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Thread started 08/17/07 6:52am

SensualMelody

Shacking?...and Christian?

I am meeting more and more people who are living together as a couple, having children, but are not married. Yet repeatedly they affirm that they are Christians. Yes, they say they believe the whole Bible is God's Word.
Yes, they wanna go to heaven.
It doesn't seem to add up, I mean logically.
What say you of this paradox?
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #1 posted 08/17/07 6:56am

Lothan

Hello Melody. Stymie here. biggrin

My honest answer is that they are not any different from anyone else proclaiming to be Christian and love God and yet continues to sin. That's pretty much everybody.

And I believe that God could forgive those people as He looks at the whole person.
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Reply #2 posted 08/17/07 7:01am

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I would say they are much less enlightened than you and probably cursed.
Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #3 posted 08/17/07 7:02am

Rhondab

Lothan said:

Hello Melody. Stymie here. biggrin

My honest answer is that they are not any different from anyone else proclaiming to be Christian and love God and yet continues to sin. That's pretty much everybody.

And I believe that God could forgive those people as He looks at the whole person.



I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.
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Reply #4 posted 08/17/07 7:11am

Lothan

Rhondab said:

Lothan said:

Hello Melody. Stymie here. biggrin

My honest answer is that they are not any different from anyone else proclaiming to be Christian and love God and yet continues to sin. That's pretty much everybody.

And I believe that God could forgive those people as He looks at the whole person.



I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.
I agree with everything you've said.
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Reply #5 posted 08/17/07 7:23am

Rhondab

Lothan said:

Rhondab said:




I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.
I agree with everything you've said.


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Reply #6 posted 08/17/07 7:34am

Mach

Lothan said:

Hello Melody. Stymie here. biggrin

My honest answer is that they are not any different from anyone else proclaiming to be Christian and love God and yet continues to sin. That's pretty much everybody.

And I believe that God could forgive those people as He looks at the whole person.


nod
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Reply #7 posted 08/17/07 7:47am

Lothan

Rhondab said:

Lothan said:

I agree with everything you've said.


wink
I wanna disagree. lol

But everytime I think of things I've tried to justify, it's like God Himself is saying "don't even think about it". It even gets easier to believe there is not a God when I want to do what I want to do sometimes.
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Reply #8 posted 08/17/07 8:21am

Rhondab

Lothan said:

Rhondab said:



wink
I wanna disagree. lol

But everytime I think of things I've tried to justify, it's like God Himself is saying "don't even think about it". It even gets easier to believe there is not a God when I want to do what I want to do sometimes.



lol


God is funny that way.....Like....excuse you sista...you know betta...

I do feel ya.
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Reply #9 posted 08/17/07 9:03am

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how is it anyone else's business?

it's between them and their god. period.
bye felicia!
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Reply #10 posted 08/17/07 9:32am

Uhope

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SensualMelody said:

I am meeting more and more people who are living together as a couple, having children, but are not married. Yet repeatedly they affirm that they are Christians. Yes, they say they believe the whole Bible is God's Word.
Yes, they wanna go to heaven.
It doesn't seem to add up, I mean logically.
What say you of this paradox?


I think it's because immorality in all its facets has not been expounded upon as wrong from the Bible's view as much as some, certain sins. Religious leaders are quite concerned to keep members in their churches and as life has become more permissive, some of those leaders have become more lenient regarding the Bible's standards.

Can you imagine what would happen in your random church if the minister began preaching and enforcing the Bible's standards regarding immorality besides homosexuality? omg

And remember, "immorality" encompasses much more than simply sexual sins. It's dishonesty, lying, stealing, cheating, drunkenness, etc.

Yes, ultimately our relationship with God is between Him and us. But He lovingly provided the Bible so we could have some guidelines as to what He expects of us. If we deliberately go against what we have learned from the Bible to be wrong -- not judging what others do; what WE'RE doing -- how can we believe that God approves of us?

But . . . many religious leaders do not teach that kind of accountability to church members.

So, they feel comfortable calling themselves Christians. shrug

That's what I think, anyway. smile
Go to the source: http://www.jw.org/en

Thanks! biggrin
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Reply #11 posted 08/17/07 9:34am

mdiver

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how is it anyone else's business?

it's between them and their god. period.


As far as judgement yes of course you are right however in the scriptures we are encouraged to think of how aour actions may affect the concience of others or how we act and the way that reflects on "our" god. So it is a legitimate question to ask, what we then do with that is where i agree with your statement. If we then judge we are wrong, if we allow them their concience and move on...even better
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Reply #12 posted 08/17/07 9:37am

m3taverse

Rhondab said:

Lothan said:

I agree with everything you've said.


wink


get a room you guys!
"this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre"
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Reply #13 posted 08/17/07 9:38am

ehuffnsd

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Rhondab said:

Lothan said:

Hello Melody. Stymie here. biggrin

My honest answer is that they are not any different from anyone else proclaiming to be Christian and love God and yet continues to sin. That's pretty much everybody.

And I believe that God could forgive those people as He looks at the whole person.



I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.


lets not forget there are enlightened couples out there not getting married in protest of the current legal system.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #14 posted 08/17/07 9:40am

mdiver

ehuffnsd said:

Rhondab said:




I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.


lets not forget there are enlightened couples out there not getting married in protest of the current legal system.


confuse
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Reply #15 posted 08/17/07 10:07am

Rhondab

ehuffnsd said:

Rhondab said:




I do agree Ivy.


