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Thread started 01/28/11 1:52pm

rudedog

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Republicans telling women how to run their lives

For a party that is about government deregulation. Keep the goverment out of my house, don't regulate the market, gov shouldn't take away or control my guns, government should stay of out what private business do, should't tell me what kind of healthcare i want.....for all conservatives and republicans want government NOT to tell us what they do...they sure want to tell a woman what to do with their bodies, make choices FOR them, instead of giving THEM the choice. Thats completely against Republican's platform and it horrible. They can't have it both ways, either they want gov out of our lives, or in it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/y...WFib3J0aW8-

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Reply #1 posted 01/28/11 2:02pm

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Republicans being hypocrites what's new

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Reply #2 posted 01/28/11 3:58pm

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the topic title is misleading.They are just saying that federal funds will not be used (something even obama agreed to) in most cases to pay for them. Now I can see they limit the funds a little harshly.

any can you replace that url with

http://news.yahoo.com/s/y...exceptions

or http://tinyurl.com/4vak4rg

[Edited 1/28/11 16:00pm]

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #3 posted 01/28/11 4:32pm

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What Republicans are doing, furthering their agenda to eliminate abortions. They can't right now, so they want to financially make it impossible for women to have them. Which will drive women back to getting back alley abortions which are dangerous and deadly. Whatever happened to women's lib? Republicans consider it dead and gone. Nothing in the Healthcare Bill ever stated that Gov will fund abortions, that's not the topic here. The topic is Republicans agenda and its a human rights violation

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Reply #4 posted 01/28/11 4:48pm

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PLEASE fix the LINK!

and: what they are doing is saying just because something is a right doesn't mean the government should provide it. that is the agenda of the left. They say the RIGHT to heath care but that is being turned into the government should pay for it?

and we were told in no uncertain terms that public money would not be used to fund abortions.

Now to be clear: my view on them is I wish they were not needed. But I see that they have a good enough reason to be legal that they should stay legal. But that should in MOST cases be kept within the bounds set in Roe V Wade (that is until the time of viability 25 weeks give or take).

And the available in the case of rape or serious medical risk to the mother and in some cases under very limited cases newly discovered developmental issues (meaning for ones after 25 weeks).

Now I will take a side step and call reps on a lie. This is NOT about saving money. It is about NOT spending it on abortions. As they cost less than the fed will give them back by way of tax savings and rebates or in federal aide.

and we need not ever touch the targeted population control agenda of planed parenthood's founders.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #5 posted 01/30/11 12:11pm

YESWECAN

Progressive liberals never try to do tell people how to live there lives lol

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Reply #6 posted 01/30/11 2:52pm

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YESWECAN said:

Progressive liberals never try to do tell people how to live there lives lol

Someone's gotta tell the poor fools on the right how to live their lives correctly lol

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Reply #8 posted 01/31/11 3:03am

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and the saddest thing about our species... global warming, golf oil leaks, toxins in our water supply.... none of it matters unless we can control our population.

controlling our numbers is THE single biggest challenge facing our species

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Reply #9 posted 01/31/11 9:40am

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XxAxX said:

and the saddest thing about our species... global warming, golf oil leaks, toxins in our water supply.... none of it matters unless we can control our population.

controlling our numbers is THE single biggest challenge facing our species

so are you opposed to population control and or eugenics?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #10 posted 01/31/11 9:41am

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The whole point of Republicans doing this is to limit access abortion rights to women, plain and simple.

1) Universal healthcare: Babies/kids are expensive. You limit women/couple's worries about finances if you help them shoulder the burden by providing healthcare for them and their children. Women get abortions because they can't afford to pay for them, in France...the abortion rate is much lower than America's per capita, why? Because women aren't so freaked out about an unwanted pregnancy. So you want to reduce the abortion rate, vote for better healthcare.

2) If you ban or limit access for women to have abortions, what you are doing is forcing them to have back alley abortions which endangers the woman's life. And you'll see an HUGE HUGE increase in Welfare. Which brings me back to 1)....healthcare.

3) Instead of standing in judgement of women and saying NOT WITHOUT MY MONEY. Consider their lives and the hard choices they make. Don't ever assume that is an easy choice to make until you are in the situation and you aren't making much. Not to mention, its not just poor women having abortions, its rich ones too. It's a right every woman should have and gov should help out when possible. You don't like the idea of an abortion, don't have one.

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Reply #11 posted 01/31/11 9:49am

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rudedog said:

The whole point of Republicans doing this is to limit access abortion rights to women, plain and simple.

1) Universal healthcare: Babies/kids are expensive. You limit women/couple's worries about finances if you help them shoulder the burden by providing healthcare for them and their children. Women get abortions because they can't afford to pay for them, in France...the abortion rate is much lower than America's per capita, why? Because women aren't so freaked out about an unwanted pregnancy. So you want to reduce the abortion rate, vote for better healthcare.

So we should PAY to support a woman's poor CHOICES?

2) If you ban or limit access for women to have abortions, what you are doing is forcing them to have back alley abortions which endangers the woman's life. And you'll see an HUGE HUGE increase in Welfare. Which brings me back to 1)....healthcare.

