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etifaim

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Jehovah's Witnesses go in on Atheists

The Jehovah’s Witnesses put out a monthly magazine called Awake! which is a companion publication to the Watchtower.

In this month’s issue (PDF), the cover story on “Atheism on the March” has a very interesting beginning...

[img:$uid]http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/watchtower-atheism-clip.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes, how dare those New Atheists not keep their views to themselves!?

It’s so rude when people just intrude upon you as if they have all the answers…

(The publishers really don’t see the irony in that sentence, do they?)

source:

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It is quite ironic.

Thoughts?

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Reply #1 posted 11/11/10 2:41pm

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I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
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Reply #2 posted 11/11/10 2:46pm

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Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

Read the sentence below the highlighted part. lol I'm on a crusade to angrily, passionately persuade my point of view. On that note: I have some knocking to do. These extra copies of "On the Origin of Species," are not going to deliver themselves.

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Reply #3 posted 11/11/10 2:47pm

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Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

They do take issue with atheist's outspokenness. Did you by chance click on the PDF to read the full article?

I actually wasn't convinced either by the highlighted text. After I read the first page, however, I agreed that it is quite hypocrital of them to make those statements.

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Reply #4 posted 11/11/10 2:47pm

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TheResistor said:

Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

Read the sentence below the highlighted part. lol I'm on a crusade to angrily, passionately persuade my point of view. On that note: I have some knocking to do. These extra copies of "On the Origin of Species," are not going to deliver themselves.

Darn right they're not. Get to it! mad

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Reply #5 posted 11/11/10 2:50pm

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TheResistor said:

Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

Read the sentence below the highlighted part. lol I'm on a crusade to angrily, passionately persuade my point of view. On that note: I have some knocking to do. These extra copies of "On the Origin of Species," are not going to deliver themselves.

The next sentence is a quote from someone. I doubt all JWs think that characterizes the tone of all atheist argument.

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Reply #6 posted 11/11/10 2:51pm

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etifaim said:

Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

They do take issue with atheist's outspokenness. Did you by chance click on the PDF to read the full article?

I actually wasn't convinced either by the highlighted text. After I read the first page, however, I agreed that it is quite hypocrital of them to make those statements.

Didn't read the full PDF. I'll maybe give it a glance.

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^

I've now read the article, or rather the editorial preface, of the issue.

Uh, yeah... I still see no complaint over the outspokenness of these newer athiests. shrug What I do see is -- again -- a statement that they exist and, further, that they take up such rhetorical strategies as establishing a new body of atheist literature, taking on religious extremism as a sort of wedge into challenging all religious thought and championing rational thought and science.

Isn't that all just...true? confuse

[Edited 11/11/10 15:06pm]

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
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Reply #8 posted 11/11/10 7:02pm

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Lammastide said:

^

I've now read the article, or rather the editorial preface, of the issue.

Uh, yeah... I still see no complaint over the outspokenness of these newer athiests. shrug What I do see is -- again -- a statement that they exist and, further, that they take up such rhetorical strategies as establishing a new body of atheist literature, taking on religious extremism as a sort of wedge into challenging all religious thought and championing rational thought and science.

Isn't that all just...true? confuse

[Edited 11/11/10 15:06pm]

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

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Reply #9 posted 11/11/10 7:26pm

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etifaim said:

Lammastide said:

^

I've now read the article, or rather the editorial preface, of the issue.

Uh, yeah... I still see no complaint over the outspokenness of these newer athiests. shrug What I do see is -- again -- a statement that they exist and, further, that they take up such rhetorical strategies as establishing a new body of atheist literature, taking on religious extremism as a sort of wedge into challenging all religious thought and championing rational thought and science.

Isn't that all just...true? confuse

[Edited 11/11/10 15:06pm]

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

somebody posted this article a little bit ago, and while I of course disagreed with much of it, I actually found it to be surprisingly respectful considering it came from a religious publication with religious motives.

And I would actually agree with the highlighted sentence. Atheists don't feel the need to hide anymore, and aren't afraid to speak out. Many are angry, and many are passionate. And I'm glad about that.

