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McCain: Cone of silence or no cone of silence?

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McCain: Cone of silence or no cone of silence?
Jimmy Orr | 08.18.08


Thar’s a conspiracy a bubblin’ out in the land-of-the-tubes…

Well, there’s two. But one has to do with the alleged finding of Bigfoot. One conspiracy at a time…

Seems that when John McCain was supposed to be in a soundproof vault Saturday night or as Saddleback church pastor Rick Warren put it, a “cone of silence,” he was actually in his motorcade.

The deal going in to the high-profile first meeting of the two candidates was that while Barack Obama was being questioned by the best-selling author, John McCain would be in a disclosed - but soundproof - location in the building unable to hear the exchange between the two.

Not so. Yesterday on CNN, Warren confirmed that McCain was not in the building when the forum began. So how do we know if McCain listened or watched any of the discussion beforehand?

Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived.

There had been speculation before the CNN interview that John McCain perhaps might have heard something. NBC’s Andrea Mitchel brought it up on Meet the Press.

“The Obama people must feel that he didn’t do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that — what they’re putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

This exchange got the McCain folks pretty upset. So upset, campaign manager Rick Davis requested a meeting with the president of NBC news stating that it is “abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race.” Politico has the full letter here.

The New York Times’s Elizabeth Bumiller got a hold of McCain spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace who took umbrage at the charge.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.

Regardless, bloggers - like folks over at the DailyKos - don’t buy it.

CNN says they talked to McCain’s camp and they said no one in his camp was listening. The honor system, are you kidding me? I think it is pretty clear at this point McCain did indeed know the questions in advance.

Preparing its readers for Warren’s appearance on Larry King Live tonight, FiveThirtyEight.com lays the foundation for what they say is factual.

If McCain was in the motorcade, then there would be absolutely nothing, other than his honor, that would prevent him from hearing Obama’s questions. However, it is probably impossible to verify whether McCain had in fact heard any of the questions. The only people who could say for sure were the people in the motorcade with John McCain.

What we can possibly verify is whether the McCain people had violated an implied or expressed promise to have arrived at the venue by the time that Barack Obama’s interview began. Warren implied to a national audience that McCain was in a quarantined area at the time Obama’s interview began, but in fact McCain was not.

So, big deal or not? Larry King should get a big audience tonight.
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Reply #1 posted 08/18/08 8:24am

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Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived.


did his staff hear or see the broadcast? does McCain have a cell phone?

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.


oh, come the fuck on! disbelief

why didn't McCain or Warren mention anything about the late arrival? and does anybody else remember that McCain joked about "trying to listen through the walls"?

i don't know who did what, but some disclosure about the fact on the front end would have been the right thing to do. shrug
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Reply #2 posted 08/18/08 9:31am

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SUPRMAN said:

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.


He cheated on his wife upon his release as a POW.

If I were McCain's camp, I wouldn't go there.
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Reply #3 posted 08/18/08 9:40am

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Hmmm, So that's how Pops pulled it off? lol
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Reply #4 posted 08/18/08 9:52am

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RodeoSchro said:

SUPRMAN said:

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.


He cheated on his wife upon his release as a POW.

If I were McCain's camp, I wouldn't go there.


let's not forget the Keating 5...
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Reply #5 posted 08/18/08 10:08am

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SUPRMAN said:

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.


He cheated on his wife upon his release as a POW.

If I were McCain's camp, I wouldn't go there.



Good one!!!!
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Reply #6 posted 08/18/08 10:13am

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Then there's this:

I said on The Obama McCain Debate Thread:

We were told that McCain was in a "Cone Of Silence" during Obama's questioning but apparently that was not the truth...http://politicalticker.bl...f-silence/

So now I'm left to seriously wonder if he did not know the questions that were asked before they were asked. Yes, I know is staff is saying no but why the hell should we believe them?