Fallacy. Same argumet is made if we ban guns. If we ban guns people that want them will just get them in back alleies.

3) Instead of standing in judgement of women and saying NOT WITHOUT MY MONEY. Consider their lives and the hard choices they make. Don't ever assume that is an easy choice to make until you are in the situation and you aren't making much. Not to mention, its not just poor women having abortions, its rich ones too. It's a right every woman should have and gov should help out when possible. You don't like the idea of an abortion, don't have one.

It is not a money issue. Abortions are cheeper for the government than children.

Let he who hath no sin, cast the first stone Christians

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No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #12 posted 01/31/11 3:42pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

So we should PAY to support a woman's poor CHOICES?

Fallacy. Same argumet is made if we ban guns. If we ban guns people that want them will just get them in back alleies.

It is not a money issue. Abortions are cheeper for the government than children.


As Americans, we should look out for one another. BTW, MEN are just as involved as women here.I'm not saying every woman should be able to have 100 abortions, but you can't judge that a woman makes 'poor choices'. Incest, rape are hardly choices. Not all of them wanted to get knocked up and said 'its okay Gov will pay for it'. These are tough choices women make, to assume and generalize all of them as being morons is simply ignorant.

Nope, not true. America is fuckin gun-obsessed, Republicans and the NRA make sure of that one. But this is off subject, if you eliminate women opportunities and choices by cutting off funding for abortions, women will have back alley abortions and they will die, this happened when abortion was illegal and it will happen again. Those that don't, will be forced on welfare. So if its up to you, women that make 'poor choices' or get raped should just die, right? They have no human rights, they don't deserve to live.

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Reply #13 posted 01/31/11 4:21pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

XxAxX said:

and the saddest thing about our species... global warming, golf oil leaks, toxins in our water supply.... none of it matters unless we can control our population.

controlling our numbers is THE single biggest challenge facing our species

so are you opposed to population control and or eugenics?

i sympathize with china's approach: two children per couple. i also feel birth control should be funded under a national health care plan.

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Reply #14 posted 01/31/11 5:24pm

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XxAxX said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so are you opposed to population control and or eugenics?

i sympathize with china's approach: two children per couple. i also feel birth control should be funded under a national health care plan.

really? so what if a 3rd baby comes? what if one's religion forbids birth control?

talk about a government telling a woman how to fun her life! WOWZA!

Like I said the topic title is not at all accurate. NO ONE is telling a woman what to do or what not to do. but here is this post suggesting that woman's choice and her reproductive rights be strictly limited?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #15 posted 01/31/11 5:31pm

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rudedog said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

As Americans, we should look out for one another. BTW, MEN are just as involved as women here.I'm not saying every woman should be able to have 100 abortions, but you can't judge that a woman makes 'poor choices'. Incest, rape are hardly choices. Not all of them wanted to get knocked up and said 'its okay Gov will pay for it'. These are tough choices women make, to assume and generalize all of them as being morons is simply ignorant.

why is it that you mention rape? I have never said abortion should be banned much less even in the case of rape. even this law would allow for rape. I would like it to include non forced rape as well but I am positive that would be something that would be corrected in committee.


the typical abortion is some woman that choose to have unprotected sex. So we can leave off the victims of crimes.

Nope, not true. America is fuckin gun-obsessed, Republicans and the NRA make sure of that one. But this is off subject, if you eliminate women opportunities and choices by cutting off funding for abortions, women will have back alley abortions and they will die, this happened when abortion was illegal and it will happen again. Those that don't, will be forced on welfare. So if its up to you, women that make 'poor choices' or get raped should just die, right? They have no human rights, they don't deserve to live.

now that is just nonsense but it is weird that you would rant about how so many people want to keep their right that is actually in the Constitution (abortions were preformed 1000s of years ago so it is not as if they did not know about them) yet support something that is not? And something that could very well be looked back on as a great evil.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #16 posted 02/01/11 10:10am

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why is it that you mention rape? I have never said abortion should be banned much less even in the case of rape. even this law would allow for rape. I would like it to include non forced rape as well but I am positive that would be something that would be corrected in committee.

If you saw the link, Republicans are trying to ban abortions for even victims of rape or incest. Its like health insurance companies that try and not take blame for the thousands of deaths they cause. They don't deny treatment, they deny payment. When you deny something that's unaffortable, you are giving them a death sentence.


the typical abortion is some woman that choose to have unprotected sex. So we can leave off the victims of crimes.

Assumptions and generalizations. You don't know this as a fact, in fact you haven't provided any evidence. This is what you think, not what you know. Again, MEN have a stake in this too, they don't carry the babies, so they shouldn't have a say in this.

now that is just nonsense but it is weird that you would rant about how so many people want to keep their right that is actually in the Constitution (abortions were preformed 1000s of years ago so it is not as if they did not know about them) yet support something that is not? And something that could very well be looked back on as a great evil.

Look at America's history with abortion. Abortion in the United States has been legal in every state since the United States Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, on January 22, 1973. So we're not talking 1000s of years ago here, we are talking about how long women have been "allowed" to have them and now how that right is being slowly taken away.

