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Reply #30 posted 08/08/11 4:08pm

TypoQueen

Madness this mindless violence they are doing it because the can, its about looting geting something for nothing and not giving a damn how they go about it. If this keeps up people will die.

Thoughts and prayers to all the innocent, and to all the emergency services.

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Reply #31 posted 08/08/11 4:13pm

Teacher

TypoQueen said:

Madness this mindless violence they are doing it because the can, its about looting geting something for nothing and not giving a damn how they go about it. If this keeps up people will die.

Thoughts and prayers to all the innocent, and to all the emergency services.

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Reply #32 posted 08/08/11 4:15pm

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TypoQueen said:

Madness this mindless violence they are doing it because the can, its about looting geting something for nothing and not giving a damn how they go about it. If this keeps up people will die.

Thoughts and prayers to all the innocent, and to all the emergency services.

...and then it'll get 100x worse....

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Reply #33 posted 08/08/11 4:20pm

TypoQueen

Teacher said:

TypoQueen said:

Madness this mindless violence they are doing it because the can, its about looting geting something for nothing and not giving a damn how they go about it. If this keeps up people will die.

Thoughts and prayers to all the innocent, and to all the emergency services.

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Reply #34 posted 08/08/11 4:22pm

TypoQueen

SexLovely said:

TypoQueen said:

Madness this mindless violence they are doing it because the can, its about looting geting something for nothing and not giving a damn how they go about it. If this keeps up people will die.

Thoughts and prayers to all the innocent, and to all the emergency services.

...and then it'll get 100x worse....

It will, will not surprise me if the armed forces are on standby.

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Reply #35 posted 08/08/11 4:29pm

TypoQueen

Picture going around social media websites: Woman jumping to save herself.

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Reply #36 posted 08/08/11 4:35pm

TypoQueen

sad Deeply upseting

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/08/london_riots.html

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Reply #37 posted 08/08/11 4:36pm

dJJ

I'm so happy that I don't have television. Just by reading your posts I'm already horrified.

I hope all the London orgers are doing okay.

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #38 posted 08/08/11 4:41pm

ISF

ISF said:

I clearly stated that I am against damage to local homes and businesses. However, when police property is attacked, I fully understand! What is it I said that you do not believe?

The IPCC stated the 333 figure, and was reported by The Guardian.

I would much rather the people in the street attacked police cars and stations and stopped hijacking what started off first as a peaceful demonstration for answers on the death of Mark Duggan.

OF COURSE I HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND WITH THE AUTHORITY!

As bad as all this looting is, the murder of 333 people since 1998 is far worse, and the media and politicians are using the looting as an excuse to ignore this!

[Edited 8/8/11 15:27pm]

I think you are an ignorant idiot.

What I don't believe is your hearsay bullshit about Duggan, a known gang member in the local area. There has been nothing in the press to back this up. EVERYONE in the area knows what he was like.

As for the Guardian, the 333 figure is not murder statistics, they are death statistics. I'm sure there are some injustice in those figures, but there are always many deaths in custody around the world because often the people arrested fight back or or so drunk do themselves injury.

You call the police murders and I think it sums you up.You are condoning excuses to trash police property, which might end up in the death of public protectors.

Please go and join your looter friends on the front line.

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IPCC reports say that the bullet found in the policeman's radio was from a police-issue gun.
Also, read this:

''Police involved in the fatal shooting of a father of four on Thursday have "never claimed they were fired upon", according to Sky News sources''

http://news.sky.com/home/...e/16045977

I also said I understand anger towards the police and destruction of police property. Whether it is the most progressive way to go about the situation - I don't know!

Note, I also said PROPERTY. Like when the police officer in Tottenham was dragged out of his patrol, and then the car was set alight.

Even if you are of the view that Mark Duggan was a lowlife who deserved death, what would you say about Cynthia Jarrett? Or Harry Stanley? Or if, God forbid, this happened to a family member of friend of yours?

