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Anger Is Crowd's Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally

By Michael D. Shear and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 10, 2008; Page A04

WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 -- There were shouts of "Nobama" and "Socialist" at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

"It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there's a soft spot," said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.

"We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him," Harris bellowed. "We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him."

The crowd of thousands roared its approval.

In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of "Country First" but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation's economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.


"There's 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there's a chance that Obama might get in, and they don't like that," said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.

"I'm mad! I'm really mad!" another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.

"I'm not done. Lemme finish, please," he said after a standing ovation. "When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.

"It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."

The crowd burst into loud chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Standing at the center of the crowd, McCain and Palin drew on the crowd's energy as they repeatedly trained their fire on Obama.

"Senator Obama has a clear radical, far-left, pro-abortion record," McCain said after being asked about the issue.

The answer prompted a shower of boos from the crowd members. They booed again when he mentioned William Ayers, who bombed U.S. facilities to protest the Vietnam War as part of the domestic terrorist group the Weather Underground. They booed again at the mention of Rep. Barney Frank, a liberal from Massachusetts.

McCain spends most of his time at his rallies and town hall meetings lambasting his rival, often calling him a "co-conspirator" with congressional Democrats in what he argues are the seeds of the financial crisis at mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"Will you assure us," one woman asked, "that, as president, you will take immediate action to investigate, prosecute and name the names of the people actually responsible?"

"I will," McCain answered.

"The same people that are now claiming credit for this rescue are the same ones that were willing co-conspirators in causing this problem that it is," he said, raising his voice to be heard over the crowd. "You know their names. You will know more of their names."


The crowds that show up for his rallies these days appear to have little appetite for the talk of bipartisan compromise that had been at the heart of his message around the Republican National Convention. During a rally outside a small airport in Mosinee, Wis., on Thursday, McCain said that "it's time we come together, Democrats and Republicans to work together. That's my record. I'll reach across the aisle."

The crowd stood silent.


At the town hall gathering here, McCain praised Harris for his "courage" in speaking his mind. But, heedful of the economic chaos gripping the country, McCain sought to steer away, at least briefly, from attacks on Obama's character and integrity.

"Yes, I'll do that," he said of the request to "take it to" Obama. "But I also, my friends, want to address the greatest financial challenge of our lifetime with a positive plan for action that Senator Obama and I have. We need to restore hope and trust and confidence in America and have Americans know that our best days are ahead of us. That's the future and strength and beauty of America."

As the crowd filed out, several said they agreed with the man who said he was mad. Others went further.

"No, I'm not mad, I'm pissed," said Joan Schmitz, who owns a plumbing company here. She said she was frustrated with polls showing Obama surging, McCain's performance in a Tuesday night debate, Obama himself, the media, and the liberal group ACORN, which she said was registering voters fraudulently.

Noting Obama's connections with Ayers, she said that "if it was a Republican, it would be nonstop," referring to what she said was the media ignoring the controversial acquaintance.

"I can't stand to look at him, I don't trust him. I don't like the circle of friends he keeps, I don't like his policies," Schmitz said of Obama. "I'm pissed off by it. I'm beyond mad. How is he climbing up in the polls?"

On the way into the event, the Republican Party of Wisconsin handed out fliers reading "Your Vote Is Being Stolen," an anti-ACORN leaflet that concluded, "Why is vote fraud allowed? Vote fraud is allowed since it benefits Democrats."

The crowd showed equal disdain for the media, fueled by comments from Palin, who encouraged the Republican supporters to take the campaign's message around the media. "I can't pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrel," she said. "It's dangerous territory whenever I suggest the mainstream media isn't asking all the questions."

That message was clearly shared among the crowd. Mike Payne, who traveled from Madison, Wis., for the rally, rejected the idea that McCain's supporters are angry, preferring to use the word "frustrated."

"It might have something to do with you guys," he told a reporter.


"It's not anger at all. It's frustration. There's millions of people around the country that think like we do. You guys refuse to acknowledge that, and you insult our intelligence by misreporting the information. You are treating [Obama] like he's Britney Spears and covering him like he's Paris Hilton, instead of the next president of the United States, potentially."

McCain advisers dismissed the crowd's angry tone as an exception and not representative of most of the campaign's events. And they noted that those gathered seemed most upset by the media's handling of the contest, and simply wanted McCain to be more aggressive.

