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Thread started 08/02/10 10:04am

Cinnie

"When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell.."

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ic#t=0m44s

When I die, fuck it I wanna go to hell
Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin' with the goodie-goodies loungin' in paradise
Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ic#t=0m44s


Do you guys know this verse from "Suicidal Thoughts"?
Please note this song was written and recorded years and years before Biggie was murdered.
Biggie was raised Catholic which I think helps form the concept of this record, as Suicide is considered an unforgivable sin because it's the last thing you do (I think, I wasn't raised Catholic).
I think most believers would consider Heaven to be "loungin' in paradise" and would seek that reward.
The character depicted in this song has decided he will be going to Hell and thinks it suits him but I think it is because he has given up.

Do you even believe in Heaven and Hell?
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Reply #1 posted 08/02/10 10:09am

PurpleJedi

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I've never understood the whole notion about suicide being an unforgivable sin.

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
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Reply #2 posted 08/02/10 10:20am

Cinnie

PurpleJedi said:

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

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Reply #3 posted 08/02/10 10:27am

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Cinnie said:

PurpleJedi said:

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

nod

Of course, there's the cultural aspect of certain people (like the overachieving students in Japan that commit suicide when they get really bad grades).

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
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Reply #4 posted 08/02/10 11:21am

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PurpleJedi said:

I've never understood the whole notion about suicide being an unforgivable sin.

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

It all depends on the interpratation. Growing up I always heard people say if you committ suicide you go to hell. But then I heard a preacher that this is not so. It's a sin yes, but not automatic condemnation.

If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one.
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Reply #5 posted 08/02/10 5:48pm

ernestsewell

PurpleJedi said:

I've never understood the whole notion about suicide being an unforgivable sin.

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

The idea is that suicide is murder, even of the self, and that if you die without having asked for forgiveness after you committed a sin, then you'll die in sin, and go to hell.

However, that theory in general is flawed, and not what the Bible says. The Bible says that the Holy Ghost is our seal of salvation until the day of redemption, when we meet Christ face to face and enter eternity. "And do not bring sorrow to God's Holy Spirit by the way you live. Remember, he is the one who has identified you as his own, guaranteeing that you will be saved on the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30.

It's a huge thing in Catholicism about the going to hell thing, because you're only "good" with God as long as you've taken mass, etc. That's not Biblical either. That annoys me about Catholics - most never read a Bible and depend on the catechism to tell them how to do everything down to trimming their damn toe nails. Yet even the catechism is not Biblical in its very existence. (Another thread, I know.)

About the desperation: God told His children (ie US) that He'd never give us more than we could handle. "Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke fits perfectly, and the burden I give you is light." (Matthew 11:29-30) To not depend on God and give your problems over to Him is considered disobeying, so to take matters into your own hands is to shut God out.

It still doesn't damn your soul to hell. Only refusing God's love and gift of Christ does that.

In fact, the Bible says only one sin is unforgiveable. Mark 3:29-30 says, "I assure you that any sin can be forgiven, including blasphemy; but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. It is an eternal sin." That simple.

There's no way I'd wish to go to hell. I used to hear it's going to be a big party, "all my friends are going to be there", but hell is a place to be alone, in darkness, and separated from God for eternity. No thank you. I have reservations elsewhere.

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Reply #6 posted 08/02/10 5:50pm

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Cinnie said:

PurpleJedi said:

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

hell....right here on earth!! stupid people, greedy people, evil people make it unbearable some days trying to exist drama free and in peace. sad it can make you mental for sure.

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Reply #7 posted 08/03/10 2:45am

razor

Since there's zero evidence thats any such places exist, and its almost certain that the christian story in particular (as opposed to vague notions of afterlife etc) is entirely fabricated in its supernatural elements, the question is entirely moot from my perspective.

If people are considering suicide, what they need is qualified pyschological help, not bronze age myths.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #8 posted 08/03/10 2:47am

razor

Since there's zero evidence thats any such places exist, and its almost certain that the christian story in particular (as opposed to vague notions of afterlife etc) is entirely fabricated in its supernatural elements, the question is entirely moot from my perspective.