Also, I didn't say all police officers are murders, or even that all are bad! Of course there are those who are interested in protecting the public. However, murders and beatings have gone without prosecution, racism in police forces all over the UK from low ranks to high ranks have being exposed time and time again.

Don't act stupid talk to me about looting, I haven't condoned it once.

[Edited 8/8/11 16:42pm]

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Reply #39 posted 08/08/11 4:41pm

SquirrelMeat

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Same happened when Thatcher brought in her cutbacks.

And now we have that wanker Tory prime minister cutting back services and local youth schemes and we have riots again.

Thats a feeble excuse.

We've only had the current government a little over a year. Are you blaming them for the utter disrespect the youth have for the society around them? The news is showing them. 13 and 14 years old trashing shops.

All children of New Labour. Where disipline was almost outlawed and kids learned to drink on the streets 24/7.

Its this labour youth that make me weep for England and will probably make me take my family abroad in the next couple of years.

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Reply #40 posted 08/08/11 4:43pm

razor

dJJ said:

I'm so happy that I don't have television. Just by reading your posts I'm already horrified.

I hope all the London orgers are doing okay.

Everyone I know is fine, although I've got mate in Croyden whom I cant contact. Then again, he's nearly 7ft tall and 20 stone so I figure he can handle himself.

I was in Tootenham Hale on Thursday and missed the shooting by 30mins or so. Thankfully I live a few miles north and we have had no problems so far. My in-laws are in Enfield and were very close to all the looting last night, but again all ok.

I posted my thoughts in the other thread (now locked). Hopefully, the mods can merge the threads to avoid duplication.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #41 posted 08/08/11 4:44pm

TypoQueen

dJJ said:

I'm so happy that I don't have television. Just by reading your posts I'm already horrified.

I hope all the London orgers are doing okay.

It is not just in London it is all over the country just seen some pictures in Liverpool, reported people pulled from cars and cars set on fire.

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Reply #42 posted 08/08/11 4:47pm

Ellie

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Kicked off also in Birmingham, Bristol and Leeds apparently.

I can't sleep. 2 places where I used to live near have been hit and now I'm in East London there was a police helicopter right above my friend's flat in Hackney, less than 2 miles from me.

The big police station here in Bow is a minute walk from my flat but we're over a bit away from the high streets so I don't expect much to happen right here. I'd be shit scared if I was on a main road.

[Edited 8/8/11 16:49pm]

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Reply #43 posted 08/08/11 4:49pm

pald1

Some fool on another forum was getting his jollies off by fantasizing about smashing police cars. There's some weird people out there.

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Reply #44 posted 08/08/11 4:51pm

Marrk

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SquirrelMeat said:

powersoul99 said:

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Same happened when Thatcher brought in her cutbacks.

And now we have that wanker Tory prime minister cutting back services and local youth schemes and we have riots again.

Thats a feeble excuse.

All children of New Labour. Where disipline was almost outlawed and kids learned to drink on the streets 24/7.

Umm, That's a bit of a generalisation. It's always gone on. I remember buying cider with my mates back in the mid-eighties as a teen and sitting in my school grounds getting rat-arsed. It's not a new phenomenon by any means.

This is something different. Unprescedented in the UK. Young folks don't fuck around now. They're pissed off worse than i was back under Thatcher. Which is amazing in itself.

Reports of Liverpool riots starting according to SKY.

[Edited 8/8/11 16:56pm]

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #45 posted 08/08/11 4:56pm

razor

To repeat from the other thread:

To those who seek political capitial from this: Much as I was disgusted by those seeking to make political capital from the actions of brevik, I am equally disgusted by those seeking similar with this incidence.

For those not from the UK, you should know that the public mood (of all stripes) is very much united against these riots. They are not seen as(and indeed are manifestly not) a response to any party political issue or set of policies.

Nor are they race-based.