They also noted that many of McCain's events are attended by liberal protesters, who often yell epithets and hold angry signs as McCain's bus drives by. And they recalled angry words from Obama at a rally in Las Vegas last month, in which he urged supporters to talk to their friends and neighbors, saying "I want you to argue with them and get in their face."
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bored Morons egging on morons! disbelief

Is this the America that we are going to let speak for and represent ALL OF US?
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All that anger, directed toward a guy that never did anything besides try to help people eek . Even though I'm a child of The 60's, I still find it hard to believe that people still feel that strongly against Black people today. Because the ONLY way those angry mobs can be explained is that they are racists. I'm having a hard time believing that in 2008, there are still so many stupid people out there. It just amazes me, and saddens me. They would rather have another 4 years like the last 8, than to see a Black man in the White House sad .
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It's times like this when I'm embarrassed to be from Wisconsin sad
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PDogz said:

All that anger, directed toward a guy that never did anything besides try to help people eek . Even though I'm a child of The 60's, I still find it hard to believe that people still feel that strongly against Black people today. Because the ONLY way those angry mobs can be explained is that they are racists. I'm having a hard time believing that in 2008, there are still so many stupid people out there. It just amazes me, and saddens me. They would rather have another 4 years like the last 8, than to see a Black man in the White House sad .


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Reply #6 posted 10/10/08 2:58am

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The difference between the two sets of supporters (in general) is stark. One is a picture of positivity and hope, the other fear and anger. It says a lot I think...
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The difference between the two sets of supporters (in general) is stark. One is a picture of positivity and hope, the other fear and anger. It says a lot I think...



Heck yeah. It speaks volumes. What is scary is knowing that some of those people that are yelling "kill him" or other hateful crap, are parents!! eek It also brings up images that my grandfather use to warn me about, and also we read about now, of how white people would go to church on Sunday morning and after church, go out and catch a black person so that they(white folks) could lynch him or her. It is really scary how the mind works sometimes.
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Reply #8 posted 10/10/08 4:12am

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what a bunch of jackasses!!!

these very same people voted Bush in for a second term, and they wanna talk about being mad???? all of a sudden they're mad? all of a sudden they care about shady characters? what a bunch of hypocrites!!!!

the Republican Party is falling into the abyss of anything civilized. If I were a Republican I would be so ashamed right now. As candidates you would think McCain would feel uncomfortable with the way supporters are behaving, but he and Palin are feeding and encouraging that frenzy.

i think there's a saying or a story about this, so-called self-righteous christinan folks who claim moral authority, yet when put in a situation, turn into the most vengeful, hateful mofo's around, that is what's playing out right out before us.
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These people are terrifying. I can't believe that they are being allowed to have a say in who becomes the most powerful man in the world. Not agreeing with his policies I can totally understand, but "I can't stand to look at him"? WTF?!
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Reply #10 posted 10/10/08 6:16am

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Same sh!t, different day in the good ol' USA. Not shocked or surprised at all.
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These people are terrifying. I can't believe that they are being allowed to have a say in who becomes the most powerful man in the world. Not agreeing with his policies I can totally understand, but "I can't stand to look at him"? WTF?!


Isn't it TWISTED? Those attitudes and reactions always remind me of characters from movies like Carrie and The Exorcist...

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It does not surprise me that Mc Cain's supporters act like that.

Arrogant bullies, the Joe six packs that Sarah Palin loves.

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Isn't it ironic that an adulterer and a shitty mother are trying to make character an issue in this race?
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razor said:

The difference between the two sets of supporters (in general) is stark. One is a picture of positivity and hope, the other fear and anger. It says a lot I think...


Need I remind you that the fear and anger crowd won the last two presidential elections?

If you don't get right in their faces and call their candidates exactly what they are - lying, adultering shitty people - they will continue to spread fear, anger and lies unabated.

You have to rock them back on their heels or they will continue to spread these lies and ultimately, those lies WILL change minds the wrong way.

History shows that will happen.

So you fight right back:

1. John McCain is an adulterer
2. John McCain abandoned his wife and his child and fucked around on them
3. John McCain is so untrustworthy that his new wife and new father-in-law made him sign a pre-nup
4. NO MAN OF CHARACTER WOULD EVER SIGN A PRE-NUP. EVER
5. John McCain's wife is a drug addict and stole drugs from her own charity. How much lower can you get than that?
6. Sarah Palin threw her own daughter under the bus
7. Sarah Palin completely disregarded the health of her unborn son by traveling by air AFTER her water broke. AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN THINK ENOUGH OF TRIG TO TELL THE AIRLINES OF HER CONDITION
8. John McCain had an alliance with an organization that supported Nazi collaborators and death squads. For all practical purposes, this makes John McCain a Nazi collaborator
9. Did you hear me? John McCain is a Nazi collaborator
10. Sarah Palin believes she is above the Rule of Law. She has disregarded legal subpoenas, just because she wanted to
11. Todd Palin is pussy-whipped.
12. For that matter, so is John McCain
13. Todd Palin hates America so much that he was a member of a party built around the idea of Alaska seceding from America
14. Todd Palin did not join the Republican party until three weeks ago

These people are despicable people. They are bad Americans. Hell, at least one of them doesn't even WANT to be an American. No true patriot would even consider voting for people that are Nazi sympathizers, secessionist, and don't respect the same Rule of Law that you and I do.

