Look at the fucking demographics research done by fucking Gallup and every other pollster under the sun. They are 55/45 mostly male. They are mostly middle-higher income (+$50,000), so they are employed (49% full-time, higher than the national average). Only 24% retirees, the national average is 23%. They are mostly 30-49, so middle aged, not old. And they have about the same racial diversity as America does as a whole (79% white in the Tea Party, 75% white nationally). Btw, majority college educated, some polls say more educated than the general public.
Do you kiss your loved ones with that mouth? Sheesh!
Your "movement" has been co-opted...face it.
So now we're back to that? You're all done with saying the Tea Party is just poor, uneducated, unemployed old folks? I guess facts are stubborn things.
Do you kiss your loved ones with that mouth? Sheesh!
Your "movement" has been co-opted...face it.
So now we're back to that? You're all done with saying the Tea Party is just poor, uneducated, unemployed old folks? I guess facts are stubborn things.
Please try to keep up with who said what on the thread and direct this response to Violetblues. Thanks.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
So now we're back to that? You're all done with saying the Tea Party is just poor, uneducated, unemployed old folks? I guess facts are stubborn things.
Please try to keep up with who said what on the thread and direct this response to Violetblues. Thanks.
So now we're back to that? You're all done with saying the Tea Party is just poor, uneducated, unemployed old folks? I guess facts are stubborn things.
Please try to keep up with who said what on the thread and direct this response to Violetblues. Thanks.
You have to wonder when people can't even tell us apart, so they just start lashing out at random.
It wasn't really random and it definitely wasn't lashing out. You replied directly to my post debunking the theory that the Tea Party is just full of poor old people who don't work, saying (in one way or another) "yeah... well... your movement is still co-opted". How does that not imply that you wanted to argue for the old folks theory, but couldn't because there was no validity to it, so went back to an older argument that "you guys" were arguing before the old folks stuff was brought up?
You have to wonder when people can't even tell us apart, so they just start lashing out at random.
It wasn't really random and it definitely wasn't lashing out. You replied directly to my post debunking the theory that the Tea Party is just full of poor old people who don't work, saying (in one way or another) "yeah... well... your movement is still co-opted". How does that not imply that you wanted to argue for the old folks theory, but couldn't because there was no validity to it, so went back to an older argument that "you guys" were arguing before the old folks stuff was brought up?
C'mon. You can have "Bush policy and his tax cuts for the rich did not casue the deficit and the distruction of our nation" and we can have "The Tea Party is just old senile poor folks"
At some point we must accept a delusional thinking by each side.
You have to wonder when people can't even tell us apart, so they just start lashing out at random.
It wasn't really random and it definitely wasn't lashing out. You replied directly to my post debunking the theory that the Tea Party is just full of poor old people who don't work, saying (in one way or another) "yeah... well... your movement is still co-opted". How does that not imply that you wanted to argue for the old folks theory, but couldn't because there was no validity to it, so went back to an older argument that "you guys" were arguing before the old folks stuff was brought up?
Stop trying to cover your mistake and read reply 27. You don't have to guess what I wanted to say when it's right there for you to read.
These political parties have been co-opted and the astro turf tea movement is no exception.
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
It wasn't really random and it definitely wasn't lashing out. You replied directly to my post debunking the theory that the Tea Party is just full of poor old people who don't work, saying (in one way or another) "yeah... well... your movement is still co-opted". How does that not imply that you wanted to argue for the old folks theory, but couldn't because there was no validity to it, so went back to an older argument that "you guys" were arguing before the old folks stuff was brought up?
Stop trying to cover your mistake and read reply 27. You don't have to guess what I wanted to say when it's right there for you to read.
These political parties have been co-opted and the atro turf tea movement is no exception.
How about I just what until you pick an argument to use and then I'll come back and engage you in discussion. At the moment you are throwing shit at the walls and hoping something sticks.
Stop trying to cover your mistake and read reply 27. You don't have to guess what I wanted to say when it's right there for you to read.
These political parties have been co-opted and the atro turf tea movement is no exception.
How about I just what until you pick an argument to use and then I'll come back and engage you in discussion. At the moment you are throwing shit at the walls and hoping something sticks.
Cool...stay in denial.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Stop trying to cover your mistake and read reply 27. You don't have to guess what I wanted to say when it's right there for you to read.
These political parties have been co-opted and the atro turf tea movement is no exception.
How about I just what until you pick an argument to use and then I'll come back and engage you in discussion. At the moment you are throwing shit at the walls and hoping something sticks.
co-opted by CORPORATE AMERICA not by old people. Retired scared old people are the ones who bore water for the filthy rich vermine who advocated against Healthcare for all Americans. You younger types like to point to the 200+ crowds and get all proud over nothing.
I can't think of any social movement that hasn't been Co-Opted.
The accusaion is hollow?
