this is why we are on a race to mars

and the pyrimyds of cydonia region on mars

someone did the math


this is the real deal


dont you wonder why those nasa guys are so giddy

shausler said:

U and who else?

china

I wanna know what happened to the water if there was water.

shausler said:

The face has been debunked fairly recently. A newer, high resolution picture of that area was taken, and the whole "face" was just the trick of the shadows.

The pyramids, on the other hand...

conch5184 said:

It froze.

there are polar caps

that ice has to be water

he says in his highly scientific voice

whatever the case may be ,


i believe that i picked the right planet to live on

shausler said:

Is that the only angle we have a picture of those from? I can see that as simple mounds of substance that have been worn down naturally by wind.

i personally believe that it was once long ago a planet more temperate like ours but that it dryed out and got hotter or something


like earth might one day in the future

Well, it most likely is water. It could be made up of something else, but the most likely possibility is that its water.

The presence of water doesn't automatically mean that there once was life on Mars, but without it it's highly unlikely.

conch5184 said:

the only ones that they will . . . .


show us


:WINK:

shausler said:

Actually, it probably got COLDER, as it got farther away from the sun.

ANOTHER SHOT OF THE CAP



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Maybe I'm being too simplistic, I don't know that much about science, but I can imagine the same thing. I think that nature is nature the same way throughout the solar sytem, not just on Earth as we know it. So if the same conditions that formed life on Earth (which really are not that difficult to create in terms of a meteor hitting a planet and the repurcussions) were on another planet at another time, they would probably evolve and adapt the same way, and there would be complex human beings like us. They would probably evolve in a similar way to how we have and have technology and pollute the planet, and so on... I just wonder how distance from the sun would be a factor.

Or that could be completely stupid

conch5184 said:

Distance from the sun is actually quite critical. Too far, and conditions are too cold for most life to evolve. Too close and conditions are too hot.

but if the sun were hotter or colder

this would alter the distance


no?

Earth is heading that way.Hopefully i'll be long gone when earth goes tits-up!

You know those pictures they recently got from the probe thing that landed on mars? Does anyone else find them pretty boring?

There is just flat red desert with rocks on it.

JediMaster said:

we have some life forms on earth that indicate that life can flourish under some weird conditions, i wonder if maybe conditions on mars are okay for a life form that varies in composition from most life on earth, such as these:

from: http://www.amnh.org/natio...forms.html

Deep below the surface of the oceans, beyond the levels reached by sunlight, live abundant and diverse communities of animals. Tiny microbes or bacteria called Archaea, fantastic red-tipped, white tube worms, gigantic clams, mussels, crabs, shrimp, starfish and deep-water skates all live at deep sea hydrothermal vents. All of these animals depend on a food chain that does not rely directly on the sun or onphotosynthesis (the production of food by plants using sunlight), as most other life on the planet does.

Instead, the tiny Archaea which form the basis for this unique food chain, derive energy and nutrition from the hot, mineral-rich waters venting from the sulfide structures. The Archaea use sulfide instead of sunlight to create food, a process analogous to photosynthesis called chemosynthesis.

Autotrophs are organisms that get energy directly from sunlight. These include green plants. Archaea, in contrast, are chemoautotrophs. They get their energy by oxidizing the minerals in the black smoke. Most animals on Earth are heterotrophs, which means that they get their energy by eating autotrophs, chemoautotrophs, or other heterotrophs. Humans, cats, dogs, tube worms, and clams are all heterotrophs.

In 1977 scientists were totally surprised to discover dense communities of animals living at deep-sea hydrothermal vents. In fact, the very idea of communities of large animals based on the process of chemosynthesis rather than photosynthesis was beyond the imagination of most people. Since their discovery, biological research has resulted in a good basic understanding of the physiology and ecology of these hydrothermal life forms. More than three hundred species of vent animals have been identified, and the list grows with the discovery of every new vent. There is still a great deal to learn, and this expedition, which combines the expertise of biologists and geologists, will provide key observations that will advance our understanding of these animals and ecosystems.

A key characteristic of the bacteria that support the food chain at deep sea hydrothermal vent communities is a tolerance for temperatures that is much greater than ours. Some species of vent bacteria can exist at temperatures as high as 110°C! This is why these bacteria are called thermophyllic or heat loving. Some of the larger animals also are observed to live at warm temperatures. For example, the temperatures inside some tube worms, built directly on vent chimneys, have been measured at 40°C, and another kind of worm, the Pompeii worm, has been photographed leaving its tube and swimming near a temperature probe that recorded 110°C. These temperatures are wildly extreme by any standard for marine life. We don't know how the Pompeii worm can withstand such high heat. Other vent animals live on chimney walls but not at the hottest spots. Instead they are bathed in warm water that is the product of mixing between the hot waters from the chimneys and the cold ocean bottom water.

Do these animals really exist totally independent of the sun? Not really. Although these vent communities don't depend directly on sunlight for their energy and nutrition - the sun does play a critical role. The bacteria require oxygen to synthesize organic matter from the inorganic compounds present in the vent fluids. This oxygen, which is present in abundance throughout the ocean, is a waste product of photosynthesis, which uses the sun's energy.

when did we discover those amazing heat vent worms?


70s i think no?

yeah. back then. do you suppose life forms on mars could be so different from ours here on earth that we might not even recognize them as life forms?

and what if they possess rudimentary intelligence? or some quality we highly desire like if you squish them they make a youth serum for humans? are we allowed to exploit them?

XxAxX said:

i think that we are the primatives

and the possibilites are endless


that moon of jupitor

io i think

with the cracked ocean ice

thats got my attention as well

me too. i wish dubya would give up his war on 'the axis of evil' and really turn his attention to the space project so we could fund it without bankrupting deserving social programs.

and they say that we have only discovered 1 tenth of OUR plant and insect life


the mind boggles