The original incident with Mark Duggan (about which we still know precious little of substance) has merely been co-opted by those seeking an excuse to cause havoc and steal for their own amusement and benefit ( the family concerned have condemned the actions). It seems they are mainly small groups of young men who are well coordinated and needed only a spark to create a desired fire. There are no political protests, no banners, no nothing.

As for tottenham specifically, police-public relations have improved dramatically since the 80's. That community is broadly mortified with what has occurred, even whilst they keenly await the facts surrounding the Duggan case. A lot of the rooters were not locals, rather wankers from other areas sniffing and seeking a fight. Local people have had their livelihoods and homes either destroyed or stigmatised.

And now we see it spreading to other areas, who care nothing for Duggan. This is opportunism not anger.

ISF, perhaps you would share the details of how those who have died in custody perished that you quote. Do you even know them? I doubt it.

"The majority were from natural causes, with nearly three-quarters relating to drug or alcohol abuse"

Of course the police should be constantly scrutinised, and held accountable where appropriate. This situation is now really very little to do with the original incident though. And if you want to critisise the police you should at least do so from a position of facts, not ideology.


I can of course agree that we can and should debate how people come to feel able to behave in this manner. Then again, that's basically social politics and is nothing new. It remains an area with good intentions but no clear cut solutions.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #46 posted 08/08/11 5:00pm

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Marrk said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Thats a feeble excuse.

All children of New Labour. Where disipline was almost outlawed and kids learned to drink on the streets 24/7.

Umm, That's a bit of a generalisation. It's always gone on. I remember buying cider with my mates back in the mid-eighties as a teen and sitting in my school grounds getting rat-arsed. It's not a new phenomenon by any means.

This is something different. Unprescedented in the UK. Young folks don't fuck around now. They're pissed off worse than i was back under Thatcher. Which is amazing in itself.

Yeah, apologies, I am generalising on the drinking.

But there is no doubt that the youth on TV are Blair babies. There is also no getting away with the fact that 99% of those we can see on TV are from ethinic minority groups. Now of course I don't mean "its because", but it begs the question why? And what has gone wrong with the basic fabric of society?

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Reply #47 posted 08/08/11 5:00pm

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Ellie said:

Kicked off also in Birmingham, Bristol and Leeds apparently.

I can't sleep. 2 places where I used to live near have been hit and now I'm in East London there was a police helicopter right above my friend's flat in Hackney, less than 2 miles from me.

The big police station here in Bow is a minute walk from my flat but we're over a bit away from the high streets so I don't expect much to happen right here. I'd be shit scared if I was on a main road.

[Edited 8/8/11 16:49pm]

Stay safe dude.

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Reply #48 posted 08/08/11 5:01pm

elmer

Doesn't bode well for the Olympics next year lol lot of broken homes and dysfunctional kids in London.

Sounds like Mad Max scenarios from some of the reports I'm hearing. I spoke to a mate in E.London earlier and he said Stratford centre, which is the near periphery of London, was cordened off. I'd imagine all police leave has been cancelled. If this continues after tonight they'd best be bringing in rubber bullets and tear gas.

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Reply #49 posted 08/08/11 5:03pm

razor

SquirrelMeat said:

Marrk said:

Umm, That's a bit of a generalisation. It's always gone on. I remember buying cider with my mates back in the mid-eighties as a teen and sitting in my school grounds getting rat-arsed. It's not a new phenomenon by any means.

This is something different. Unprescedented in the UK. Young folks don't fuck around now. They're pissed off worse than i was back under Thatcher. Which is amazing in itself.

Yeah, apologies, I am generalising on the drinking.

But there is no doubt that the youth on TV are Blair babies. There is also no getting away with the fact that 99% of those we can see on TV are from ethinic minority groups. Now of course I don't mean "its because", but it begs the question why? And what has gone wrong with the basic fabric of society?

