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Thread started 08/06/06 7:57pm

ShySlantedEye1

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What are our Veteran's worth?

Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one right on the head.....

By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbi ng about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.


If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.

Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle Eastwhile their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own U.S. Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system.

If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting. "When do we finally do something about this?"

If this doesn't seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can.


This is some bullshit that is unfair to EVERY MOTHER FUCKING VET ON EARTH! It is sad that the deaths on 9-11 happened but it makes our sacrifices as a veteran seem worthless and unappreciated. Yes we joined for crazy reasons like patriotizism, college fund and egos and this is not a reason to be compensated. But should we let our veterans and families live off of welfare? Had to vent and I know my rant would have been moved over here anyway.

A very pissed off Veteran and government employee, Shy Slanted Eye One!
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Reply #1 posted 08/06/06 10:11pm

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I think, nah, no the reason for the high payouts to 9/11 victims is because it was preventable and we really don't want any witches to start getting their panties in a bunch over that fact, although thankfully some did.

Rush is at least not being hypocritical by supporting this war and the next few (which I'm sure he and the Neocons are planning out now) but most Cons view the soliders as just meat....they really hate it when we actually talk about the losses and put a human face on these people. It's just capatial, like a brick! I don't say that all liberals are better, most looking at the soliders as if they are dumb killing machines. Thankfully there are people looking out for the soliders but unless more attention is given to this, it won't change.
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Reply #2 posted 08/07/06 8:20pm

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yeah but they can buy extra insurance for a few bucks a month. it is like $7 for 100,000
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Reply #3 posted 08/07/06 8:24pm

coolcat

What does one have to do with the other?
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Reply #4 posted 08/07/06 8:39pm

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coolcat said:

What does one have to do with the other?


they have nothing to do with each other
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Reply #5 posted 08/07/06 8:40pm

SlamGlam

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oh and i DOUBT this is from Rush.
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Reply #6 posted 08/07/06 9:22pm

ElCapitan

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"What kind of fuck ending is that?"
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Reply #7 posted 08/07/06 10:39pm

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VinnyM27 said:

I think, nah, no the reason for the high payouts to 9/11 victims is because it was preventable and we really don't want any witches to start getting their panties in a bunch over that fact, although thankfully some did.

Rush is at least not being hypocritical by supporting this war and the next few (which I'm sure he and the Neocons are planning out now) but most Cons view the soliders as just meat....they really hate it when we actually talk about the losses and put a human face on these people. It's just capatial, like a brick! I don't say that all liberals are better, most looking at the soliders as if they are dumb killing machines. Thankfully there are people looking out for the soliders but unless more attention is given to this, it won't change.



no...the reason for the high payouts is because no one DARES to tell 9/11 survivors they can't have their money.....preventable my ass...that is just a weak assed excuse....that money is nothing more than paying homage to the catalyst of significant changes to the practice of democracy....don't get me wrong...I have nothing but sympathy for the folks who lost their lives in the towers....but I have just a wee bit more for my fellow comrades in arms who are currently getting blown up by IEDs....or getting hit by rocket and mortar attacks...and a ton more sympathy for their families, who after getting a couple of bucks from the government get written off...forgotten....I guess if the meat can't get to the frying pan, than it serves no purpose....
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Reply #8 posted 08/07/06 10:42pm

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SlamGlam said:

yeah but they can buy extra insurance for a few bucks a month. it is like $7 for 100,000



Actually, its $29/month for $400,000....and we have no choice but to enroll in the SGLI....its $7/month for the family SGLI, where if my spouse kicks before me, I get $100,000....It used to be $100,000 for us (remember we could decide exactly how much we wanted) but in the last 10 or so years the payout went up....granted, the actual amount doesn't even come close to 400grand....but it looks good on paper....
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Reply #9 posted 08/08/06 2:23pm

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reneGade20 said:

SlamGlam said:

yeah but they can buy extra insurance for a few bucks a month. it is like $7 for 100,000



Actually, its $29/month for $400,000....and we have no choice but to enroll in the SGLI....its $7/month for the family SGLI, where if my spouse kicks before me, I get $100,000....It used to be $100,000 for us (remember we could decide exactly how much we wanted) but in the last 10 or so years the payout went up....granted, the actual amount doesn't even come close to 400grand....but it looks good on paper....



ahhh yeah when i was in it was only 'voluntary' by policy. but if you did not want it they gave you hell. and i think you could only opt out if you did not have any dependants.
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Reply #10 posted 08/08/06 2:55pm

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SlamGlam said:

reneGade20 said:




Actually, its $29/month for $400,000....and we have no choice but to enroll in the SGLI....its $7/month for the family SGLI, where if my spouse kicks before me, I get $100,000....It used to be $100,000 for us (remember we could decide exactly how much we wanted) but in the last 10 or so years the payout went up....granted, the actual amount doesn't even come close to 400grand....but it looks good on paper....



ahhh yeah when i was in it was only 'voluntary' by policy. but if you did not want it they gave you hell. and i think you could only opt out if you did not have any dependants.