I would also say that "shackin'" and "forincation" doesn't get the same time in the pulpit as homosexuality and abortions.


This could be the reason for the justification of living together. I don't know.

On some level we all have, at some time, try to justify why what we're doing isn't against the Word.

Revelation comes....then wisdom....then change...hopefully.


lets not forget there are enlightened couples out there not getting married in protest of the current legal system.



Interesting.

You can protest whatever you want...you still shackin'...lol
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Reply #16 posted 08/17/07 10:08am

Rhondab

cborgman said:

how is it anyone else's business?

it's between them and their god. period.



chair

That's not the point...lol


We KNOWWWWW its their business....
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Reply #17 posted 08/17/07 10:10am

ehuffnsd

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Rhondab said:

ehuffnsd said:



lets not forget there are enlightened couples out there not getting married in protest of the current legal system.



Interesting.

You can protest whatever you want...you still shackin'...lol



does XxAxX know you have these antifeminist views.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #18 posted 08/17/07 10:14am

Rhondab

ehuffnsd said:

Rhondab said:




Interesting.

You can protest whatever you want...you still shackin'...lol



does XxAxX know you have these antifeminist views.



how is this antifeminist? lol


You can do whatever you want....it is what it is....
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Reply #19 posted 08/17/07 10:17am

ehuffnsd

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Rhondab said:

ehuffnsd said:




does XxAxX know you have these antifeminist views.



how is this antifeminist? lol


You can do whatever you want....it is what it is....



i hoping to envoke XxAxX on this thread. so i have to throw out the word Feminist to bring her.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #20 posted 08/17/07 10:26am

Rhondab

ehuffnsd said:

Rhondab said:




how is this antifeminist? lol


You can do whatever you want....it is what it is....



i hoping to envoke XxAxX on this thread. so i have to throw out the word Feminist to bring her.



lol

I'm going to create a "Whites getting a black pass in the hood" thread just for you... wink
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Reply #21 posted 08/17/07 10:35am

m3taverse

If biblical morality in all its fullnes is preached, churches are largely empty. People "need" religion in their life to feel better, not to feel worse.
The majority will never adjust their lifestyle to fit religion, they need religion to fit their lifestyle.

Most religions willingly cater to this mechanism, for a variety of reasons.
"this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre"
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Reply #22 posted 08/17/07 10:38am

ehuffnsd

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Rhondab said:

ehuffnsd said:




i hoping to envoke XxAxX on this thread. so i have to throw out the word Feminist to bring her.



lol

I'm going to create a "Whites getting a black pass in the hood" thread just for you... wink



where is GP when i need him/her, and as for you chair
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #23 posted 08/17/07 10:42am

Uhope

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m3taverse said:

If biblical morality in all its fullnes is preached, churches are largely empty. People "need" religion in their life to feel better, not to feel worse.
The majority will never adjust their lifestyle to fit religion, they need religion to fit their lifestyle.

Most religions willingly cater to this mechanism, for a variety of reasons.


For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4)
Go to the source: http://www.jw.org/en

Thanks! biggrin
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Reply #24 posted 08/17/07 10:45am

Rhondab

Uhope said:

m3taverse said:

If biblical morality in all its fullnes is preached, churches are largely empty. People "need" religion in their life to feel better, not to feel worse.
The majority will never adjust their lifestyle to fit religion, they need religion to fit their lifestyle.

Most religions willingly cater to this mechanism, for a variety of reasons.


For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4)



and there you have it....
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Reply #25 posted 08/17/07 11:03am

m3taverse

Uhope said:

m3taverse said:

If biblical morality in all its fullnes is preached, churches are largely empty. People "need" religion in their life to feel better, not to feel worse.
The majority will never adjust their lifestyle to fit religion, they need religion to fit their lifestyle.

Most religions willingly cater to this mechanism, for a variety of reasons.


For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4)


Of course this was already true at the time of writing.
And, as I see it, will always be true. The morality laid out in the Bible is not innate to the Human race.
"this especially prepared potato is called pomme de terre"
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Reply #26 posted 08/17/07 11:05am

Uhope

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m3taverse said:

Uhope said:



Of course this was already true at the time of writing.
And, as I see it, will always be true. The morality laid out in the Bible is not innate to the Human race.


You are correct. nod

Which is why it's a struggle to measure up to what God expects of us. The Bible says that the inclination of man is bad from his youth up.

But it's not impossible to try.

And He does expect us to do our best and not excuse our transgressions
Go to the source: http://www.jw.org/en

Thanks! biggrin
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Reply #27 posted 08/17/07 11:06am

Rhondab

Uhope said:[quote]

m3taverse said:






And He does expect us to do our best and not excuse our transgressions



nod
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Reply #28 posted 08/17/07 11:10am

Imago

OH MY GOD. I think I'm addicted to this jankity forum. eek
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Reply #29 posted 08/17/07 11:18am

cborgman

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mdiver said:

cborgman said:

how is it anyone else's business?

it's between them and their god. period.


As far as judgement yes of course you are right however in the scriptures we are encouraged to think of how aour actions may affect the concience of others or how we act and the way that reflects on "our" god. So it is a legitimate question to ask, what we then do with that is where i agree with your statement. If we then judge we are wrong, if we allow them their concience and move on...even better


see, i don't even think the question is even valid to ask. it's between them and their god and is no one else's business. they arent hurting anyone.

leave 'em be.
bye felicia!
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