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Thread started 07/28/05 11:58am

2freaky4church
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PETA suck.

They put animal about human rights; sure, animals should be treated humanely, but animals are not people, they do not deserve special protection.

I wish these people cared more about human rights. You make the world a better place for humans, and the animal side will work itself out.

These people need priorities.

And, no, I will NOT stop eating meat. Sure, I know it is bad for me, but damn, does it taste goooood.

I will never feel guilty about eating meat. But, I do agree that humane slaughter is a good idea. Anybody with a heart would agree, but it doesn't mean that skippy should be President.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 07/28/05 12:21pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

They put animal about human rights; sure, animals should be treated humanely, but animals are not people, they do not deserve special protection.

I wish these people cared more about human rights. You make the world a better place for humans, and the animal side will work itself out.

These people need priorities.

And, no, I will NOT stop eating meat. Sure, I know it is bad for me, but damn, does it taste goooood.

I will never feel guilty about eating meat. But, I do agree that humane slaughter is a good idea. Anybody with a heart would agree, but it doesn't mean that skippy should be President.

actually, it is not bad for you, the human body evolved to eat meat and it prospers when given meat, but like everything else, moderation is the key. we are not herbivores,
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Reply #2 posted 07/28/05 12:27pm

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Organizations like PETA are a luxury of the wealthy. I guarantee you developing nations don't have high PETA membership. If you are watching your friends and family starve to death you aren't worried about how much room the one cow it town has in its pen.
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Reply #3 posted 07/28/05 12:39pm

Anxiety

i disagree with PETA but i also disagree with people justifying ignorance, laziness and a lack of compassion by calling it "anti-P.C.", as if eating a bag of pork rinds is raging against some kind of culturally-elitist machine.

if i resent PETA for anything, its for taking a polarizing stance that turns more casual folks away from the cause, instead of finding ways to appeal to folks like...well, like the folks posting on this thread so far. lol
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Reply #4 posted 07/28/05 2:25pm

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Very simple. We are omnivorous. No amount of bleeding heart crap will change that.
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Reply #5 posted 07/28/05 3:13pm

Grace

Uh, huhhuhhuh....uh, you said PETA....

Yeah, heh heh heh hehhheheeeheeh, you said suck PETA.....hehehhehehhheeh

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Reply #6 posted 07/28/05 3:20pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

They put animal about human rights; sure, animals should be treated humanely, but animals are not people, they do not deserve special protection.

I wish these people cared more about human rights. You make the world a better place for humans, and the animal side will work itself out.

These people need priorities.

And, no, I will NOT stop eating meat. Sure, I know it is bad for me, but damn, does it taste goooood.

I will never feel guilty about eating meat. But, I do agree that humane slaughter is a good idea. Anybody with a heart would agree, but it doesn't mean that skippy should be President.




On a more serious note, I understand your point, but also don't disregard animal rights activists' feelings. They are really nice people and their heart is in the right place. In fact, I am beginning to try soy taco meat and other substitutes. I do try to make an effort, but you are right 2freaky, some things taste so good that I can't imagine going without them.
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Reply #7 posted 07/28/05 3:20pm

Anxiety

SpookysAdvocate said:

Very simple. We are omnivorous. No amount of bleeding heart crap will change that.


we also have the ability to reason and create suitable alternatives that accommodate a far more compassionate and healthy lifestyle than that of our caveman ancestors. just sayin'. wink
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Reply #8 posted 07/28/05 3:27pm

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Anxiety said:

SpookysAdvocate said:

Very simple. We are omnivorous. No amount of bleeding heart crap will change that.


we also have the ability to reason and create suitable alternatives that accommodate a far more compassionate and healthy lifestyle than that of our caveman ancestors. just sayin'. wink


And we have used that ability to reason to farm meat, fruit, vegetables and grains rather than hunt and gather them to extinction and deplete or resources like our ancestors would have. In doing so we have given ourselves access to a broader food base than humans have ever had before, including meats, which our bodies require for proper nutrition.
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Reply #9 posted 07/28/05 3:33pm

Anxiety

SpookysAdvocate said:

Anxiety said:



we also have the ability to reason and create suitable alternatives that accommodate a far more compassionate and healthy lifestyle than that of our caveman ancestors. just sayin'. wink


And we have used that ability to reason to farm meat, fruit, vegetables and grains rather than hunt and gather them to extinction and deplete or resources like our ancestors would have. In doing so we have given ourselves access to a broader food base than humans have ever had before, including meats, which our bodies require for proper nutrition.


and we've also developed vegetable-based proteins that taste every bit as good as meat (despite the popular perceptions to the contrary), and which are also healthier and don't depend on the slaughter of animals in factory farm environments.

i'm just saying this is an option, and a lot of people have embraced it. i'm also not completely disagreeing with the title of this thread - if PETA were more deft at presenting alternatives in a way that was inclusive and "user-friendly", i honestly think more people would try a less meat-dependent diet. instead, they feel a need to use scold and shock tactics, which turns more people off to their cause than anything.
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Reply #10 posted 07/28/05 3:36pm

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Anxiety said:

SpookysAdvocate said:

Very simple. We are omnivorous. No amount of bleeding heart crap will change that.


we also have the ability to reason and create suitable alternatives that accommodate a far more compassionate and healthy lifestyle than that of our caveman ancestors. just sayin'. wink

that's assuming that a vegetarian lifestyle is more compassionate than a meat eating one. an assumption which can be argued either way. and you canc ross "healthy" right out. the health issues of modern man has nothing to do with the meat we eat, and everything to do with the crap (much of it plant based) that we do.
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Reply #11 posted 07/28/05 3:45pm

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byronic said:

Anxiety said:



we also have the ability to reason and create suitable alternatives that accommodate a far more compassionate and healthy lifestyle than that of our caveman ancestors. just sayin'. wink

that's assuming that a vegetarian lifestyle is more compassionate than a meat eating one. an assumption which can be argued either way. and you canc ross "healthy" right out. the health issues of modern man has nothing to do with the meat we eat, and everything to do with the crap (much of it plant based) that we do.


you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol
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Reply #12 posted 07/28/05 4:34pm

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Anxiety said:

byronic said:


that's assuming that a vegetarian lifestyle is more compassionate than a meat eating one. an assumption which can be argued either way. and you canc ross "healthy" right out. the health issues of modern man has nothing to do with the meat we eat, and everything to do with the crap (much of it plant based) that we do.


you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol

do you know how difficult it is to contract mad cow disease? i could eat meat off a cow infected with it, and be just fine, mad cow is only found in certain tissues and if you stay clear of those tissues you have little chance of getting infected. don't believe the hype.
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Reply #13 posted 07/28/05 4:56pm

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what's all this doggin' on PETA?

so they haven't done everything perfectly,
they've got a difficult and for the most part thankless mission in wanting animals to be treated better..
thumbs up! on that if U ask me.

"The greatness of a people can be measured by how well it treats its animals"
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Reply #14 posted 07/28/05 5:36pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

what's all this doggin' on PETA?

so they haven't done everything perfectly,
they've got a difficult and for the most part thankless mission in wanting animals to be treated better..
thumbs up! on that if U ask me.

"The greatness of a people can be measured by how well it treats its animals"
--Mahatma Gandhi


i believe 100% in their mission - it's their presentation and methods that i think have become increasingly counter-productive.

i've turned more people on to vegetarian foods by taking them to the vegan diner in my neighborhood than i have from showing grisly pictures of veal farms.

people want to do things that are kind and good. people also don't like to make special efforts to do things that take them away from their routine. give them a positive reinforcement - show them that veggie/vegan food is not only "something different" but something GOOD - and you get the ball rolling.

that's been my experience over the past 18 years, anyway.
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Reply #15 posted 07/28/05 9:33pm

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Anxiety said:

byronic said:


that's assuming that a vegetarian lifestyle is more compassionate than a meat eating one. an assumption which can be argued either way. and you canc ross "healthy" right out. the health issues of modern man has nothing to do with the meat we eat, and everything to do with the crap (much of it plant based) that we do.


you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol



Yeah and your more likely to get hit in the eye with the jizz from horny space monkey than ever even know anyone who gets ill from mad cow disease.
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Reply #16 posted 07/28/05 9:36pm