Put America first. Vote Obama!
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Reply #15 posted 10/10/08 6:35am

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RodeoSchro said:

Isn't it ironic that an adulterer and a shitty mother are trying to make character an issue in this race?



I remember SO clearly when the republicans went after Bill Clinton in the 90's over trumped up charges tied to his affair, and Republican voters were giving statements in the streets that he didn't deserve the office because the President is the "moral compass of the country". I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear how they feel about the moral character of the McCain-Palin ticket...once they stop shouting out loud for Barack to be killed at rallies, that is disbelief
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Ottensen said:

RodeoSchro said:

Isn't it ironic that an adulterer and a shitty mother are trying to make character an issue in this race?



I remember SO clearly when the republicans went after Bill Clinton in the 90's over trumped up charges tied to his affair, and Republican voters were giving statements in the streets that he didn't deserve the office because the President is the "moral compass of the country". I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear how they feel about the moral character of the McCain-Palin ticket...once they stop shouting out loud for Barack to be killed at rallies, that is disbelief


They figured out what they did wrong against Clinton and modified their approach against Gore and against Kerry. Or maybe Gore and Kerry didn't fight back like Clinton did.

In any event, they won both elections.
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Some times they get confused and think they are at a sporting event?

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Anger and supreme evil. So much for the warm normalcy of middle Americans.
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It does not surprise me that Mc Cain's supporters act like that.

Arrogant bullies, the Joe six packs that Sarah Palin loves.


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SUPRMAN said:

By Michael D. Shear and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 10, 2008; Page A04

WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 -- There were shouts of "Nobama" and "Socialist" at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

"It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there's a soft spot," said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.

"We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him," Harris bellowed. "We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him."

The crowd of thousands roared its approval.

In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of "Country First" but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation's economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.


"There's 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there's a chance that Obama might get in, and they don't like that," said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.

"I'm mad! I'm really mad!" another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.

"I'm not done. Lemme finish, please," he said after a standing ovation. "When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.

"It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."

The crowd burst into loud chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Standing at the center of the crowd, McCain and Palin drew on the crowd's energy as they repeatedly trained their fire on Obama....


Here's video of what is being reported on here:


mccain pretty much failed to speak to what the man was saying, his comments and injunction.
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Reply #21 posted 10/10/08 7:46am

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i don't understand what this man is angry about, specifically. if he is worried about the bailout (i guess that's what he means by "socialist"), shouldn't he be worried about McCain's vote for the bailout? confuse actually, i kinda thought that's where he was going, but i guess not.

the calls of "terrorist" and "kill him" are disturbing. McCain and Palin need to ratchet back on the rhetoric and publicly renounce those kinds of outbursts.
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IrresistibleB1tch said:

i don't understand what this man is angry about, specifically. if he is worried about the bailout (i guess that's what he means by "socialist"), shouldn't he be worried about McCain's vote for the bailout? confuse actually, i kinda thought that's where he was going, but i guess not.

the calls of "terrorist" and "kill him" are disturbing. McCain and Palin need to ratchet back on the rhetoric and publicly renounce those kinds of outbursts.


Now, now, now - to be fair, if you are a supporter of Nazi sympathizers and death squads, should you be surprised that people would say stuff like that in support of you at one of your rallies? And would you ever denounce that?

Of course not. That's why McCain hasn't denounced it or asked for it to stop.
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bored Morons egging on morons! disbelief

Is this the America that we are going to let speak for and represent ALL OF US?



from the clips i saw it just old white guys like mccain that are pissed.

the kind of mentality that this generation has,

the "why isnt my dinner ready yet so i can have it finished before the o'clock news comes on my slave wife?!" kind of pissed.

the "woman why do you got to stand around and try and talk to your friends after church when i want to be the first out the door so i can avoid the traffic" kind of pissed

the "those negros are going to ruin the neighborhood so we need to have ourself a sheet rally and burn their house down, but i like them negros" kind of pissed.

he and his supporters are just a bunch of racist old fucks from a different era and have a different mentality. a passive aggressive mentality where they sit on their porch swings and bitch to the air or brood in silence until someone like mccain starts giving them confidence to spout off all the dark bitterness that they have mulling over in their ignorant brains.
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SUPRMAN said:

By Michael D. Shear and Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 10, 2008; Page A04

WAUKESHA, Wis., Oct. 9 -- There were shouts of "Nobama" and "Socialist" at the mention of the Democratic presidential nominee. There were boos, middle fingers turned up and thumbs turned down as a media caravan moved through the crowd Thursday for a midday town hall gathering featuring John McCain and Sarah Palin.