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Reply #10 posted 11/11/10 8:08pm

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etifaim said:

Lammastide said:

^

I've now read the article, or rather the editorial preface, of the issue.

Uh, yeah... I still see no complaint over the outspokenness of these newer athiests. shrug What I do see is -- again -- a statement that they exist and, further, that they take up such rhetorical strategies as establishing a new body of atheist literature, taking on religious extremism as a sort of wedge into challenging all religious thought and championing rational thought and science.

Isn't that all just...true? confuse

[Edited 11/11/10 15:06pm]

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

Let me try to make my point clear...

A hypocrite is one who professes beliefs, positions, etc. to which he/she does not truly ascribe. Your argument the JWs are being hypocritical here, then, rests on showing they profess that being "on a mission," "(wanting) to convert," "not (being) content to keep their views to themselves" or being "on a crusade" is something abhorrent... despite their own evangelism showing they ascribe to something otherwise. Right?

The JWs, however, profess no such abhorrence here. Certainly they depict new atheists with an evangelical zeal they themselves also bear, but their substantive point of critique is not around atheists' evangelical zeal; it is around the strength (or lack thereof) of their reasoning.

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

[Edited 11/11/10 21:18pm]

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Reply #11 posted 11/12/10 1:05am

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Reply #12 posted 11/12/10 3:18am

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etifaim said:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses put out a monthly magazine called Awake! which is a companion publication to the Watchtower.

In this month’s issue (PDF), the cover story on “Atheism on the March” has a very interesting beginning...

[img:$uid]http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/watchtower-atheism-clip.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes, how dare those New Atheists not keep their views to themselves!?

It’s so rude when people just intrude upon you as if they have all the answers…

(The publishers really don’t see the irony in that sentence, do they?)

source:

The Friendly Atheist

It is quite ironic.

Thoughts?

eek oh my dear lord.

is it even possible that an actual JW would read that and not SEE how nuts it is?

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Reply #13 posted 11/13/10 7:28pm

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Lammastide said:

etifaim said:

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

Let me try to make my point clear...

A hypocrite is one who professes beliefs, positions, etc. to which he/she does not truly ascribe. Your argument the JWs are being hypocritical here, then, rests on showing they profess that being "on a mission," "(wanting) to convert," "not (being) content to keep their views to themselves" or being "on a crusade" is something abhorrent... despite their own evangelism showing they ascribe to something otherwise. Right?

The JWs, however, profess no such abhorrence here. Certainly they depict new atheists with an evangelical zeal they themselves also bear, but their substantive point of critique is not around atheists' evangelical zeal; it is around the strength (or lack thereof) of their reasoning.

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

[Edited 11/11/10 21:18pm]

I've never heard JWs say they themselves are on a "crusade" or are "angrily" doing anything shrug

How often is a crusade, anger, and unreasonableness used in a positive way? They are asserting they are on a crusade using anger and a lack of reason. That's not factual, it's a judgement, and a biased and hypocrital judgement at that. Just my twocents

[Edited 11/13/10 19:29pm]

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Reply #14 posted 11/13/10 9:48pm

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Lammastide said:

Let me try to make my point clear...

A hypocrite is one who professes beliefs, positions, etc. to which he/she does not truly ascribe. Your argument the JWs are being hypocritical here, then, rests on showing they profess that being "on a mission," "(wanting) to convert," "not (being) content to keep their views to themselves" or being "on a crusade" is something abhorrent... despite their own evangelism showing they ascribe to something otherwise. Right?

The JWs, however, profess no such abhorrence here. Certainly they depict new atheists with an evangelical zeal they themselves also bear, but their substantive point of critique is not around atheists' evangelical zeal; it is around the strength (or lack thereof) of their reasoning.

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

[Edited 11/11/10 21:18pm]

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

I agree with that.^

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I wish i had a dictionary and a highlighter so i could post the listing for Irony

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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TheResistor said:

Lammastide said:

I could see room for a hypocrisy charge if the JWs go on to take issue with the outspokenness of "new atheists." All I get from the highlighted sentence, however, is a statement those atheists exist. Nothing wrong with that. They do exist. shrug

Read the sentence below the highlighted part. lol I'm on a crusade to angrily, passionately persuade my point of view. On that note: I have some knocking to do. These extra copies of "On the Origin of Species," are not going to deliver themselves.

but you know that is a quote taken out of context, wink

If "Assault" rifles are banned... COPS first! If they want to TRY to take them from the PEOPLE they should set the example!
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etifaim said:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses put out a monthly magazine called Awake! which is a companion publication to the Watchtower.