If people are considering suicide, what they need is qualified pyschological help, not baseless bronze age myths that are inherently designed to quell the human spirit and impose guilt.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #9 posted 08/03/10 8:00am

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Cinnie, on suicide being supposedly an unpardonable sin, I offer this...

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

-Romans 8:38, 39

[Edited 8/4/10 11:48am]

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #10 posted 08/03/10 8:38am

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razor said:

Since there's zero evidence thats any such places exist, and its almost certain that the christian story in particular (as opposed to vague notions of afterlife etc) is entirely fabricated in its supernatural elements, the question is entirely moot from my perspective.

If people are considering suicide, what they need is qualified pyschological help, not baseless bronze age myths that are inherently designed to quell the human spirit and impose guilt.

There's no evidence it doesn't exist either.

Even the most qualified of psychiatric professionals can't save everyone. If someone has reached the point where life and its trials are too much to bear sometimes making that choice is the only thing left.

I had a very dear friend end her own life 2 years ago. She had a very difficult, troubled life. She fought non-stop to try to make it better but never quite succeeded. She lost the will to fight and there was no one who could help her get it back. While some of her friends and family couldn't understand her choice, a few of us did. She gave it her best but at the end of the day she ran out of steam. Who are we to say she should have continued on? It's not up to us. It was her life and her choice.

I'm not a very religious person and I'm not sure what I believe in regard to the afterlife/heaven, but in my heart I know she finally found the peace she never had here. Sounds like heaven to me.

Proud Succubi Bitch!
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Reply #11 posted 08/03/10 8:53am

razor

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razor said:

Since there's zero evidence thats any such places exist, and its almost certain that the christian story in particular (as opposed to vague notions of afterlife etc) is entirely fabricated in its supernatural elements, the question is entirely moot from my perspective.

If people are considering suicide, what they need is qualified pyschological help, not baseless bronze age myths that are inherently designed to quell the human spirit and impose guilt.

There's no evidence it doesn't exist either.

Two points:

1) Absence of evidence is very much evidence of absence; not proof but certainly evidence.

2) Merely becuase there is no evidence something does not eixst does not mean we allocate an equal probably between existence and non-existence. There is no evidence invisible pink flying unicorns do not exist but I'm sure you would not seriously argue therefore there is a 50% they do.

Even the most qualified of psychiatric professionals can't save everyone. If someone has reached the point where life and its trials are too much to bear sometimes making that choice is the only thing left.

I had a very dear friend end her own life 2 years ago. She had a very difficult, troubled life. She fought non-stop to try to make it better but never quite succeeded. She lost the will to fight and there was no one who could help her get it back. While some of her friends and family couldn't understand her choice, a few of us did. She gave it her best but at the end of the day she ran out of steam. Who are we to say she should have continued on? It's not up to us. It was her life and her choice.

I'm not a very religious person and I'm not sure what I believe in regard to the afterlife/heaven, but in my heart I know she finally found the peace she never had here. Sounds like heaven to me.

Here we are in more or less total agreement. My point was that professional help is the best chance a person can give themselves. I agree entirely though that for some, it will sadly not be enough.

And I can even agree that there is peace in non-existence.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #12 posted 08/03/10 10:19am

ernestsewell

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

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Reply #13 posted 08/03/10 7:31pm

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The only "heaven" that I believe in is the upcoming Kingdom Of Yahweh that is discuss in Revelation 21 & 22. Basically, "heaven" is coming to us.

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Reply #14 posted 08/03/10 9:27pm

poetcorner61

ernestsewell said:

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

Yup.That is a great verse to take to heart, whether anyone believes in "a Creator" or not. Or religion or not. Also, suicide is supposed to be the "unforgivable" sin...although I don't see how it is more unforgivable than the taking of someone else's life... To me, the unforgivable part is when you selfishly take your own life or someone else's (leave out chronically ill people close to death) and injure the people who love you left behind... And, to me, it is only logical that there is an existence after this one... Science tells us that energy doesn't cease to exist...it only changes form. To me, that only confirms the existence of a Creator (by whatever name) and an after-existence (by whatever name) for those of us on this planet. To put it simply. Which no one wants to do. Unfortunately.