Confirmation bias. People of all stripes are involved. Maybe you saw what you wanted to see?

The cause is wankers and poverty. Being one can create the other (both ways).

[Edited 8/8/11 17:04pm]

[Edited 8/8/11 17:09pm]

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Reply #50 posted 08/08/11 5:07pm

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Just watching the BBC news, this is getting way out of hand, there is a different area involved in this every half hour. News is reporting that up to 10 different areas (in London) have been targeted in the last 3-4 hours.

[Edited 8/8/11 17:08pm]

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Reply #51 posted 08/08/11 5:08pm

elmer

Ellie said:

Kicked off also in Birmingham, Bristol and Leeds apparently.

I can't sleep. 2 places where I used to live near have been hit and now I'm in East London there was a police helicopter right above my friend's flat in Hackney, less than 2 miles from me.

The big police station here in Bow is a minute walk from my flat but we're over a bit away from the high streets so I don't expect much to happen right here. I'd be shit scared if I was on a main road.

[Edited 8/8/11 16:49pm]

That's traffic police though ain't it? The estates behind the station can be a little foreboding on the best of nights. You got nice little gentrified corners in mile end, but fuck, I'd rather be somewhere like Wanstead, as I'm sure you would right now

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Reply #52 posted 08/08/11 5:09pm

TypoQueen

SquirrelMeat said:

Marrk said:

Umm, That's a bit of a generalisation. It's always gone on. I remember buying cider with my mates back in the mid-eighties as a teen and sitting in my school grounds getting rat-arsed. It's not a new phenomenon by any means.

This is something different. Unprescedented in the UK. Young folks don't fuck around now. They're pissed off worse than i was back under Thatcher. Which is amazing in itself.

Yeah, apologies, I am generalising on the drinking.

But there is no doubt that the youth on TV are Blair babies. There is also no getting away with the fact that 99% of those we can see on TV are from ethinic minority groups. Now of course I don't mean "its because", but it begs the question why? And what has gone wrong with the basic fabric of society?

Agree

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Reply #53 posted 08/08/11 5:10pm

ISF

razor said:


The original incident with Mark Duggan (about which we still know precious little of substance) has merely been co-opted by those seeking an excuse to cause havoc and steal for their own amusement and benefit ( the family concerned have condemned the actions). It seems they are mainly small groups of young men who are well coordinated and needed only a spark to create a desired fire. There are no political protests, no banners, no nothing.

I agree, the vast majority of people involved, especially those after the main Tottenham incidents, are harming local people more than anyone, and many are stealing.

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ISF, perhaps you would share the details of how those who have died in custody perished that you quote. Do you even know them? I doubt it.

"The majority were from natural causes, with nearly three-quarters relating to drug or alcohol abuse"

I have talked about what is emerging about Mark Duggan, what happened to Harry Stanely and Cynthia Jarrett. Of course I don't know about all the incidents.
Also, where did you get that quote from? I am not saying you're lying, but I am interested to see the source.

Of course the police should be constantly scrutinised, and held accountable where appropriate. This situation is now really very little to do with the original incident though. And if you want to critisise the police you should at least do so from a position of facts, not ideology.

I agree that most people involved now are doing this to steal and vandalise. Some for fun, some to vent their frustrations (even those this is a totally wrong way to vent them!!!)

The fact is that this sparked by a police murder. I agree that now most people involved in the riots are not too concerned with this murder. However, the actions of the police are not to be taken lightly!


I would also like to say that I hope this looting and mindless violence stops! I don't want anybody to be hurt or, God forbid killed.

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Reply #54 posted 08/08/11 5:11pm

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razor said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Yeah, apologies, I am generalising on the drinking.

But there is no doubt that the youth on TV are Blair babies. There is also no getting away with the fact that 99% of those we can see on TV are from ethinic minority groups. Now of course I don't mean "its because", but it begs the question why? And what has gone wrong with the basic fabric of society?