Seriously, if you have a family and you voluntarily take a job that may involve people shooting at you, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting properly insured.

Especially with relatively low premiums.

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Reply #11 posted 08/08/06 3:02pm

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ElCapitan said:

Seriously, if you have a family and you voluntarily take a job that may involve people shooting at you, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting properly insured.


I agree. at the time it was just me... i was not happy about it, why should my crazy mom get a pay off if i died?



Especially with relatively low premiums.


i do not think they are all that great.
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Reply #12 posted 08/08/06 4:18pm

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SlamGlam said:

ElCapitan said:

Seriously, if you have a family and you voluntarily take a job that may involve people shooting at you, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting properly insured.


I agree. at the time it was just me... i was not happy about it, why should my crazy mom get a pay off if i died?



Especially with relatively low premiums.


i do not think they are all that great.



I felt the same way my first term....I was single and needed the beer money.... lol
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Reply #13 posted 08/08/06 7:45pm

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reneGade20 said:

VinnyM27 said:

I think, nah, no the reason for the high payouts to 9/11 victims is because it was preventable and we really don't want any witches to start getting their panties in a bunch over that fact, although thankfully some did.

Rush is at least not being hypocritical by supporting this war and the next few (which I'm sure he and the Neocons are planning out now) but most Cons view the soliders as just meat....they really hate it when we actually talk about the losses and put a human face on these people. It's just capatial, like a brick! I don't say that all liberals are better, most looking at the soliders as if they are dumb killing machines. Thankfully there are people looking out for the soliders but unless more attention is given to this, it won't change.



no...the reason for the high payouts is because no one DARES to tell 9/11 survivors they can't have their money.....preventable my ass...that is just a weak assed excuse....that money is nothing more than paying homage to the catalyst of significant changes to the practice of democracy....don't get me wrong...I have nothing but sympathy for the folks who lost their lives in the towers....but I have just a wee bit more for my fellow comrades in arms who are currently getting blown up by IEDs....or getting hit by rocket and mortar attacks...and a ton more sympathy for their families, who after getting a couple of bucks from the government get written off...forgotten....I guess if the meat can't get to the frying pan, than it serves no purpose....


I know....the draft sucks....Oh, wait a second! I have a lot sympathy for our troops, but unlike the 9/11 victims, they had some idea what they are getting into. No, I guess people don't question the 9/11 victims families getting money but maybe it's time we start questioning our politicans about the way families of war veterens are treated and then things will get done.
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Reply #14 posted 08/15/06 7:05am

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VinnyM27 said:

reneGade20 said:




no...the reason for the high payouts is because no one DARES to tell 9/11 survivors they can't have their money.....preventable my ass...that is just a weak assed excuse....that money is nothing more than paying homage to the catalyst of significant changes to the practice of democracy....don't get me wrong...I have nothing but sympathy for the folks who lost their lives in the towers....but I have just a wee bit more for my fellow comrades in arms who are currently getting blown up by IEDs....or getting hit by rocket and mortar attacks...and a ton more sympathy for their families, who after getting a couple of bucks from the government get written off...forgotten....I guess if the meat can't get to the frying pan, than it serves no purpose....


I know....the draft sucks....Oh, wait a second! I have a lot sympathy for our troops, but unlike the 9/11 victims, they had some idea what they are getting into. No, I guess people don't question the 9/11 victims families getting money but maybe it's time we start questioning our politicans about the way families of war veterens are treated and then things will get done.




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Reply #15 posted 08/16/06 3:22am

Abrazo

After Vietnam you should have known FOR SURE that the government doesn't care about you or your families, never has and never will.

And when the "Yes we joined for crazy reasons like patriotizism, college fund and egos and this is not a reason to be compensated" is true for most soldiers, what do you really expect then?
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