[Edited 8/3/10 21:29pm]

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Reply #15 posted 08/04/10 1:27am

razor

ernestsewell said:

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

Several points:

1) Very few atheists state "there is no god". Rather their position is, "there is no evidence or reason to warrent a belief in god". This is subtle but very importance difference. Hence one could easily argue the entire passge is moot.

2) Are you actually suggesting that you believe all atheists are "evil"? That hey are all "corrupt" and "do not good, not even one"? If so, this will be news to Mrs and little Razor, whom I'm fairly sure will be surprised when they discover my nefarious actual personality.

3) Since neither I, or any atheists, believe in your god, the above words are irrelevant in any case. Whilst I may be able to summon an academic interest in the words of comparatively ignorant and superstitious bigoted men who died 2000 years ago, I am entirely unaffected if their words are used to judge me.

4) Anything of your own to say?

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #16 posted 08/04/10 1:36am

razor

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ernestsewell said:

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

Yup.That is a great verse to take to heart, whether anyone believes in "a Creator" or not. Or religion or not. Also, suicide is supposed to be the "unforgivable" sin...although I don't see how it is more unforgivable than the taking of someone else's life... To me, the unforgivable part is when you selfishly take your own life or someone else's (leave out chronically ill people close to death) and injure the people who love you left behind... And, to me, it is only logical that there is an existence after this one... Science tells us that energy doesn't cease to exist...it only changes form. To me, that only confirms the existence of a Creator (by whatever name) and an after-existence (by whatever name) for those of us on this planet. To put it simply. Which no one wants to do. Unfortunately.

[Edited 8/3/10 21:29pm]

Why would it be a good verse for those who do not believe in a creator? Entirley irrelevent to them surely?

As for your thoughts on "energy" and science, your conclusion does not follow from your reasoning. If the perpetuity of energy automatically confirmed the existence of an afterlife and a magic man who created the universe, science itself would have postulated that. It has not. That alone should give you pause as to the rationality of that line of reasoning. As with most things surrounding theism or faith, it is instead an entirely unsubstaiitated assertion and no more. It's no more or less than "energy can't be destroyed = goddidit". Yout may also care to note that every single breakthrough in physics has been sucessfully "proven" without the need to postulate any supernatural causes whatsoever. Every single one. All explained within the confines of naturalism. That too, should provide pause.

"He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; and he that dares not reason is a slave." - William Drummond
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Reply #17 posted 08/04/10 4:20am

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razor said:

ernestsewell said:

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

Several points:

1) Very few atheists state "there is no god". Rather their position is, "there is no evidence or reason to warrent a belief in god". This is subtle but very importance difference. Hence one could easily argue the entire passge is moot.

2) Are you actually suggesting that you believe all atheists are "evil"? That hey are all "corrupt" and "do not good, not even one"? If so, this will be news to Mrs and little Razor, whom I'm fairly sure will be surprised when they discover my nefarious actual personality.

3) Since neither I, or any atheists, believe in your god, the above words are irrelevant in any case. Whilst I may be able to summon an academic interest in the words of comparatively ignorant and superstitious bigoted men who died 2000 years ago, I am entirely unaffected if their words are used to judge me.

4) Anything of your own to say?

Boom! And there it is.

Atheism = the only rational, logical way.

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Reply #18 posted 08/04/10 7:42am

dseann

Cinnie said:

PurpleJedi said:

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

I think it (suicidal thoughts) was born out of depression. He said that's the way he truly felt when he wrote it. I think it was around the time he found out his mom had breast cancer and he was unsure of his record deal. Remember he had to give up slinging at the time and was basically walking around broke.