Confirmation bias. People of all stripes are involved. Maybe you saw what you wanted to see?

The cause is wankers and poverty. Often being one creates the other (both ways).

[Edited 8/8/11 17:04pm]

Confirmation nothing. Its on the screen in front of me now. No racial motive or intent. It shouldn't be brushed under the carpet either.

The cause is wankers and poverty, but why has it set so strongly across these groups? I was born and bred in Tottenham, and even in 85 poverty knew less colour. The last government clearly let them down.

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Reply #55 posted 08/08/11 5:12pm

Marrk

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razor said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Yeah, apologies, I am generalising on the drinking.

But there is no doubt that the youth on TV are Blair babies. There is also no getting away with the fact that 99% of those we can see on TV are from ethinic minority groups. Now of course I don't mean "its because", but it begs the question why? And what has gone wrong with the basic fabric of society?

Confirmation bias. People of all stripes are involved. Maybe you saw what you wanted to see?

The cause is wankers and poverty. Often being one creates the other (both ways).

[Edited 8/8/11 17:04pm]

If i get wind of it in my town, i'm there. Hood up, scarf on. i'll be an old looter. I want some free shit.

Second thoughts. Fuck that, i can't run like i used to.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #56 posted 08/08/11 5:15pm

Marrk

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SquirrelMeat said:

razor said:

Confirmation bias. People of all stripes are involved. Maybe you saw what you wanted to see?

The cause is wankers and poverty. Often being one creates the other (both ways).

[Edited 8/8/11 17:04pm]

Confirmation nothing. Its on the screen in front of me now. No racial motive or intent. It shouldn't be brushed under the carpet either.

The cause is wankers and poverty, but why has it set so strongly across these groups? I was born and bred in Tottenham, and even in 85 poverty knew less colour. The last government clearly let them down.

Thank goodness the Tories are back to save us all. Can't wait for the cuts to kick in and there'll be LESS police on our streets. We'll cope then.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #57 posted 08/08/11 5:16pm

razor

ISF said:



razor said:




The original incident with Mark Duggan (about which we still know precious little of substance) has merely been co-opted by those seeking an excuse to cause havoc and steal for their own amusement and benefit ( the family concerned have condemned the actions). It seems they are mainly small groups of young men who are well coordinated and needed only a spark to create a desired fire. There are no political protests, no banners, no nothing.


I agree, the vast majority of people involved, especially those after the main Tottenham incidents, are harming local people more than anyone, and many are stealing.

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ISF, perhaps you would share the details of how those who have died in custody perished that you quote. Do you even know them? I doubt it.



"The majority were from natural causes, with nearly three-quarters relating to drug or alcohol abuse"


I have talked about what is emerging about Mark Duggan, what happened to Harry Stanely and Cynthia Jarrett. Of course I don't know about all the incidents.
Also, where did you get that quote from? I am not saying you're lying, but I am interested to see the source.



Of course the police should be constantly scrutinised, and held accountable where appropriate. This situation is now really very little to do with the original incident though. And if you want to critisise the police you should at least do so from a position of facts, not ideology.


I agree that most people involved now are doing this to steal and vandalise. Some for fun, some to vent their frustrations (even those this is a totally wrong way to vent them!!!)


The fact is that this sparked by a police murder. I agree that now most people involved in the riots are not too concerned with this murder. However, the actions of the police are not to be taken lightly!




I would also like to say that I hope this looting and mindless violence stops! I don't want anybody to be hurt or, God forbid killed.




That stat is from the very same guardian article you originally referenced. I'm guessing you saw a headline that suited your outlook, but didn't bother to read on?

Police "murder"? Neither you nor I know what happened. Again, your use of language is irresponsible.

Your last statement we can both agree on.
"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #58 posted 08/08/11 5:16pm

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Reply #59 posted 08/08/11 5:17pm

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Officers from 11 police forces outwith the met are on their way to London.

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