I didn't watch all of McCains interview because frankly I can't stomach listening to him for too long but I did go to Rick Warren's website to read the transcript and something just jumped out at me and now with it coming out that McCain wasn't even at the church during Obama's interview, I have to wonder just honest the whole thing was?

http://www.rickwarrennews...ipt-05.txt
8 Q OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO LONGER ON THAT ONE. (W)

9 DEFINE MARRIAGE. (W)

10 A UNION -- A UNION BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN, BETWEEN (Mc)

11 ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE. (Mc)

12 ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPREME (Mc)

13 COURT JUSTICES. (Mc)

14 Q WE'LL GET TO THAT. (W)

15 A ALL RIGHT. OKAY. (Mc)

16 Q YOU GOT ALL MY QUESTIONS, GOOD. (W)


confuse I was under the impression that they weren't supposed to have known the questions ahead of time, hence the whole "Code Of Silence" gimmick. And if Pastor Warren is not saying that McCain had the questions before hand then how did he know Supreme Court Justices question when Pastor Warren hadn't even asked McCain about them yet?
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Reply #7 posted 08/18/08 10:29am

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after the adoption question Obama said,
“well, I have to admit I cheated a bit and did some research


eyepop shocked

lol
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Reply #8 posted 08/18/08 10:32am

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HiinEnkelte said:

after the adoption question Obama said,
“well, I have to admit I cheated a bit and did some research


eyepop shocked

lol



I guess this is proof that Obama was not under a "cone of silence". confused
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Reply #9 posted 08/18/08 11:02am

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HiinEnkelte said:

after the adoption question Obama said,
“well, I have to admit I cheated a bit and did some research


eyepop shocked

lol


But Obama went first, so I think that was in jest.
Unless he knew what questions would be asked
But it isn't hard to imagine given the forum that
abortion would be a question.
Easy enough to anticipate.
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Reply #10 posted 08/18/08 11:38am

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HiinEnkelte said:

after the adoption question Obama said,
“well, I have to admit I cheated a bit and did some research


eyepop shocked

lol


I've got to go pick up my glasses on Wednesday so I may have missed it, please show me where he said that...

http://www.rickwarrennews...t-02.txt
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Reply #11 posted 08/18/08 11:42am

MrSoulpower

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

HiinEnkelte said:

after the adoption question Obama said,
“well, I have to admit I cheated a bit and did some research


eyepop shocked

lol


I've got to go pick up my glasses on Wednesday so I may have missed it, please show me where he said that...

http://www.rickwarrennews...t-02.txt



He did say it. But since he went first, and unless he had the questions beforehand, Hiin's point is moot.
Of course the campaign teams of both candidates prepared them well for this forum, and they discussed possible answers for all questions. So Obama came prepared (just like McCain), and I think that's what he was referring to.
[Edited 8/18/08 11:43am]
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MrSoulpower said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



I've got to go pick up my glasses on Wednesday so I may have missed it, please show me where he said that...

http://www.rickwarrennews...t-02.txt



He did say it. But since he went first, and unless he had the questions beforehand, Hiin's point is moot.
Of course the campaign teams of both candidates prepared them well for this forum, and they discussed possible answers for all questions. So Obama came prepared (just like McCain), and I think that's what he was referring to.
[Edited 8/18/08 11:43am]


Warren admitted that he gave this question in advance to Obama, so that he would have time to think about it since it wwas sort of asking for a commitment!

ergo, not moot! and obama admitted that he cheated!

and his pants are on fire!

lol
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Reply #13 posted 08/18/08 11:47am

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MrSoulpower said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



I've got to go pick up my glasses on Wednesday so I may have missed it, please show me where he said that...

http://www.rickwarrennews...t-02.txt



He did say it. But since he went first, and unless he had the questions beforehand, Hiin's point is moot.
Of course the campaign teams of both candidates prepared them well for this forum, and they discussed possible answers for all questions. So Obama came prepared (just like McCain), and I think that's what he was referring to.
[Edited 8/18/08 11:43am]


Ah! Thanks!
Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #14 posted 08/18/08 11:48am

MrSoulpower

HiinEnkelte said:

MrSoulpower said:




He did say it. But since he went first, and unless he had the questions beforehand, Hiin's point is moot.
Of course the campaign teams of both candidates prepared them well for this forum, and they discussed possible answers for all questions. So Obama came prepared (just like McCain), and I think that's what he was referring to.
[Edited 8/18/08 11:43am]


Warren admitted that he gave this question in advance to Obama, so that he would have time to think about it since it wwas sort of asking for a commitment!

ergo, not moot! an obama admitted that he cheated!

and his pants are on fire!

lol


Did he give the question to McCain? Or another question instead?
If anything, he gave McCain the chance to listen to more than ten questions and Obama's responses in the 30 minutes he was not under "the cone".
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Reply #15 posted 08/18/08 11:49am

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MrSoulpower said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



