Therapy said:

people have been using deodorant with aluminum for years and nobody has died from a deodorant overdose. people need to chill with that back to nature ish.

jessyMD32781 said:

hmm.....

jessyMD32781 said:

That ingredient has been linked to alzheimer's

Yes i'm a woman...

And i shave my armpit hairs...heck i've thought about waxing them since i do my legs and stuff. It feels neat and clean, and it looks neat and clean, and i've been dat way ever since i was growin hairs!!!

male, female, it doesn't matter... when it's summertime and i see a sweaty ass muthafucka in a tank top with nasty ass sweaty stanking underarm hair, that shit is gross... i don't care what sex you are, that is some rank ass shit... ...

lilmissmissy said:

The thought of waxing my pits scares me. I shave mine. I sugar my legs with Nads.

luv4u said:

you sugar your legs with nads... ... sounds kinky...

EllisDee said:

You should try it. Just put on this strip of cloth and RIP! right at the roots. Smooth for days, better than shaving....

luv4u said:

that's ok... i'll use my nads for other things... ...

sinisterpentatonic said:

so has smoking, a high cholestoral diet,a low level of education, and a family history of the disease.

As I said, people need to get over that back to nature ish. There are more people who use deodorant with aluminum in it who don't get Alzheimer's than those who do.

Thank you, Therapy ...Respect to you and all, and this thread is...

...To good health!

ThreadBare said:

You know, I've never seen a hairy woman in France.

Now Germany, well that's another story..... (maybe you should go there)

minneapolisgenius said:

I'm doing fairly well in America, MG. So, trans-Atlantic travel won't be necessary just yet.

Who knows? Maybe the women on the ORg will start a trend!

ThreadBare said:

Well that's good to hear.

But uh, I don't think I'll be part of that trend just yet.

jessyMD32781 said:

By your response, I'd say that this just isn't your bag.

But I'm angry, that you think people like me, need to get over that back to nature thing. Getting back to nature, for my own life, is a positive move. And on a much larger scale for humanity, is a positive good step; there's a sliding scale of doing right by nature I believe, with varying importance levels... addressing global warming and using recycled toilet paper all help the overall cause. And with all of this, for me, comes considering my actions, such as why I shave my hairs, along with lots of other not-thought-about-rituals done everyday, which I consider to be binding.

I think it's a pity that you tossed the idea aside so quickly

Therapy said:

First of all, I think that there is a big difference between recycling and addressing the many environmental issues that are facing our world and being hairy and stanky. Global warming needs to be addressed, reducing our waste needs to be addressed, eating habits need to be addressed. those issues are important to me and I do my part when it comes to that. Shaving is another thing all together.

Women not shaving is an issue that i have been confronted with many, many, many times in my life. I have not just "thrown it aside" as you suggest. You really shouldn't make such assumptions about people you don't know. I;ve heard the arguments about alzheimers and breast cancer and you know what? the data is inconclusive and oftentimes contradicts itself. Just because one thing is linked to another doesn't mean that that one thing caused the other to happen. There's a link between ice cream consumption and murder but that doesn't mean that eating ice cream causes murder. Come on now...

I think it's silly to say that you're not shaving so you don't get alzheimers. if you're not shaving because you don't believe in it then fine, i think that's respectable. Many people who I am close to feel the same way and I support them in that. But to say that you're not shaving because you sister's, cousin's, best friend's hairdresser heard in the news that deodorant causes alzheimers is a waste of time and doesn't help any cause.

There are many other factors that contribute to such diseases and in a much larger way and it makes me angry when people ignore these factors and focus on silly little things that have not even been proven to cause anything. Social isolation is a big problem in our society and also contributes to Alzheimers way more than any deordorant. Having a good social network helps to combat Alzheimers as does keeping a journal, exercising, and taking up new hobbies. I wish people would look at that data instead of the sensationalized stuff that is designed to scare everybody.


Did you also know that the ancient Egyptians (both the men and the women) shaved their armpits and used deordorant? I think that's kinda cool.

Why is it assumed that if women grow underarm hair it'll be "stinky", yet for men it's just "natural"?

Major double-standards.

I know/believe this double-standard is not cool, yet I still shave when I know my skin will be exposed because I don't want to be pointed at or made fun of.

AnotherLoverToo said:

i don't understand that either. i think everyone should shave their pits but every guy i ask gets all freaked out and homophobic about it.

jessyMD32781 said:

What I said was about a scale of things that go towards addressing environmental issues. AND THEN I said that, FOR ME, part of this whole addressing enviromental issues and, as I see it, re-aligning with nature (which, for me, happens to be looking at how I've allowed society to condition me how to act) is about considering my rituals which I consider to be binding. There are many differences, and I can see why you think that, but for me, all these things are about relieving my conscience and feeling more free. And that means for me, taking time to make changes about my interactions with the environment and challenging what I consider to be conditioned belief systems. And that means, challenging beliefs like you have shared, that being hairy=stanky (do you mean skanky?).



