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Joan Collins - England - Sign of the Times..

BRITAIN DESTROYING ITSELF FROM WITHIN
BY JOAN COLLINS
UK DAILY MAIL
THUS AUG 04, 2005

A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within, said the American historian Will Durrant about ancient Rome. This self-destruction of values is exactly what is happening in England today.

Yes, I still call the country of my birth England, in spite of the peculiar political correctness that insists that it be called 'the UK' and that we, its denizens, must be 'Britons'.

Even though the Welsh are proud to call themselves Welsh, as are the Irish and certainly the Scots, woe betide the Briton who calls himself 'English' -- a much-frowned-upon no-no.

I believe that when a country loses so much respect for itself that it can no longer even be identified by its historically correct name, insecurity and lack of respect filter down to its inhabitants.

Recently, I have concluded that London is no longer the 'seat of civilised society' that the world once considered it to be, and is certainly not the safe city I grew up in.

A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.

My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.

As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us.

This was a person who should, or at least looked like he should, have known better. The cause of his behaviour? The awful pervasive disregard that we have for civility today.

Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed. Look at a poor derelict collapsed in a doorway for more than a second and they'll spit at you. Surely everyone has experienced the barely suppressed rage lurking behind the faces of a vast number of car drivers.

We've become the 'Whatcha lookin' at?' culture. Why do young people consider it cool to be arrogant, swaggering and rude? Why do so many people in England seem so cynical and self-centred?

I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order.

THE WHOLE scene evoked the image of hordes of inebriated Vikings sacking devastated towns. Even during the day, feral mobs roamed the cities with absolute disregard for anyone else's property or well-being. Traditional virtues of male chivalry and female propriety were very far from view.

After all, a lack of manners and politeness in a society can only be a reflection of what the society thinks of itself.

It's frightful how being told that you are no good makes you hate yourself, and hate others. And it's frightful how quickly a whole country of self-loathers can be bred.



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Reply #1 posted 08/04/05 8:08am

Gold319

I COULDNT AGREE WITH HER MORE!!!!! nod nod nod nod

I 2 read her article 2day and she is 1,000,000% right!!!!!
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Reply #2 posted 08/04/05 9:32am

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BRITAIN DESTROYING ITSELF FROM WITHIN
BY JOAN COLLINS

[b]Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed. Look at a poor derelict collapsed in a doorway for more than a second and they'll spit at you. Surely everyone has experienced the barely suppressed rage lurking behind the faces of a vast number of car drivers.




nod i hear ya, joan! the teensiest things can set those brits off! accidentally set fire to someone's frock?? watchout! accidentally push someone's gram down the stairs? holdontoyourhat! accidentally steal someone's purse? Whonellieyou'reintrouble!
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Reply #3 posted 08/04/05 9:47am

shausler

what does joan collins put behind her ears befora a date































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her ankles
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Reply #4 posted 08/04/05 9:55am

Jon

This woman talks a crock of shit... Britons? I have never called myself a Briton. I am fucking English woman!

"A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.

My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.

As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us."

Ha! Its a tough life living in cloud-celebrity-cuckoo land isnt it... I cant imagine how different London must look today than it did in her childhood. The Grosvenor House Hotel and a black tie do? Phew, how unfortunate to be so down trodden these days.

"Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed"... Perhaps it has something to do with you. No one swears at me for accidently bumping into someone. We both just say sorry and carry on...

"I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order."

No you didnt! You witnessed "Britains worst pubs" on TV or read about it in your tabloid of choice!

Stupid cow. Thank goodness she emigrated.
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Reply #5 posted 08/04/05 10:00am

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hmm oh holy cow ...
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Reply #6 posted 08/04/05 10:15am

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Bad actress, bad writer.
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Reply #7 posted 08/04/05 10:17am

shausler

remember when she chirped up about mad cow desease


hoo faa
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Reply #8 posted 08/04/05 11:54am

Gold319

I absolutely agree with Joan Collins and her views of Britain!! This shithole is the most soul-destroying place on Earth!! The papers over the past 2 days have been loaded with reports on how low this country has got!! Doctors with degrees and diplomas cant get jobs in hospitals despite long waiting lists for operations and the NHS crying out for doctors(In one case, one doctor is bunking off 2 New Zealand cos he has more chance of getting a job there than here!!!), the yob culture, the lack of jobs full stop per se, the rising cost of living, the never-ending taxes, benefits going 2 the wrong people(I wish we were showered with new cars and free homes, like these terrorists were!!)!! I could go on and on!!!!

