What u don't know will hurt u. I had a granmother who died of cancer about a month ago. So every since then I've been dong research on the whole cancer subject. The thing about cancer is there is no cure. The reason why there is no cure cuz the docotors get paid billions of dollars 4 research. What I found a bout chemo therapy is, it's even more shocking ! chemo therapy doesn't help heal the process 4 the simple reason it breaks down ur immune system. It might go away in the beginning but it'll come back and because of the radition it could spread to other prts of ur body. Before my grandmother died the cancer spreaded all the way 2 her brain. I think when the cancer first started it was only a mile case, but because of chemo Therapy, it gotten worst. The doctors don't tell, cuz if u die u while under their care, guess what people, they get paid. Same things goes 4 a lot of these diaseses that don't seem to have a cure. Truth is the medical industry is not trying to take care of us, it's all about the mula. What do u guys think about this ?

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I'm sorry for your loss, newpowerbaby. I truly am.

but i think you're very wrong about the medical industry. Give these guys a break. They are working their hardest to do everything they can to help the sick.

I tend to believe that it is the Chemo that kills.

Did you know that cancer loves sugar?

I am sorry to hear about your Grandmother...

TheFrog said:

the thing is i got all of this information from a lady who was a practicing doctor herself, she gotten cancer, but when she decided to tell the truth about the cancer soceity, she got her license tooken away, now she can't practice anywhere in the united states 4 telling the truth.

NEWPOWERBABY said:

I don't dispute what you've heard npb. I just have a very different experience of it.

Some members of my family have undergone chemotherapy and drug treatment and have, thank the Lord, come out of it the other side. One member of my family is undergoing chemotherapy now. And it's given her life again. Unlike the others who had the treatment, she cannot be cured, but before the chemo she could not walk, could barely eat, was struggling to breathe, and had to go through painful stomach-draining frequently. Though chemotherapy is not pleasant, it's the most joyous thing in the world for me to see her walking around again and smiling, even if i know it's only prolonging her life, not saving her.

On the doctor subject, i'm utterly in awe of doctors. My closest friends are doctors and the work they do, often thanklessly (and sometimes on the end of abuse) is totally admirable. I'm stunned by their commitment and proud of them. Now drug companies are obviously motivated to a large extent by profit. But doctors are genuinely there to help (save for the freaks you get everywhere). They don't want you to die so they can get a quick $40 for signing a cremation form. That's just not true.

Isnt it when you are on chemo-therapy the red blood cells are broken down, or is it white? and you are much more prone to more illnesses? Something like that, I have heard, last week my Auntie was diagnosed with having cancer, it is going to be a struggle and very painful both for her and the family and I really pray that she can battle this..

I am sorry to hear about you Grandmother
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REDFEATHERS said:

yes. it targets your own (both red and white) blood cells and you have to try and avoid infections when undergoing chemotherapy. But the treatment can be a saving grace. I truly hope all goes well for your auntie redfeathers.

REDFEATHERS said:

it's the white blood cells more likely. The white blood cells has more to do with ur immune system, if ur immune system is weak, it takes longer to heal, i know cuz when I got sick I had very little white blood cells, they didn't want to let me out of the hospital.

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TheFrog said:

Thank you for that.. she is going into hospital on Thursday, its so sad, cos this was soo unexpected and she was already on the waiting list to go into hospital to get a kidney stone removed, now this! Life works in some funny ways...

TheFrog said:

i guess it depends on sever ur case is, the ex-doctor told me, that if u can prevent don't get it, it's only a temporary cure it's not a cure. also with chemotherapy it causes other problems inside of ur body, i've already mentioni it breaks down ur immune system, it bothers ur eye sight, this one lady said she had to get her blatter removed, because of the chemo. I mean it might help a little, but it really does more damage then good in the long run.

NEWPOWERBABY said:

hmm, thanks for that, I know I got it mixed up, but tried to cover my ass, cos I dont know the full facts yet, but I am learning something new everyday about my Aunties cancer..

REDFEATHERS said:

cool

TheFrog said:

Sorry Froggie, I missed your post when I posted my bit. sorry to hear your family have gone through it, but isnt it great that they have beaten it?

My Dad got cancer when he was 36, and at the time he had a 5% chance of survival after the operation. I didnt know this until much later, I was only young and my Mum wanted to protect me, but me, my sister and brothers now undergo regular screening checks, just in case. I am lucky to have that, so if I am in danger of any cancerous cells they can be detected at an early stage and dealt with. I too, agree, the hospitals can do a great deal these days, I support The Cancer Research Charity often, as anything new they discover is one step closer to beating this horrible disease.

i'm sorry about your loss and it's understandable that you doubt the methods they used to help you grandma, but until we find a cure chemo and radiation are the only ways we have to treat cancer. and yes, cure sometimes. for every person that isn't helped by it, there are many more that are saved. sorry again about your loss.