"It is absolutely vital that you take it to Obama, that you hit him where it hits, there's a soft spot," said James T. Harris, a local radio talk show host, who urged the Republican nominee to use Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and others against him.

"We have the good Reverend Wright. We have [the Rev. Michael L.] Pfleger. We have all of these shady characters that have surrounded him," Harris bellowed. "We have corruption here in Wisconsin and voting across the nation. I am begging you, sir. I am begging you. Take it to him."

The crowd of thousands roared its approval.

In recent days, a campaign that embraced the mantra of "Country First" but is flagging in the polls and scrambling for a way to close the gap as the nation's economy slides into shambles has found itself at the center of an outpouring of raw emotion rare in a presidential race.


"There's 26 days and people are looking at the very serious possibility that there's a chance that Obama might get in, and they don't like that," said Ian Eltrich, 28, as he filed out of the crowded sports complex.

"I'm mad! I'm really mad!" another man said, taking the microphone and refusing to surrender it easily, even when McCain tried to agree with him.

"I'm not done. Lemme finish, please," he said after a standing ovation. "When you have Obama, [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and the rest of the hooligans up there going to run the country, we have to have our head examined.

"It's time that you two represent the rest of us. So go get 'em."

The crowd burst into loud chants of "U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Standing at the center of the crowd, McCain and Palin drew on the crowd's energy as they repeatedly trained their fire on Obama....


Here's video of what is being reported on here:


mccain pretty much failed to speak to what the man was saying, his comments and injunction.



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RodeoSchro said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

i don't understand what this man is angry about, specifically. if he is worried about the bailout (i guess that's what he means by "socialist"), shouldn't he be worried about McCain's vote for the bailout? confuse actually, i kinda thought that's where he was going, but i guess not.

the calls of "terrorist" and "kill him" are disturbing. McCain and Palin need to ratchet back on the rhetoric and publicly renounce those kinds of outbursts.


Now, now, now - to be fair, if you are a supporter of Nazi sympathizers and death squads, should you be surprised that people would say stuff like that in support of you at one of your rallies? And would you ever denounce that?

Of course not. That's why McCain hasn't denounced it or asked for it to stop.


now, now, now - to be fair, Nazi sypathizers and death squads are not the only supporters of McCain. corrupt bankers, Friedman disciples and misogynists may also say stuff like that at his rallies.
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i don't understand what this man is angry about, specifically. if he is worried about the bailout (i guess that's what he means by "socialist"), shouldn't he be worried about McCain's vote for the bailout? confuse actually, i kinda thought that's where he was going, but i guess not.
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you're right. i think he's pissed in large part about the bailout, and yes, he seems pissed at mccain, telling them they need to freakin' step up and represent them.

mccain dropped the ball here, and thinks somehow,
that his mealy-mouthed bi-partisan schtick is responsive.

the challenges facing america includes one big one that he just dropped the ball on, if not just for voting for it, but in not adequately addressing the problems it entails, and the proper, principled approach to solutions.
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IrresistibleB1tch said:

RodeoSchro said:



Now, now, now - to be fair, if you are a supporter of Nazi sympathizers and death squads, should you be surprised that people would say stuff like that in support of you at one of your rallies? And would you ever denounce that?

Of course not. That's why McCain hasn't denounced it or asked for it to stop.


now, now, now - to be fair, Nazi sypathizers and death squads are not the only supporters of McCain. corrupt bankers, Friedman disciples and misogynists may also say stuff like that at his rallies.


Now, now, now - to be fair, we have left out McCain's other core constituencies. Let's not forget all the adulterers out there who see McCain as a prime example of fucking your way to wealth. Also, anyone that graduated at the bottom of their class after only getting in because of their legacy is also a key constituency of McCain.
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IrresistibleB1tch said:



now, now, now - to be fair, Nazi sypathizers and death squads are not the only supporters of McCain. corrupt bankers, Friedman disciples and misogynists may also say stuff like that at his rallies.


Now, now, now - to be fair, we have left out McCain's other core constituencies. Let's not forget all the adulterers out there who see McCain as a prime example of fucking your way to wealth. Also, anyone that graduated at the bottom of their class after only getting in because of their legacy is also a key constituency of McCain.


now, now, now - to be fair, there were 4 people even worse in his graduating class! FOUR! that's like... a lot. and those people are angry. angry, i tell ya!
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