GOD FORBID WHEN NOVEMBER COMES AND THE PUBS ARE GONNA B OPEN 24/7!!!! TOTAL MAYHEM AND ANARCHY IS GONNA ERUPT ON TOP OF WHAT IS ALREADY HERE!!! WHOEVER PASSED THE BILL FOR THIS SHOULD B EXECUTED!!!! JUST IMAGINE WAKING UP AND GOING DOWN 2 THE PUB FOR A FEW BEERS FOR BREAKFAST!!!! shocked shocked shocked
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Reply #9 posted 08/04/05 11:58am

Jon

Gold319 said:

I absolutely agree with Joan Collins


Excellent! Got your one way ticket out of here yet? No? Didnt think so.
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Reply #10 posted 08/04/05 12:01pm

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my new word of the day is 'yob'


brits have the best slang!
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Reply #11 posted 08/04/05 12:10pm

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Gold319 said:

I absolutely agree with Joan Collins and her views of Britain!! This shithole is the most soul-destroying place on Earth!! The papers over the past 2 days have been loaded with reports on how low this country has got!! Doctors with degrees and diplomas cant get jobs in hospitals despite long waiting lists for operations and the NHS crying out for doctors(In one case, one doctor is bunking off 2 New Zealand cos he has more chance of getting a job there than here!!!), the yob culture, the lack of jobs full stop per se, the rising cost of living, the never-ending taxes, benefits going 2 the wrong people(I wish we were showered with new cars and free homes, like these terrorists were!!)!! I could go on and on!!!!

GOD FORBID WHEN NOVEMBER COMES AND THE PUBS ARE GONNA B OPEN 24/7!!!! TOTAL MAYHEM AND ANARCHY IS GONNA ERUPT ON TOP OF WHAT IS ALREADY HERE!!! WHOEVER PASSED THE BILL FOR THIS SHOULD B EXECUTED!!!! JUST IMAGINE WAKING UP AND GOING DOWN 2 THE PUB FOR A FEW BEERS FOR BREAKFAST!!!! shocked shocked shocked


they are? britians nightlife is gonna be jamming...

jammin on the one!!!
Space for sale...
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/05 12:15pm

Jon

XxAxX said:

my new word of the day is 'yob'


brits have the best slang!


Is it true that the films "Lock, Stock..." and "Snatch" had to be subtitled for American audiences?

Thats what I heard anyway...
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Reply #13 posted 08/04/05 2:10pm

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Jon said:

This woman talks a crock of shit... Britons? I have never called myself a Briton. I am fucking English woman!

"A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.

My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.

As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us."

Ha! Its a tough life living in cloud-celebrity-cuckoo land isnt it... I cant imagine how different London must look today than it did in her childhood. The Grosvenor House Hotel and a black tie do? Phew, how unfortunate to be so down trodden these days.

"Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed"... Perhaps it has something to do with you. No one swears at me for accidently bumping into someone. We both just say sorry and carry on...

"I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order."

No you didnt! You witnessed "Britains worst pubs" on TV or read about it in your tabloid of choice!

Stupid cow. Thank goodness she emigrated.

Jon, I may not always agree with you, mate, but I can't argue with that!!
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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #14 posted 08/04/05 2:49pm

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Face it, Joan is on to something here - just yesterday, the light barely turned green and the anxious driver behind slammed on her horn, funny enough. We pulled in to the same department store - as we waited for the elevator I said to her, too bad you don't have your horn in here. The lady responded, "wake up and smell the green light" HA! I was like, wow - did you just make that up? I can play tit for tat, but it was so uncalled for...and she was just going to do some shopping. I saw her awhile later on - no signs of being in a hurry..

Ayway can one of you "Brits" tell me what is a "wanker"? I here it in English films, but never know exactly what it means. Thanks!




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Reply #15 posted 08/04/05 2:54pm

Jon

wanker ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wngkr)
n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang

1. A person who masturbates.
2. A detestable person.
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Reply #16 posted 08/04/05 4:25pm

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Jon said:

wanker ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wngkr)
n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang

1. A person who masturbates.
2. A detestable person.



eek I had no idea - thank you.
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Reply #17 posted 08/04/05 4:38pm

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gabeez said:

Face it, Joan is on to something here - just yesterday, the light barely turned green and the anxious driver behind slammed on her horn, funny enough. We pulled in to the same department store - as we waited for the elevator I said to her, too bad you don't have your horn in here. The lady responded, "wake up and smell the green light" HA! I was like, wow - did you just make that up? I can play tit for tat, but it was so uncalled for...and she was just going to do some shopping. I saw her awhile later on - no signs of being in a hurry..

Ayway can one of you "Brits" tell me what is a "wanker"? I here it in English films, but never know exactly what it means. Thanks!




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been hearing it a lot lately?!

(sorry, back on the high road, but you asked for it...)
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Reply #18 posted 08/05/05 1:37am

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gabeez said:

BRITAIN DESTROYING ITSELF FROM WITHIN
BY JOAN COLLINS
UK DAILY MAIL
THUS AUG 04, 2005

A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within, said the American historian Will Durrant about ancient Rome. This self-destruction of values is exactly what is happening in England today.

Yes, I still call the country of my birth England, in spite of the peculiar political correctness that insists that it be called 'the UK' and that we, its denizens, must be 'Britons'.

Even though the Welsh are proud to call themselves Welsh, as are the Irish and certainly the Scots, woe betide the Briton who calls himself 'English' -- a much-frowned-upon no-no.

