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Illegal imigrant births, at your expense.

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Reply #1 posted 04/16/08 1:49pm

IrresistibleB1
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As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug
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Reply #2 posted 04/16/08 1:59pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug



confused huh. next you'll be saying we should show compassion
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Reply #3 posted 04/16/08 2:00pm

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XxAxX said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug



confused huh. next you'll be saying we should show compassion


eek god forbid! shake where would we be if we were compassionate!
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Reply #4 posted 04/16/08 2:02pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

XxAxX said:




confused huh. next you'll be saying we should show compassion


eek god forbid! shake where would we be if we were compassionate!

satanists!!!!!
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Reply #5 posted 04/16/08 2:22pm

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ehuffnsd said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



eek god forbid! shake where would we be if we were compassionate!

satanists!!!!!


lol
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Reply #6 posted 04/16/08 2:23pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

ehuffnsd said:


satanists!!!!!


lol

has to be the work of Satan. why?

Evangilicals knows the pope is the antichrist. he's asking for better treatment. hince Satanists.
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Reply #7 posted 04/16/08 2:24pm

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ehuffnsd said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



lol

has to be the work of Satan. why?

Evangilicals knows the pope is the antichrist. he's asking for better treatment. hince Satanists.


eek what did i miss now?
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Reply #8 posted 04/16/08 2:25pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

ehuffnsd said:


has to be the work of Satan. why?

Evangilicals knows the pope is the antichrist. he's asking for better treatment. hince Satanists.


eek what did i miss now?

the whore of babylon is the Catholic Church... duh!!!!
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Reply #9 posted 04/16/08 2:53pm

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ehuffnsd said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



eek what did i miss now?

the whore of babylon is the Catholic Church... duh!!!!


disbelief
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Reply #10 posted 04/16/08 3:01pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

ehuffnsd said:


the whore of babylon is the Catholic Church... duh!!!!


disbelief

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Reply #11 posted 04/16/08 3:06pm

IrresistibleB1
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ehuffnsd said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



disbelief

hug


hug you know, sometimes i wonder what's happened to the country i came to 20 years ago.

did i just not see these horrible divisiveness then, or has it really gotten so much worse?

sigh i need a drink.
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Reply #12 posted 04/16/08 5:01pm

ThreadBare

Until the federal government revises automatic citizenship for babies born here, the system will not change.
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Reply #13 posted 04/18/08 6:17am

jbchavez

I work on the border between the US and Mexico for CBP, and I witness first hand how many children are born to both illegal immigrants and foreign nationals who have visas to enter the US. It is a violation of one's nonimmigrant status to receive any form of benifits from the US. I have canceled many visas of women who received Medicaid for the birth of a child here in the US.
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Reply #14 posted 04/18/08 9:13am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug


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Reply #15 posted 04/18/08 9:59am

IrresistibleB1
tch

June7 said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug


touched Beautiful post. I have a whole new respect for you. clapping


eek redface why, thank you.
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Reply #16 posted 04/18/08 10:18am

jbchavez

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug



I do believe in the term "illegal." Not that a person's being is illegal, but the physical presence of that person in the US is illegal. Also, the line(border) is not arbitrary. The borders are guarded by armed officers. That is not arbitrary.
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Reply #17 posted 04/18/08 10:27am

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jbchavez said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug



I do believe in the term "illegal." Not that a person's being is illegal, but the physical presence of that person in the US is illegal. Also, the line(border) is not arbitrary. The borders are guarded by armed officers. That is not arbitrary.
[Edited 4/18/08 10:18am]


well, we'll have to disagree then.
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Reply #18 posted 04/18/08 10:36am

coolcat

jbchavez said:

I work on the border between the US and Mexico for CBP, and I witness first hand how many children are born to both illegal immigrants and foreign nationals who have visas to enter the US. It is a violation of one's nonimmigrant status to receive any form of benifits from the US. I have canceled many visas of women who received Medicaid for the birth of a child here in the US.