In this month’s issue (PDF), the cover story on “Atheism on the March” has a very interesting beginning...

[img:$uid]http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/watchtower-atheism-clip.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes, how dare those New Atheists not keep their views to themselves!?

It’s so rude when people just intrude upon you as if they have all the answers…

(The publishers really don’t see the irony in that sentence, do they?)

source:

The Friendly Atheist

It is quite ironic.

Thoughts?

such melodrama over a quote from a columnist. If the Awake was not being truthful then maybe you could turn a head or two...

LOVE HARD.
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Reply #19 posted 12/01/10 5:21pm

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Evvy said:

etifaim said:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses put out a monthly magazine called Awake! which is a companion publication to the Watchtower.

In this month’s issue (PDF), the cover story on “Atheism on the March” has a very interesting beginning...

[img:$uid]http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/watchtower-atheism-clip.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes, how dare those New Atheists not keep their views to themselves!?

It’s so rude when people just intrude upon you as if they have all the answers…

(The publishers really don’t see the irony in that sentence, do they?)

source:

The Friendly Atheist

It is quite ironic.

Thoughts?

such melodrama over a quote from a columnist. If the Awake was not being truthful then maybe you could turn a head or two...

neutral If it's such melodrama, then why'd you even see the point in commenting about it? SMH @ JWs who think every criticism of their organization is "melodrama" or "taking things out of context". Keep playing victim, and I'll keep callin' it how it is. FOHWTBS

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etifaim said:

Lammastide said:

^

I've now read the article, or rather the editorial preface, of the issue.

Uh, yeah... I still see no complaint over the outspokenness of these newer athiests. shrug What I do see is -- again -- a statement that they exist and, further, that they take up such rhetorical strategies as establishing a new body of atheist literature, taking on religious extremism as a sort of wedge into challenging all religious thought and championing rational thought and science.

Isn't that all just...true? confuse

[Edited 11/11/10 15:06pm]

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

Amen to that, JW's are not a recognised church, they are officially a sect and more likely a CULT, besides haven't they heard of Freedom of Speech, its in the Constitution.

Its obvious JW's feel that the right to speak your mind should be restricted to a few chosen individuals (ie, high ranking members of their cult).

The fact Prince is JW don't mena shit to me, as none of his music hes made since he was a JW compares to his pre JW stuff.

To all you atheists out there, speak on and speak it loud and proud. Reject all forms of Christian Dogma.

So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time
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Huggiebear said:

etifaim said:

The magazine says things like:

"Some of the world's leading atheists are on a mission: They want to convert you to their way of thinking. But is their reasoning sound?"

"...They are not content to keep their views to themselvs. Rather they are on a crusade..."

All while JW's knock on your door, not content in keeping their views to themselves. Rather they are on a crusade to convert you to their way of thinking. Jehovah's Witnesses also denouce ALL other religions, claiming theirs is the one true religion. They also refer to all of the different sects of Christianity, minus their own, as "Christendom" and also false.

The hypocrisy and irony abound.

[Edited 11/11/10 19:03pm]

Amen to that, JW's are not a recognised church, they are officially a sect and more likely a CULT, besides haven't they heard of Freedom of Speech, its in the Constitution.

Its obvious JW's feel that the right to speak your mind should be restricted to a few chosen individuals (ie, high ranking members of their cult).

The fact Prince is JW don't mena shit to me, as none of his music hes made since he was a JW compares to his pre JW stuff.

To all you atheists out there, speak on and speak it loud and proud. Reject all forms of Christian Dogma.

You have been added to my buddy list thumbs up!

Love your sig!

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etifaim said:

Huggiebear said:

Amen to that, JW's are not a recognised church, they are officially a sect and more likely a CULT, besides haven't they heard of Freedom of Speech, its in the Constitution.