I believe that when a country loses so much respect for itself that it can no longer even be identified by its historically correct name, insecurity and lack of respect filter down to its inhabitants.

Recently, I have concluded that London is no longer the 'seat of civilised society' that the world once considered it to be, and is certainly not the safe city I grew up in.

A particular incident demonstrated the lack of respect and manners that is but a small example of the horrible, encroaching decay of the country that I love dearly.

My husband Percy and I were at a ball at the Grosvenor House Hotel -- a black-tie event attended by the socalled 'elite' of the city.

As Percy held the door open to let me through, a 6ft tall, middle-aged, horse-faced male pushed past me, trod on the hem of my dress and rushed outside to climb into the taxi that the doorman had waiting for us.

This was a person who should, or at least looked like he should, have known better. The cause of his behaviour? The awful pervasive disregard that we have for civility today.

Bump accidentally into someone in the street these days and you are soundly cursed. Look at a poor derelict collapsed in a doorway for more than a second and they'll spit at you. Surely everyone has experienced the barely suppressed rage lurking behind the faces of a vast number of car drivers.

We've become the 'Whatcha lookin' at?' culture. Why do young people consider it cool to be arrogant, swaggering and rude? Why do so many people in England seem so cynical and self-centred?

I witnessed young, drunken yobs roaming the streets kicking cars, screaming insults, pushing people and even pushchairs out of their way, attacking each other viciously and then turning on the police when they tried to maintain order.

THE WHOLE scene evoked the image of hordes of inebriated Vikings sacking devastated towns. Even during the day, feral mobs roamed the cities with absolute disregard for anyone else's property or well-being. Traditional virtues of male chivalry and female propriety were very far from view.

After all, a lack of manners and politeness in a society can only be a reflection of what the society thinks of itself.

It's frightful how being told that you are no good makes you hate yourself, and hate others. And it's frightful how quickly a whole country of self-loathers can be bred.



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Remember when she went to court and just told half the truth..classic
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Reply #19 posted 08/05/05 1:38am

geminami

Gold319 said:

I COULDNT AGREE WITH HER MORE!!!!! nod nod nod nod

I 2 read her article 2day and she is 1,000,000% right!!!!!


I think maybe just 100% right would suffice...are you always so dramatic?
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Reply #20 posted 08/05/05 4:54am

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gabeez said:

Face it, Joan is on to something here - just yesterday, the light barely turned green and the anxious driver behind slammed on her horn, funny enough. We pulled in to the same department store - as we waited for the elevator I said to her, too bad you don't have your horn in here. The lady responded, "wake up and smell the green light" HA! I was like, wow - did you just make that up? I can play tit for tat, but it was so uncalled for...and she was just going to do some shopping. I saw her awhile later on - no signs of being in a hurry..

Ayway can one of you "Brits" tell me what is a "wanker"? I here it in English films, but never know exactly what it means. Thanks!




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which banned orger are you ?
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Reply #21 posted 08/05/05 5:13am

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XxAxX said:

gabeez said:

Face it, Joan is on to something here - just yesterday, the light barely turned green and the anxious driver behind slammed on her horn, funny enough. We pulled in to the same department store - as we waited for the elevator I said to her, too bad you don't have your horn in here. The lady responded, "wake up and smell the green light" HA! I was like, wow - did you just make that up? I can play tit for tat, but it was so uncalled for...and she was just going to do some shopping. I saw her awhile later on - no signs of being in a hurry..

Ayway can one of you "Brits" tell me what is a "wanker"? I here it in English films, but never know exactly what it means. Thanks!




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which banned orger are you ?


falloff
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Reply #22 posted 08/05/05 6:23am

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Gold319 said:

This shithole is the most soul-destroying place on Earth!!

Surely anywhere where you have no job, no life, no prospects, no future would be soul destroying. There are plenty of people who seek a new life in England and make a success of it through a mixture of hard work, determination, and perseverance, who find to to be a very uplifting place to live. Those who consider that they live in a "shithole" and can never see past their keyboards or the local Mcdonalds will always be down in the gutter looking up to the stars and cursing their "luck" in life, while other desire to do something about it other than moan the whole time.


The papers over the past 2 days have been loaded with reports on how low this country has got!!

And THAT ladies and gentlemen is proof enough!!! Im sold its official the UK IS A SHITHOLE - it must be if the papers say so!!! wink
Gold, I thought we had been through this lesson a million times already.... if you have an opinion - fine, but backing it up with "Because the papers said so" or "A man down the job center told my husband..." or "This old couple down at the local bar said .... " DOES NOT BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENTS!!!!

Stay behind after school and write out a thousand times
I MUST THINK BEFORE I POST - AND BACK UP MY ARGUMENTS IN AN INTELLIGENT MANNER


Now - go back and read Uncle Jon's posting from over the past few weeks - there is some important details in them that you dont seem to be absorbing, just keep reading - some of it might just rub off!!!
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