Anxiety

SpookysAdvocate said:

Anxiety said:



you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol



Yeah and your more likely to get hit in the eye with the jizz from horny space monkey than ever even know anyone who gets ill from mad cow disease.


hopefully!
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Reply #17 posted 07/28/05 9:39pm

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Anxiety said:

SpookysAdvocate said:



And we have used that ability to reason to farm meat, fruit, vegetables and grains rather than hunt and gather them to extinction and deplete or resources like our ancestors would have. In doing so we have given ourselves access to a broader food base than humans have ever had before, including meats, which our bodies require for proper nutrition.


and we've also developed vegetable-based proteins that taste every bit as good as meat (despite the popular perceptions to the contrary), and which are also healthier and don't depend on the slaughter of animals in factory farm environments.

i'm just saying this is an option, and a lot of people have embraced it. i'm also not completely disagreeing with the title of this thread - if PETA were more deft at presenting alternatives in a way that was inclusive and "user-friendly", i honestly think more people would try a less meat-dependent diet. instead, they feel a need to use scold and shock tactics, which turns more people off to their cause than anything.


No amount of fancy PR will ever change the fact that we are omnivorous animals. Left to nature vegetarians will evolve out of the loop. You can't change millions of years of evolution by force of will.

See how long you can keep a crocodile alive on grass.
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Reply #18 posted 07/29/05 2:58am

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byronic said:

Anxiety said:



you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol

do you know how difficult it is to contract mad cow disease? i could eat meat off a cow infected with it, and be just fine, mad cow is only found in certain tissues and if you stay clear of those tissues you have little chance of getting infected. don't believe the hype.

no no no! Didn't yu read through the veggie brochure? Any meat in your diet automatically means you'll gain 200 lbs. and die of heart disease.


PETA said so. nod
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Reply #19 posted 07/29/05 5:43am

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falloff i never thought i'd see the day when i agree with Hiin and disagree with Freakay - all in one thread!

peace

y'all know my stance on this, no need to re-hash. i'll be posting a picture of my PETA tattoo later! mr.green
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Reply #20 posted 07/29/05 8:46am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

falloff i never thought i'd see the day when i agree with Hiin and disagree with Freakay - all in one thread!

peace

y'all know my stance on this, no need to re-hash. i'll be posting a picture of my PETA tattoo later! mr.green


thumbs up! biggrin
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Reply #21 posted 07/29/05 8:55am

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SpookysAdvocate said:

No amount of fancy PR will ever change the fact that we are omnivorous animals. Left to nature vegetarians will evolve out of the loop. You can't change millions of years of evolution by force of will.

See how long you can keep a crocodile alive on grass.
burger burger



lay yourself down as a bridge helping to bring about the vegetarian overman wink
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Reply #22 posted 07/29/05 9:31am

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SpookysAdvocate said:



No amount of fancy PR will ever change the fact that we are omnivorous animals. Left to nature vegetarians will evolve out of the loop. You can't change millions of years of evolution by force of will.

See how long you can keep a crocodile alive on grass.
burger burger


are you part crocodile? got pics? orgnote me.
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Reply #23 posted 07/29/05 7:55pm

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Anxiety said:

byronic said:


that's assuming that a vegetarian lifestyle is more compassionate than a meat eating one. an assumption which can be argued either way. and you canc ross "healthy" right out. the health issues of modern man has nothing to do with the meat we eat, and everything to do with the crap (much of it plant based) that we do.


you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol


Don't forget about the pesticides and fertilizers that are applied to and/or injected into our veggies...
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Reply #24 posted 07/29/05 8:13pm

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shanti0608 said:

Anxiety said:



you're right. mad cow disease has been so much more of a boon to our health than, say, salad. lol


Don't forget about the pesticides and fertilizers that are applied to and/or injected into our veggies...


which makes me all the happier that my local trader joes sells organic veggies for cheap! woot!
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Reply #25 posted 07/29/05 11:14pm

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Anxiety said:

and we've also developed vegetable-based proteins that taste every bit as good as meat (despite the popular perceptions to the contrary), and which are also healthier and don't depend on the slaughter of animals in factory farm environments.


