect for others and sense of entitlement without any graft.

The thing is this kind of behaviour has been happening for a while - there are a number of neighbourhoods and estates where residents fear leaving their homes at night due to gangs of kids hanging around street corners who don't have one iota of fear or respect for their elders or authority. However these problems have been swept under the carpet. Now that the masses have experienced this antisocial behaviour hopefully real questions will start to be asked.

It's easy to say we're going to crack down on these yobs, as David Cameron has been saying today and that's fine to contain the current situation. However there are some very serious issues addressing the social and moral fabric of our society that need to be addressed. For a long time now parents have neglected their duties as parents and the politicians have turned a blind eye and inadequately dealt with the real disparities between the haves and haves not. Unfortunately this situation is not going to resolved anytime soon.


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