Thank you for your service. I think the USA is really betraying its border agents... we either decide to have open borders and send our border agents out of harm's way... or we give them the tools to enforce the law.
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Reply #19 posted 04/18/08 11:27am

coolcat

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug


Should we have open borders?
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Reply #20 posted 04/18/08 11:28am

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How evil can you be to try and deem an innocent baby as a harm to our society. How evil to deny an innocent baby citizenship along with the rest of the innocent children that are born in this cuntry?
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Reply #21 posted 04/18/08 11:29am

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coolcat said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

shrug

As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."


http://www.immigrationfor...?tabid=724

a lot of factors play into the fact that illegal immigration (assuming for a moment that there is such a thing as being an illegal human being for crossing an arbitrary line in the landscape) benefits both the US and the immigrants. we will not see comprehensive immigration reform - to many people and corporations are benefitting from it.

as a legal immigrant, i used to hold some resentment against illegal immigrants. since then, i've come to believe that everybody simply does the best they can with what is given to them. shrug


Should we have open borders?


what is the use of borders to begin with?
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Reply #22 posted 04/18/08 11:35am

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since our economy, at least in CA, is dependant on migrant workers i don't see why it should matter.
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Reply #23 posted 04/18/08 11:42am

coolcat

IrresistibleB1tch said:

coolcat said:



Should we have open borders?


what is the use of borders to begin with?


It keeps two groups of people that follow different sets of laws separated... in each sovereign nation each group can follow their own laws without conflict from the other group...

remove all the borders in the world and whose rules do we follow...

Do you think we should we have open borders?

Maybe we should, but if that's so, we should immediately tell our border agents that are risking their lives...
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Reply #24 posted 04/18/08 11:47am

IrresistibleB1
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coolcat said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



what is the use of borders to begin with?


It keeps two groups of people that follow different sets of laws separated... in each sovereign nation each group can follow their own laws without conflict from the other group...

remove all the borders in the world and whose rules do we follow...

Do you think we should we have open borders?

Maybe we should, but if that's so, we should immediately tell our border agents that are risking their lives...


well - no borders, no border disputes, no wars over property, no "illigalization" of human beings...

i know this is utopian, but just think how much suffering has resulted from the claiming of land that's never really ours to begin with?
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Reply #25 posted 04/18/08 12:05pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

coolcat said:



It keeps two groups of people that follow different sets of laws separated... in each sovereign nation each group can follow their own laws without conflict from the other group...

remove all the borders in the world and whose rules do we follow...

Do you think we should we have open borders?

Maybe we should, but if that's so, we should immediately tell our border agents that are risking their lives...


well - no borders, no border disputes, no wars over property, no "illigalization" of human beings...

i know this is utopian, but just think how much suffering has resulted from the claiming of land that's never really ours to begin with?


There'd still be wars over property and illegalization of human beings... just look at the civil wars taking place around the world... instead of a war between nations we'd have a war within a nation...

That's what I'd see happening if we ended all borders... just a big civil war...

On the other hand if people weren't able to own property at all... then it would be something different...
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coolcat said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



well - no borders, no border disputes, no wars over property, no "illigalization" of human beings...

i know this is utopian, but just think how much suffering has resulted from the claiming of land that's never really ours to begin with?


There'd still be wars over property and illegalization of human beings... just look at the civil wars taking place around the world... instead of a war between nations we'd have a war within a nation...

That's what I'd see happening if we ended all borders... just a big civil war...

On the other hand if people weren't able to own property at all... then it would be something different...
[Edited 4/18/08 12:05pm]


most wars are over property and power. nod
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IrresistibleB1tch said:

coolcat said:



It keeps two groups of people that follow different sets of laws separated... in each sovereign nation each group can follow their own laws without conflict from the other group...

remove all the borders in the world and whose rules do we follow...

Do you think we should we have open borders?

Maybe we should, but if that's so, we should immediately tell our border agents that are risking their lives...


well - no borders, no border disputes, no wars over property, no "illigalization" of human beings...

i know this is utopian, but just think how much suffering has resulted from the claiming of land that's never really ours to begin with?


Very true nod. Too bad it's utopian sad.
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Reply #28 posted 04/18/08 1:39pm

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Serious said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



well - no borders, no border disputes, no wars over property, no "illigalization" of human beings...

i know this is utopian, but just think how much suffering has resulted from the claiming of land that's never really ours to begin with?


Very true nod. Too bad it's utopian sad.


wave hi Martina!
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Reply #29 posted 04/18/08 1:43pm

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Serious said:



Very true nod. Too bad it's utopian sad.


wave hi Martina!


hug Hi Martina!
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