I don't get your comparison. Some things are in the Constitution, such as slaves (aka black ppl) being considered 3/5 of all other persons....this can and WAS considered evil too! Here, the founding fathers were WRONG and this Amendment was....amended in the 13th Amendment. So, the founding fathers didn't get it all right. Same with Guns, but thats another topic for another day. One day, that will be amended too.

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Reply #17 posted 02/01/11 10:16am

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Straw Man.....

Conservatives don't want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. They want to tell woman what not to do (kill) the body of another individual.

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seekingtruth said:

Straw Man.....

Conservatives don't want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. They want to tell woman what not to do (kill) the body of another individual.

Where do babies come from? They don't fall out of a man's balls do they? It is about what women are ALLOWED to do WITH their bodies. I guarantee you, if it were men having kids, abortion wouldn't be such a highly argued topic.

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Reply #19 posted 02/01/11 10:32am

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This bill, introduced by Republican Chris Smith, includes a provision that could redefine rape.

The truth is, federal dollars can't be used for abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman's life is in danger.


But according to the New York Times, the Smith bill would narrow that use to "cases of 'forcible' rape but not statutory or coerced rape."

http://www.nytimes.com/20...0sun1.html

So, cases where women are "drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes" would no longer count as rape.

http://www.moveon.org/r?r...Vx&t=7


As far too many women know, bruises and broken bones do not define rape—a lack of consent does. The Smith bill is utter bullshit! Again, this is Republican's way of banning abortion, completely. Taking the rights and the voice of women away from them and making the GOVERNMENT tell them what they can or cannot do. If you don't like abortion, don't have them. But you should not sit in judgement of others and say they shouldn't have one. You don't live their lives, you don't have a right to tell them what women can or cannot do. Funny how Republicans want Government out of our lives, but they want to tell women how to live theirs. Support women's rights!

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Reply #20 posted 02/01/11 10:50am

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seekingtruth said:

Straw Man.....

Conservatives don't want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. They want to tell woman what not to do (kill) the body of another individual.

THAT IS INSIDE THEIR BODY. End of story.

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rudedog said:

seekingtruth said:

Straw Man.....

Conservatives don't want to tell woman what to do with their own bodies. They want to tell woman what not to do (kill) the body of another individual.

Where do babies come from? They don't fall out of a man's balls do they? It is about what women are ALLOWED to do WITH their bodies. I guarantee you, if it were men having kids, abortion wouldn't be such a highly argued topic.

The Taliban would be having them lol

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Reply #22 posted 02/01/11 11:55am

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so as it was mentioned:

what is the biggest intrusion on the right's of a woman?

Not using public money for elective abortions?

or

Limits to how many children a woman can have?

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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Reply #23 posted 02/01/11 1:51pm

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Don't the statistics go something like:

The more education you have, the fewer children (on average) you have.

So preventing abortion is basically forcing a stupid parent(s) to have children.

I think that sounds like a GREAT recipe for success!

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Reply #24 posted 02/01/11 2:19pm

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There's also talk of Republicans wanting to redefine what rape means.

Absolutely disgusting.

I thought this was the party of Small Governement... unless you're Black, Gay, a Woman, Hispanic, Muslim, Poor, Middle Class. Basically everyone except a Rich, White, "Heterosexual", Christian Male.

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Reply #25 posted 02/01/11 3:00pm

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Redefining rape disbelief These people are complete monsters. Real life living monsters.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

XxAxX said:

i sympathize with china's approach: two children per couple. i also feel birth control should be funded under a national health care plan.

really? so what if a 3rd baby comes? what if one's religion forbids birth control?

talk about a government telling a woman how to fun her life! WOWZA!

Like I said the topic title is not at all accurate. NO ONE is telling a woman what to do or what not to do. but here is this post suggesting that woman's choice and her reproductive rights be strictly limited?

i know. religion is a huge barrier to birth control.

i think the topic is accurate insofar as the inference is that the republican party not only wants to prohibit abortion under the national health care plan, but would eventually love to see abortion off the menu for women altogether.

i think it's totally laughable that viagra is covered, but birth control is not. however, i feel no real urge to invest myself in yet another hot debate about whose opinion is rightest rose

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Reply #27 posted 02/01/11 4:17pm

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Gawd, this is an inconsistant country. y'all say things that I thought were none issues, but then I remember what state I live in vs. where other folks live. things like birth control and abortions have been covered here for a long time, and are very easy to get, and have been for a longtime. It's weird having this much divide in a "united" country.

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XxAxX said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

really? so what if a 3rd baby comes? what if one's religion forbids birth control?

talk about a government telling a woman how to fun her life! WOWZA!

Like I said the topic title is not at all accurate. NO ONE is telling a woman what to do or what not to do. but here is this post suggesting that woman's choice and her reproductive rights be strictly limited?

i know. religion is a huge barrier to birth control.

Actually, what religion left is against birth control? I know Catholism WAS, but the Pope said it wasn't as evil as AIDS. So that gives ppl the freedom now to choose birth control.

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Reply #29 posted 02/01/11 11:50pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

the topic title is misleading.

Yes, you're abolutely right! omfg

Republicans telling everyone how to run their lives

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