Its obvious JW's feel that the right to speak your mind should be restricted to a few chosen individuals (ie, high ranking members of their cult).

The fact Prince is JW don't mena shit to me, as none of his music hes made since he was a JW compares to his pre JW stuff.

To all you atheists out there, speak on and speak it loud and proud. Reject all forms of Christian Dogma.

You have been added to my buddy list thumbs up!

Love your sig!

Me 2, I just tired when all these evangelical types do their preaching and act like they are all high and mighty because they love Chritian dogma.

So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time
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Oh man, I sure wish those Existential Nihilists would stop knocking on my door all the time! The constant yammering about Nietzsche this and 14,000 chosen ones will experience nothingness that... obnoxious!

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Reply #24 posted 12/07/10 9:11pm

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falloff

a classic JW hypocrisy thread:

(link throwing to wrong thread... search "the end of false religion is near")

[Edited 12/7/10 21:16pm]

liars gonna lie, frauds gonna fraud.
but its a joy to call them out on their bullshit.
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Reply #25 posted 12/09/10 4:16pm

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falloff

a classic JW hypocrisy thread:

(link throwing to wrong thread... search "the end of false religion is near").

[Edited 12/7/10 21:16pm]

nod

Good one!

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Reply #26 posted 12/15/10 8:42pm

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etifaim said:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses put out a monthly magazine called Awake! which is a companion publication to the Watchtower.

In this month’s issue (PDF), the cover story on “Atheism on the March” has a very interesting beginning...

[img:$uid]http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/watchtower-atheism-clip.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes, how dare those New Atheists not keep their views to themselves!?

It’s so rude when people just intrude upon you as if they have all the answers…

(The publishers really don’t see the irony in that sentence, do they?)

source:

The Friendly Atheist

It is quite ironic.

Thoughts?

Ironic, but completely expected. It doesn't surprise me at all. I've said before that I think JWs are the most arrogant and hypocritical religion on Earth. I mean just ask any JW if they believe theirs is the only true religion approved by God and all other religions are under the influence of Satan and they will be the only survivors at Armageddon and all other religions will be destroyed by God and they will answer Yes, that's what they believe. How's that for arrogance. Entire books have been written about their hypocrisy.

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Reply #27 posted 12/15/10 11:18pm

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DavidSF said:

Ironic, but completely expected. It doesn't surprise me at all. I've said before that I think JWs are the most arrogant and hypocritical religion on Earth. I mean just ask any JW if they believe theirs is the only true religion approved by God and all other religions are under the influence of Satan and they will be the only survivors at Armageddon and all other religions will be destroyed by God and they will answer Yes, that's what they believe. How's that for arrogance. Entire books have been written about their hypocrisy.

That's true for a lot of conservative, fundamentalist religions, though. It's hard to keep people in line/converted when you say "Go ahead and shop around! There's a nice mosque down the street... " lol

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Reply #28 posted 12/19/10 5:47pm

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NevermindAlexzander said:

Lammastide said:

I agree,the JW are not being hypocritical The quote was from a columnist to make a point. I happen to enjoy the other article "I WAS RAISED AN ATHEIST"

Let me try to make my point clear...

A hypocrite is one who professes beliefs, positions, etc. to which he/she does not truly ascribe. Your argument the JWs are being hypocritical here, then, rests on showing they profess that being "on a mission," "(wanting) to convert," "not (being) content to keep their views to themselves" or being "on a crusade" is something abhorrent... despite their own evangelism showing they ascribe to something otherwise. Right?

The JWs, however, profess no such abhorrence here. Certainly they depict new atheists with an evangelical zeal they themselves also bear, but their substantive point of critique is not around atheists' evangelical zeal; it is around the strength (or lack thereof) of their reasoning.

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

[Edited 11/11/10 21:18pm]

The JWs are not being hypocritical here. They're being an ideological rival. No foul.

I agree with that.^

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Reply #29 posted 12/19/10 6:24pm

regret2131

The other article"I WAS RAISED AN ATHEIST"explains why a PROFESSOR of Charles University changed his viewpoint,was informative.

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