I think that a person can be condemned if they commit suicide if the conditions favor such a judgement. If a person offs his/her self to avoid repercussions of some dispicable act then they should be condemned. If a person off his/her self because of ... say ... getting raped, living with chronic pain or being clinically depressed then they will be forgiven.

About your question "do i believe in heaven or hell". I don't know. I know that the spirit within us is pure energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed, just transferred. So when our body gives out our spirit lives on. Where it lives is still a big question to me. Until someone who died comes back and tells me about either heaven or hell, I'll wait until I die to find out. lol

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Reply #19 posted 08/04/10 7:45am

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razor said:

ernestsewell said:

Psalm 53:1-4

Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one! Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God.

Several points:

1) Very few atheists state "there is no god". Rather their position is, "there is no evidence or reason to warrent a belief in god". This is subtle but very importance difference. Hence one could easily argue the entire passge is moot.

2) Are you actually suggesting that you believe all atheists are "evil"? That hey are all "corrupt" and "do not good, not even one"? If so, this will be news to Mrs and little Razor, whom I'm fairly sure will be surprised when they discover my nefarious actual personality.

3) Since neither I, or any atheists, believe in your god, the above words are irrelevant in any case. Whilst I may be able to summon an academic interest in the words of comparatively ignorant and superstitious bigoted men who died 2000 years ago, I am entirely unaffected if their words are used to judge me.

4) Anything of your own to say?

I can't say it as well as Ernest, but I'll throw in my own little bits on this.

I can't say I blame you, because it's not a small undertaking, but if you had any understanding of the Bible these wouldn't be questions to you.

As far as God is concerned, people who need to be proven that He exists are basically saying "there is no God". It requires that you want to believe. Life itself is a miracle of God - look around you.

God was saying in that verse that he looks around and sees that every last human on earth is evil, corrupt, and doesn't do His will. A few come closer to the ideal, we would say, but all have fallen short of the perfection God demands, because God is sinless and perfect. The 2 extremes can't co-exist. That's just the way it is.

That sounds like a unfair deal, but God said He loves us so much anyway that He would cut a very excellent deal for us: Put your faith in Jesus and your sins on the cross with Him, and we can be together in paradise forever. The ancient gospels spell that out very clearly.

If you reject God's offer, you are writing your own ticket to a bad place. He won't make you go to Heaven if you refuse to go! But you will be going somewhere.

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Reply #20 posted 08/04/10 8:50am

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razor said:

Several points:

1) Very few atheists state "there is no god". Rather their position is, "there is no evidence or reason to warrent a belief in god". This is subtle but very importance difference. Hence one could easily argue the entire passge is moot.

2) Are you actually suggesting that you believe all atheists are "evil"? That hey are all "corrupt" and "do not good, not even one"? If so, this will be news to Mrs and little Razor, whom I'm fairly sure will be surprised when they discover my nefarious actual personality.

3) Since neither I, or any atheists, believe in your god, the above words are irrelevant in any case. Whilst I may be able to summon an academic interest in the words of comparatively ignorant and superstitious bigoted men who died 2000 years ago, I am entirely unaffected if their words are used to judge me.

4) Anything of your own to say?

Boom! And there it is.

Atheism = the only rational, logical way.

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Reply #21 posted 08/04/10 9:31am

ernestsewell

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Boom! And there it is.

Atheism = the only rational, logical way.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.

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Reply #22 posted 08/04/10 9:59am

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PurpleJedi said:

I've never understood the whole notion about suicide being an unforgivable sin.

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

I always took that as it is hard to ask forgiveness for something after you are dead. It would be like changing your lottery numbers after the draw.

I guess you could set into motion some means to kill yourself that takes some time to work and then set it off (jump off a building) and then pray before it takes affect (as you are falling).

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Reply #23 posted 08/04/10 10:14am

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Militant said:

razor said:

Several points:

1) Very few atheists state "there is no god". Rather their position is, "there is no evidence or reason to warrent a belief in god". This is subtle but very importance difference. Hence one could easily argue the entire passge is moot.