In this case, the elderly poor are advocating on behalf of the wealthy elites! It's not hollow to point out that fact.
The thing is, most TEA Party plans involve making sure SS, Medicare, etc are remain solvent. Backing out slowly, cautiously, but still BACKING OUT. Putting the money back into the consumer-coporation relationship. Using progressive economics the past 14 years has caused 401ks to swell unnaturally and then deflate spectacularly.
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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another
In this case, the elderly poor are advocating on behalf of the wealthy elites! It's not hollow to point out that fact.
The thing is, most TEA Party plans involve making sure SS, Medicare, etc are remain solvent. Backing out slowly, cautiously, but still BACKING OUT. Putting the money back into the consumer-coporation relationship. Using progressive economics the past 14 years has caused 401ks to swell unnaturally and then deflate spectacularly.
Which is exactly WHY SS, Medicare and pensions need to be kept as far away as possible from 401K style plans. Inevitably Wall Street will find a way to take the money with nothing in return.
I wish Wall street had completely collapsed so that we could start fresh without all the thievery.
The thing is, most TEA Party plans involve making sure SS, Medicare, etc are remain solvent. Backing out slowly, cautiously, but still BACKING OUT. Putting the money back into the consumer-coporation relationship. Using progressive economics the past 14 years has caused 401ks to swell unnaturally and then deflate spectacularly.
Which is exactly WHY SS, Medicare and pensions need to be kept as far away as possible from 401K style plans. Inevitably Wall Street will find a way to take the money with nothing in return.
I wish Wall street had completely collapsed so that we could start fresh without all the thievery.
If the money stays in the hands of the people, they can choose to invest in what they want. Bank savings, real estate, risky investments, whatever we want. Yes, Wall Street should have collapsed. But for the thievery to end, the Govt have to be restarted too.
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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another
Which is exactly WHY SS, Medicare and pensions need to be kept as far away as possible from 401K style plans. Inevitably Wall Street will find a way to take the money with nothing in return.
I wish Wall street had completely collapsed so that we could start fresh without all the thievery.
If the money stays in the hands of the people, they can choose to invest in what they want. Bank savings, real estate, risky investments, whatever we want. Yes, Wall Street should have collapsed. But for the thievery to end, the Govt have to be restarted too.
Yep, everbody out there...build your own roads and bidges. If you get robbed, find the criminal yourselves. Or put out your own fires when your house is burning. And read a lot, so you can educate your young'uns yerself... And if we get attacked again, keep a musket under your bed so we can all band together and fight them off...
If the money stays in the hands of the people, they can choose to invest in what they want. Bank savings, real estate, risky investments, whatever we want. Yes, Wall Street should have collapsed. But for the thievery to end, the Govt have to be restarted too.
Yep, everbody out there...build your own roads and bidges. If you get robbed, find the criminal yourselves. Or put out your own fires when your house is burning. And read a lot, so you can educate your young'uns yerself... And if we get attacked again, keep a musket under your bed so we can all band together and fight them off...
If only our taxes went for those purposes and nothing else, your sarcasm would actually mean something. Instead, the Government spends money outlawing the Light Bulb, Hand Soap, and a Toilet that can actually flush a decent crap down. Oh... they also get us involved in forgein civil wars, allow non-citizens to enter the country almost freely, sell arms to drug cartels, and keep people who love each other from entering into a marriage.
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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another
If the money stays in the hands of the people, they can choose to invest in what they want. Bank savings, real estate, risky investments, whatever we want. Yes, Wall Street should have collapsed. But for the thievery to end, the Govt have to be restarted too.
Yep, everbody out there...build your own roads and bidges. If you get robbed, find the criminal yourselves. Or put out your own fires when your house is burning. And read a lot, so you can educate your young'uns yerself... And if we get attacked again, keep a musket under your bed so we can all band together and fight them off...
Such a strawman argument that I've heard too many times. I'd love it if all the government did was build infrastructure, provide for the national defense, and run police and fire services in local districts. Don't pretend like we need to raise federal income taxes to pay for those basic public services.
From the film Astro Turf Wars: How Corporate America Is A Grassroots Revolution, this clip shows Austin James of the conservative Republican funded American Majority training tea party activists on guerrilla internet tactics to “control the online dialogue.”
The footage was shot at the 2009 American Liberty Tour, run by a group of libertarian groups tied to real-estate mogul and Koch associate Howie Rich. The clip is taken from a section of the film showing how libertarian/free-market groups are recruiting tea party protestors into their cause.
Now if only activists on the left would stop spending all their time arguing with each other on e-mail listservs and in Facebook group comments and get the message about how to do this too, American democracy might have a chance to recover from the past 30 years of corporate and religious Republican dominance in the fight for the hearts and minds of the public.
We need to find a way to fight back or we will loose our democracy and we will have a corporate plutocracy!
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