I've got to go pick up my glasses on Wednesday so I may have missed it, please show me where he said that...

http://www.rickwarrennews...t-02.txt



He did say it. But since he went first, and unless he had the questions beforehand, Hiin's point is moot.
Of course the campaign teams of both candidates prepared them well for this forum, and they discussed possible answers for all questions. So Obama came prepared (just like McCain), and I think that's what he was referring to.
[Edited 8/18/08 11:43am]


from what i understand, both candidates were given some questions ahead of time. and yes, i'm sure there was a lot of coaching, etc. in the run-up to the event.
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and mccain even got question(s) that obama didn't because obama took so long with and between all the nuanced "uhhh...uhh"s and ran out his clock, and mccain answered those just as smooth, coherently, sharp, and quick.

ooooops!, nobody's mentioned that one yet!

just admit, we now know why obama has been dodging mccain in the townhall debates! we should already know this, he did the same with hillary late in the mono a mono race.

this from the man who would go anywhere anytime to talk with anyone!

spit
bwaaaaahahhahaa!

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Reply #17 posted 08/18/08 11:53am

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McCain drank Obama's milkshake!

lol
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Reply #18 posted 08/18/08 11:54am

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and mccain even got question(s) that obama didn't because he took so long with and between all the nuanced "uhhh...uhh"s, and mccain answered just as smooth, coherently, sharp, and quick.

ooooops!, nobody's mentioned that one yet!

just admit, we now know why obama has been dodging mccain in the townhall debates! we should already know this, he did the same with hillary late in the mono a mono race.

this from the man who would go anywhere anytime to talk with anyone!

spit
bwaaaaahahhahaa!


Smooth, sharp, quick and ... superficial. McCain was definitely more popular with the audience because he either 1. told stories to avoid and clear answer or 2. produced a response that he knew would be popular with the audience or 3. Told lies (the cross in the sand smile )

While I agree that for an uninformed viewer this made McCain look better, but I considered his responses rather shallow and picturesque. And half of his responses were outright bullshit (he claims that he'll catch Osama bin Laden?).
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HiinEnkelte said:

McCain drank Obama's milkshake!

lol


spit

If you knew what that means where I'm from, you really wouldn't have said that! falloff
[Edited 8/18/08 12:43pm]
Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #20 posted 08/18/08 12:46pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

HiinEnkelte said:

McCain drank Obama's milkshake!

lol


spit

If you knew what that means where I'm from you, really wouldn't have said it! falloff


hey, i just like when daniel day lewis says it in There Will be Blood!

uh...maybe it means like the Milkshake Song where you're from...? lol

oh who cares! he still drinks his milkshake! he drinks it up!

lol
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HiinEnkelte said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



spit

If you knew what that means where I'm from you, really wouldn't have said it! falloff


hey, i just like when daniel day lewis says it in There Will be Blood!

uh...maybe it means like the Milkshake Song where you're from...? lol

oh who cares! he still drinks his milkshake! he drinks it up!


lol


It does! And the visual I'm getting is just making my sides hurt! falloff
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Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

HiinEnkelte said:



hey, i just like when daniel day lewis says it in There Will be Blood!

uh...maybe it means like the Milkshake Song where you're from...? lol

oh who cares! he still drinks his milkshake! he drinks it up!


lol


It does! And the visual I'm getting is just making my sides hurt! falloff



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HiinEnkelte said:

and mccain even got question(s) that obama didn't because obama took so long with and between all the nuanced "uhhh...uhh"s and ran out his clock, and mccain answered those just as smooth, coherently, sharp, and quick.

ooooops!, nobody's mentioned that one yet!

just admit, we now know why obama has been dodging mccain in the townhall debates! we should already know this, he did the same with hillary late in the mono a mono race.

this from the man who would go anywhere anytime to talk with anyone!

spit
bwaaaaahahhahaa!

.
Except when he was stumbling like when he attempted to define marriage.

[Edited 8/18/08 11:51am]

[Edited 8/18/08 13:09pm]
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SUPRMAN said:

HiinEnkelte said:

and mccain even got question(s) that obama didn't because obama took so long with and between all the nuanced "uhhh...uhh"s and ran out his clock, and mccain answered those just as smooth, coherently, sharp, and quick.

ooooops!, nobody's mentioned that one yet!

just admit, we now know why obama has been dodging mccain in the townhall debates! we should already know this, he did the same with hillary late in the mono a mono race.

this from the man who would go anywhere anytime to talk with anyone!

spit
bwaaaaahahhahaa!