My mother had breast cancer over 10 years ago and underwent a mastectomy.
In the procedure, doctors also removed surrounding tissue to determine the
possibility of the cancer spreading further. Based on the samples they pulled,
doctors deemed a 90% chance that the cancer would return, and probably as
bone cancer.

She underwent intensive chemotherapy and 8 weeks of radiation. She
has now been cancer free for nearly 14 years.

Sorry to hear about your loss , take care You are in my

NEWPOWERBABY said:

You might wanna be more specific in this part. Thera are types of cancers which can be cured



A couple of things here. NO cancer-therapy is aimed at 'healing the process' . The cancer-process is not a process gone awry, it is a process in overdrive i.e. cells keep dividing. So therapies are directing at killing dividing cells. The blood system is particularly vulnerable because of the billions of blood cells which are produced each day, these unfortunately include white blood cells (immune cells). Radiation is NOT chemotherapy, but sometimes both are given together. It is also very unlikely that the radiation is the cause of cancer spreading to other parts of your body. People are irradiated very locally, not a complete body. Usually just a few cancer-cells escape the first tumour, travel through the blood stream to wherever they can start growing again.



How would you know ?



Doctors also get paid if the patient lives, so..

For the money thing: As you may have guessed, i work in the cancer-research at an Academic hospital, i'm not a doctor though. Our research is not funded by pharmaceutical industry (and a lot of cancer research is not funded this way)
My take on this is two-way: For one, there is SO much money in this industry, i'm very suspicious myself. I know of organizations in the Netherlands (where i live) who are scrutinizing and sometimes defusing medical claims made by researchers funded by pharmaceuticals. Try and find like organizations where you live, it can really be a eye-opener.
On the other hand, think of the tremendous amount of money which can be earned when a cancer drug DOES work fully for everyone. So i think doctors and pharma-co are really trying hard, wether it is out of $$ or humanitary reasons. And i think a cancer patient doesn't care how much the doctor or the pharma-co will profit, as long as the therapy works.

Take care

I've had 4 people of family/close friend relations go through chemo and came back with no recurring illnesses.

I am very thankful for chemo. I'm very sorry for your grandmother. I do agree, however, that your claims have some value. Any business with that much money in it has to have some corruption in it. But that might be the pessimist in me talking...

AlfofMelmak said:

my point is the reason why there is no cure is to keep the medical industry alive with all the research they're doing. It's not just with cancer, the same can be said about the aids/hiv virus or even something simple like a the cold virus. The Medical industry makes a billion dollars a year just trying to find a cure, which in actuality is thier really not trying to find one. with all the techonology we have now, it should've been a cure. so really there's no excuse, With all the money HIV has raised, it should've been a cure by now

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NEWPOWERBABY said:

But newpowerbaby. Can you imagine how much money you could make, and how renowned you would become if you discovered a cure for every type of cancer and/or HIV ? There are so many people working on those very things right now as I write. It is true that drug companies make money out of treatments, but they are not the only people working in this field. As soon as there is a cure for HIV, i'm sure you'll hear about it. We all will. It will be one of the greatest advances in medicine in decades.
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TheFrog said:

well i make myself as a example. I always sick as a child, meaning I was always in the hospital. My mom did everything the doctor told her to do, but when I started to get a little older, doing things more on my own, I stop going to the doctor as much, U wanna know what I've noticed ? I haven't been as nearly sick as I was when I was a child. I stop taking the doctors advice and star taking care myself.

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NEWPOWERBABY said:

don't mistaken me i still get sick, not as a nearly as much.

NEWPOWERBABY said:

That's the way an immune system works. In a general sense, everybody is more sick as a child then as an adult. Your immune system learns from every infection you get. the cells remember how to recognise the bacteria or virus that got into you as a child.

Oh and about the medical industry, also keep in mind that it'll take on average about 7 years and 5 billion dollars to get a new drug approved. Pharma-co is paying that...

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I have worked directly with and among various cancer patients for nearly four years now. I am really tired right now... partly due to my day at work and many other factors. My job can be extremely emotionally draining (although so fulfilling at the same time)... today was one of those days.

Chemo... I have seen (good and bad)... I believe every situation is entirely unique in how chemotherapy affects one person to the next. Many factors play significant roles to whether it proves beneficial or not. Time, stage, strength in immunity, type of cancer, location... it's all so specific it seems and all so unpredictable I have seen as well.

There is no denying that any type of disease or chemical that enters our body is far from natural... I often ask myself, what is natural anymore... does it exist, did it ever exist... will it ever exist... I find myself believing no...

All I can say... is be highly selective and cautious to all medical advice, follow-up with second/third opinions (or more if needed). Time is everything when it comes to our health... I strongly believe in yearly physicals (medical examinations), a simple yet complete check-up (blood drawn included). All I see and hear time and time again... is... if it were caught a bit earlier (early stage)... preventative actions could of been the very key factor to immediate/higher success in destroying cancer cells before they spread uncontrollably.

Like with all else in our lives... there are consequences for everything, making wise and cautious choices toward our well-being should always be in motion... no matter the situation.