I'm not yet willing to accept the idea that a plant-based diet is healthier for everyone. Some folks seem to do well on it. Other people find it doesn't work for them. I've posted my story before about how it made me feel unwell and caused my weight to drop dangerously low. But now I've got some additional numbers:

Nov/5/2003, after eating no meat for three months and working toward a vegan diet:

Total cholesterol: 162
HDL (good) cholesterol: 43

Jul/14/2005, after a year of quitting the vegetarian/vegan thing entirely:

Total cholesterol: 145
HDL (good) cholesterol: 47

A scientific experiment? Hardly. Interesting? You bet.

Anyway, I'm a J.D., not an M.D., but I believe that a healthy diet can include just about any food in moderation. As for the ethical issue of the use and treatment of animals for food, I agree that it deserves more attention. In fact, I don't have a pet because, among other reasons, I think it would be unethical for me to force an animal to submit to my control for no purpose other than my personal enjoyment.
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Reply #26 posted 07/30/05 2:46pm

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Anxiety said:

shanti0608 said:



Don't forget about the pesticides and fertilizers that are applied to and/or injected into our veggies...


which makes me all the happier that my local trader joes sells organic veggies for cheap! woot!


Would U quit rubbing it in, I live in Florida- We have NO Trader Joes!!!

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Reply #27 posted 07/30/05 4:37pm

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byronic said:

2freaky4church1 said:

They put animal about human rights; sure, animals should be treated humanely, but animals are not people, they do not deserve special protection.

I wish these people cared more about human rights. You make the world a better place for humans, and the animal side will work itself out.

These people need priorities.

And, no, I will NOT stop eating meat. Sure, I know it is bad for me, but damn, does it taste goooood.

I will never feel guilty about eating meat. But, I do agree that humane slaughter is a good idea. Anybody with a heart would agree, but it doesn't mean that skippy should be President.

actually, it is not bad for you, the human body evolved to eat meat and it prospers when given meat, but like everything else, moderation is the key. we are not herbivores,


Ability to eat meat or vegetation or both isn't evolution. Animals, humans and other creatures can do it easily within a few weeks. Switching back and forth as they wish.

It is an adaption ability already built in or else it would take a human person who wanted to change to a vegetarian, millions of years to do so.

Vegetables do not grow nor yield the same nutrients as before sin entered and cursed the world so God set things up in order for creatures to already have the abilities to very quickly adapt to that environment. Or any changing environment for that matter. He created all possible info into the first kinds for later adaptation to changing environments.

Evolution = millions of years slow adaptation with no existing new information = impossible to spawn new info. Not at all in line with any scientific laws.

Creation = thousands of years of quick adaptation with ALREADY existing info = very possible. Also in line with all scientific laws.
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Reply #28 posted 07/30/05 7:58pm

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Eternaldragon said:

byronic said:


actually, it is not bad for you, the human body evolved to eat meat and it prospers when given meat, but like everything else, moderation is the key. we are not herbivores,


Ability to eat meat or vegetation or both isn't evolution. Animals, humans and other creatures can do it easily within a few weeks. Switching back and forth as they wish.

It is an adaption ability already built in or else it would take a human person who wanted to change to a vegetarian, millions of years to do so.

Vegetables do not grow nor yield the same nutrients as before sin entered and cursed the world so God set things up in order for creatures to already have the abilities to very quickly adapt to that environment. Or any changing environment for that matter. He created all possible info into the first kinds for later adaptation to changing environments.

Evolution = millions of years slow adaptation with no existing new information = impossible to spawn new info. Not at all in line with any scientific laws.

Creation = thousands of years of quick adaptation with ALREADY existing info = very possible. Also in line with all scientific laws.
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where do you get this stuff? i'd love to see you raise a cow on an all meat diet, they simply aren't designed to eat it, and would die if fed that way, animals evolve to eat a certain food, omniverous animals can switch back and forth, (as humans are) but carnivorus, or vegetarian animals can not. lets see how well a lion digests grass.
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Reply #29 posted 07/30/05 11:20pm

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I'm such a target for a PETA dousing. Of course I'd kick their fuckin' asses if they tried!
Socks still got butt like a leather seat...
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