.
Except when he was stumbling like when he attempted to define marriage.

[Edited 8/18/08 11:51am]

[Edited 8/18/08 13:09pm]


you just added words to my post as if they were mine!
[Edited 8/18/08 13:11pm]
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Reply #25 posted 08/18/08 1:13pm

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MrSoulpower said:

HiinEnkelte said:

and mccain even got question(s) that obama didn't because he took so long with and between all the nuanced "uhhh...uhh"s, and mccain answered just as smooth, coherently, sharp, and quick.

ooooops!, nobody's mentioned that one yet!

just admit, we now know why obama has been dodging mccain in the townhall debates! we should already know this, he did the same with hillary late in the mono a mono race.

this from the man who would go anywhere anytime to talk with anyone!

spit
bwaaaaahahhahaa!


Smooth, sharp, quick and ... superficial. McCain was definitely more popular with the audience because he either 1. told stories to avoid and clear answer or 2. produced a response that he knew would be popular with the audience or 3. Told lies (the cross in the sand smile )

While I agree that for an uninformed viewer this made McCain look better, but I considered his responses rather shallow and picturesque. And half of his responses were outright bullshit (he claims that he'll catch Osama bin Laden?).


McCain knew that people like stories and he played it well. I'm sure he was aware that his cross story would suck that particular crowd in. Same with the catch Bin Laden line.

Like IB said, they were each given 2 questions ahead of time, but it was disingenuous for the pastor to claim that Pops was in a cone of silence when he knew that he wasn't even in the building. Turns out this was just another dog and pony show.
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Reply #26 posted 08/18/08 1:22pm

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McCain knew that people like stories and he played it well. I'm sure he was aware that his cross story would suck that particular crowd in. Same with the catch Bin Laden line.

Like IB said, they were each given 2 questions ahead of time, but it was disingenuous for the pastor to claim that Pops was in a cone of silence when he knew that he wasn't even in the building. Turns out this was just another dog and pony show.


And I still don't understand how any sane, intelligent mind would think that McCain gave the better answers. McCain was quick with the draw, but what he shot out was hot air. I'm sure the rather conservative audience enjoyed his warm, heartfelt stories (even though it's doubtful that most of them are true, but I guess as long as they sound good, it doesn't matter). But did McCain offer anything of substance? And how much did he dwell on his Vietnam experience? he talked so much about it that it made me get worried about him. Maybe he still suffers from post war stress syndrome? And if I have to hear him say "my friends" one more time, I'm tempted to pas him another swollen check.

I don't think Obama did bad. He's definitely more careful with what he says and he thinks before he says. And he doesn't shy away from expressing an opinion that may be unpopular with the audience.
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MrSoulpower said:[quote]

babynoz said:



McCain knew that people like stories and he played it well. I'm sure he was aware that his cross story would suck that particular crowd in. Same with the catch Bin Laden line.

Like IB said, they were each given 2 questions ahead of time, but it was disingenuous for the pastor to claim that Pops was in a cone of silence when he knew that he wasn't even in the building. Turns out this was just another dog and pony show.


And I still don't understand how any sane, intelligent mind would think that McCain gave the better answers. McCain was quick with the draw, but what he shot out was hot air. I'm sure the rather conservative audience enjoyed his warm, heartfelt stories (even though it's doubtful that most of them are true, but I guess as long as they sound good, it doesn't matter). But did McCain offer anything of substance? And how much did he dwell on his Vietnam experience? he talked so much about it that it made me get worried about him. Maybe he still suffers from post war stress syndrome? And if I have to hear him say "my friends" one more time, I'm tempted to pas him another swollen check.

I don't think Obama did bad. He's definitely more careful with what he says and he thinks before he says. And he doesn't shy away from expressing an opinion that may be unpopular with the audience.[/quote]


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HiinEnkelte said:

SUPRMAN said:


[Edited 8/18/08 13:09pm]


you just added words to my post as if they were mine!
[Edited 8/18/08 13:11pm]



The software did.
do you think I was trying to raise impressions of your IQ? hardly lol wink wink
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HiinEnkelte said:



you just added words to my post as if they were mine!
[Edited 8/18/08 13:11pm]



The software did.
do you think I was trying to raise impressions of your IQ? hardly lol wink wink


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