2) Are you actually suggesting that you believe all atheists are "evil"? That hey are all "corrupt" and "do not good, not even one"? If so, this will be news to Mrs and little Razor, whom I'm fairly sure will be surprised when they discover my nefarious actual personality.

3) Since neither I, or any atheists, believe in your god, the above words are irrelevant in any case. Whilst I may be able to summon an academic interest in the words of comparatively ignorant and superstitious bigoted men who died 2000 years ago, I am entirely unaffected if their words are used to judge me.

4) Anything of your own to say?

Boom! And there it is.

Atheism = the only rational, logical way.

god's existence was never said to be logical or rational. Logic and reason would be things that are under GOD. The very nature of GOD shows that he is not bound by logic or physics as we know or understand them. So to apply logic or reason as a way to disprove GOD is a fallacy. As it assumes things we can not prove or know at this point.

To say there is no evidence is also a fallacy as there are things. If we limit ourselves to logic and reason then where did all this stuff come from? How far back can you go with logic?

Now that is not to say that any particular or specific GOD is the one GOD and that said GOD is the same as one if not several of the Gods from any religion. Which brings up another fallacy often seen in any attempt at dis-proving GOD. That it assumes some limited notion of God or some definition of what GOD is based on some religion(s).

As GOD is by definition above any religion then silly ideas like separation of church and state are non-issues as GOD may or may not have anything to do what so ever with any particular religion.

So when someone argues that "under GOD" or "In God We Trust" violate the 1st amendment they are also committing the fallacy of equating GOD with any religion. (which is something the founders understood.) (Neatly all if not all of them believed in god or gods. I lol at the argument that some were deists. Well deists still believed in god/gods and in some form of creationism.)

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Reply #24 posted 08/04/10 10:15am

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ernestsewell said:

Militant said:

Boom! And there it is.

Atheism = the only rational, logical way.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.

the best definition of faith I have heard is "certainty beyond evidence."

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Reply #25 posted 08/11/10 8:43am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

ernestsewell said:

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.

the best definition of faith I have heard is "certainty beyond evidence."

Certainty without evidence is more like it. Just as schizophrenics believe in things that aren't visibly there and even communicate with said invisible beings, religous people tend to do/claim the same. I wrote a paper in college on parallels between schizophrenics and Christians, focusing on the facts not my own atheist-bias. People in my peer-review group were offended but nobody really disagreed with anything I wrote. I think it just made them uncomfortable. But my schizophrenic aunt exhibits many of the same behaviors as Christians. She just isn't socially accepted like Christians are.

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Reply #26 posted 08/12/10 3:55pm

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As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for.

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Reply #27 posted 08/12/10 4:45pm

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BklynBabe said:

Cinnie said:

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

hell....right here on earth!! stupid people, greedy people, evil people make it unbearable some days trying to exist drama free and in peace. sad it can make you mental for sure.

It can make u stronger also.

I know for one if I have never experienced some of the things I have in life, I would have never been able to help anyone else around me.

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Reply #28 posted 08/17/10 6:57am

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Hope is a mainstay, and the people who I have witnessed dying, sick and frail all look for something else to get them through that passage into death. The knowledge of God brings peace. For me, that's proof enough.

I wonder how an atheist dies? I can not imagine taking your very last breath of life thinking that there is nothing else but decay.

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Reply #29 posted 08/21/10 10:05pm

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Cinnie said:

PurpleJedi said:

The way I see it; if you're so desperate and depressed that you can take your own life, what you need in the everafter is compassion, not the flames of hell.

In a weird way, I think that person is already living in "hell", probably born of a mental illness.

U ever see this movie http://www.hulu.com/watch...the-bridge The Bridge?

My best friend committed suicide off of it.....

I miss him dearly.

I pray nobody U know has to go

through the pain of losing a friend or family member by suicide.

Please watch the movie and look for the signals in the ones U love.

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