OK, like I in my first response, sounds like having hair is just not your bag. Sounds like you are doing a lot yourself towards environmental needs.



You're right, I didn't know that about you and I did make a hasty assumption about you - sorry about that. I did so because this statement really pissed me off... 'As I said, people need to get over that back to nature ish.' Just because you have considered it and found it not right for you though, not every one feels the same as where you have stopped with all of this.



If there is not only scare stories, but other reasons pointing towards changing something about myself that has been an issue for me for years, I will consider changing myself. I agree with you, there are a lot of scare stories. I guess this is up to individuals, eh? I won't just look at the link and react out of that, ok?



I never said this. I said that I am not shaving because of two reasons, actually, I never even mentioned alzheimers at all! Some one else did!



I understand what you mean, but I never said that, I think I've explained that it takes more than that for me to change something like this, and I think it's funny that I was accused earlier of making accusations, when, yes I did, but you've just done your third!!



I actually believe that what causes most diseases is something that goes on in the inner world of a person. I don't think that anything ought to be left out, you said about feeling angry when people ignore other factors than scientific - I agree, my parents drive me bananas with their hypocondria (sp?). And I also agree about social isolation, my grandmother is a prime example. I think it is dangerous not to include scientific study also.




No!

AnotherLoverToo said:

I haven't crossed that bridge yet. I'm taking it one step at a time. At the moment, I am in growing it stage.

Therapy said:

Wise idea, to just take it a step at a time.

When I attended a "hippy" college, I allowed my body hair to grow and I didn't think much of it, even in public. Quite a few other women did it, and the men seemed to think it wasn't a big deal, so....I think environment is a key element.

The fact that you're just going for armpits, not necessarily legs and "bush", lol, is probably gonna make it easier, too, as far as not being too conspicuous.

Therapy said:

i applaud any woman who is trying to break free of the double-standards that we all, as women, have experienced at some point or another in our lives. it is a challenge...

i often don't feel like shaving...we all don't at some point, i believe. i always end up doing it though ALT is right...environment is key

AnotherLoverToo said:

Think you make a really good point there, environment and acceptance at going against the majority will probably be helpful, I do think that I'll need to explore more of my deep rooted beliefs so as to feel comfortable with it more.

Actually, in the summer, I only expose a little bit of leg in 3/4 length linen trousers, so I won't have my leg hair showing!! And my bush will just stay in my thongs I only shave my legs and bush if I'm in a relationship anyway, or if it's summer then the bush gets down to a small landing pad, lol, but again, WHY??!!?!! I may just trim my bush with scissors.

summerdawn said:

Therapy said:

i never made any assumptions, i was mostly speaking in generalities. I was also expressing my opinion. I happen to think it's a good idea for everyone to shave their pits. I understand that not everyone is going to do so and that's fine. People are going to do what people are going to do and i don't really care that much. stop portraying me as the armpit shaving Nazi just because i don't agree with you.

In my first paragraph I meant stanky. when something is beyond stinky it becomes stanky.

Also, I was objecting to your statement about aluminum causing deadly diseases and, as sinisterpentatonic pointed out, alzhiemers is one of those diseases. Perhaps I should have said diseases in general but whatever, the message is still the same. I object to that kind of hysterical reasoning that is not based on hard core proof. I respect the rebellious aspect of your decision as I stated a few times before but the whole health aspect is shaking at best. damn, how many times do i have to say it. I RESPECT YOUR DECISION NOT TO SHAVE YOUR PITS AS A WAY TO CHALLENGE SOCIETY'S FEMININE IDEAL!!!!! HEAR THAT, RESPECT!!!!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T! SING IT WITH ME NOW!!!!!

I like it when people take it upon themselves to challenge themselves and other people. personally I have decided to stop relaxing my hair after 12 years of doing so and letting be natural. I know that people are going to think that i lost my natural mind but it's something i need to do. so i do respect actions that make people go, "what the hell is wrong with her?" while allowing for personal growth at the same time.
i just don't like stanky, hairy pits. and yes I know that not all hairy pits are stanky but it's an association that i will never be able to get out of my mind. and i have a right to that.
[This message was edited Sat Feb 28 15:36:15 2004 by jessyMD32781]

Therapy said:

No![/quote]
i was just pointing out that shaving is a pretty old practice and it wasn't always just women who did it. i just think that's cool. just because they did it doesn't mean i think you should do it. it's not that deep. really.
[This message was edited Sat Feb 28 15:44:35 2004 by jessyMD32781]

2the9s said:

Can I have some?

jessyMD32781 said:

What's with all this getting back to nature ish?



Just kiddin. Shave, relax your hair or don't. Whatevs.

Diva said:

No.