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JDINTERACTIVE

Beauty

Most of us would claim and commonly agree upon what is a beautiful person or object when we see it. Yet we are often unable to explain why we find the object we see before us so appealing. Has anyone any thoughts or analysis on this?What makes for example a beautiful piece of music, architecture, painting-tone? shape? textures?
What does it feel like to find something beautiful? Perhaps the power of beauty lies in the two. We experience it when spiritual value and outward appearance seem somewhat inseperable, capturing a sense of what it means to be human in those moments of deepest satisfaction.
An appreciation of beauty deepens our enjoyment of life. Look around you. Would you consider any of your furniture beautiful or the view from outside, or the heart of your recent Valentine?
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Reply #1 posted 02/17/04 12:35pm

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I find this thread very beautiful...
and beautifully written ...
and the author of this thread...
he's beautiful too.


hug


I'm feeling very beautiful... grouphug
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Reply #2 posted 02/17/04 1:14pm

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[b] biggrin biggrin TO ME ANYTHING CAN HAVE BEAUTY NOT JUST AN INDIVIUAL. THEY WAY A SONG IS WRITTEN OR THE WAY A SONG IS SANG CAN BE A THING OF BEAUTY. SOMETIMES JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY THE WAVES OF THE OCEAN OR LAKE IS BEAUTY. THE WAY A MOTHER CARE FOR HER CHILD IS BEAUTY. THE WAY A BUILDING IS SHAPED OR FORMED IS BEAUTY. OF JUST LISTENING TO THE RAIN OR WATCHING THE WAY SNOWFLAKES FALL IS A THING OF BEAUTY TOO. BEAUTY IS ALL AROUND US WE JUST NEED TO JUST STOP AND TAKE A LOOK. smile
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Reply #3 posted 02/17/04 1:36pm

Byron

Beauty lies within the connection you experience while interacting with a person or event or thing...it's the positive and the peaceful and the appreciative that exists during that interaction. The more we're consciously connected to life, the more we interact with all aspects of it in positive and appreciative ways...and the more we do that, the easier it becomes to see beauty in everything. rose
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Reply #4 posted 02/17/04 1:54pm

UptownDeb

I remember watching this documentary about beauty years ago. It suggested that phyiscal beauty has to do with facial harmony and how individual features appear on the face. For instance I distinctly remember hearing that in facial harmony a nose should take up 7% of the face. And I remember that there were some ideal dimensions--like how for example 36-24-36 is the ideal female figure--but, I don't remember what these dimensions were. Apparently supermodel Amber Valetta (sp) had them. I also recalled that people are more attracted to babyish features like button noses, round cheeks, wide eyes.
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Reply #5 posted 02/17/04 2:06pm

Therapy

Byron said:

Beauty lies within the connection you experience while interacting with a person or event or thing...it's the positive and the peaceful and the appreciative that exists during that interaction. The more we're consciously connected to life, the more we interact with all aspects of it in positive and appreciative ways...and the more we do that, the easier it becomes to see beauty in everything. rose



I sooo agree with you. Beauty is a connection, an action.
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Reply #6 posted 02/17/04 2:11pm

Byron

Therapy said:

Byron said:

Beauty lies within the connection you experience while interacting with a person or event or thing...it's the positive and the peaceful and the appreciative that exists during that interaction. The more we're consciously connected to life, the more we interact with all aspects of it in positive and appreciative ways...and the more we do that, the easier it becomes to see beauty in everything. rose



I sooo agree with you. Beauty is a connection, an action.

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Reply #7 posted 02/17/04 2:14pm

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JDINTERACTIVE said:

Most of us would claim and commonly agree upon what is a beautiful person or object when we see it. Yet we are often unable to explain why we find the object we see before us so appealing. Has anyone any thoughts or analysis on this?What makes for example a beautiful piece of music, architecture, painting-tone? shape? textures?
What does it feel like to find something beautiful? Perhaps the power of beauty lies in the two. We experience it when spiritual value and outward appearance seem somewhat inseperable, capturing a sense of what it means to be human in those moments of deepest satisfaction.
An appreciation of beauty deepens our enjoyment of life. Look around you. Would you consider any of your furniture beautiful or the view from outside, or the heart of your recent Valentine?


Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!
No hablo espanol,no! no no no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien... nod
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Reply #8 posted 02/17/04 2:14pm

Therapy

Byron said:

Therapy said:




I sooo agree with you. Beauty is a connection, an action.

nod


nod nod

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Reply #9 posted 02/17/04 2:34pm

Byron

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Byron said:


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Reply #10 posted 02/17/04 2:37pm

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lilmissmissy said:

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Most of us would claim and commonly agree upon what is a beautiful person or object when we see it. Yet we are often unable to explain why we find the object we see before us so appealing. Has anyone any thoughts or analysis on this?What makes for example a beautiful piece of music, architecture, painting-tone? shape? textures?
What does it feel like to find something beautiful? Perhaps the power of beauty lies in the two. We experience it when spiritual value and outward appearance seem somewhat inseperable, capturing a sense of what it means to be human in those moments of deepest satisfaction.
An appreciation of beauty deepens our enjoyment of life. Look around you. Would you consider any of your furniture beautiful or the view from outside, or the heart of your recent Valentine?


Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!

omg

Who jacked Missy's account?



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Reply #11 posted 02/17/04 2:40pm

2the9s

lilmissmissy said:

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Most of us would claim and commonly agree upon what is a beautiful person or object when we see it. Yet we are often unable to explain why we find the object we see before us so appealing. Has anyone any thoughts or analysis on this?What makes for example a beautiful piece of music, architecture, painting-tone? shape? textures?
What does it feel like to find something beautiful? Perhaps the power of beauty lies in the two. We experience it when spiritual value and outward appearance seem somewhat inseperable, capturing a sense of what it means to be human in those moments of deepest satisfaction.
An appreciation of beauty deepens our enjoyment of life. Look around you. Would you consider any of your furniture beautiful or the view from outside, or the heart of your recent Valentine?


Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!


omg
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Reply #12 posted 02/17/04 2:44pm

Byron

bkw said:

lilmissmissy said:



Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!

omg

Who jacked Missy's account?

It's called "copy and paste"... cool
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Reply #13 posted 02/17/04 2:47pm

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Byron said:

bkw said:


omg

Who jacked Missy's account?

It's called "copy and paste"... cool

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Reply #14 posted 02/17/04 2:48pm

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Byron said:

bkw said:


omg

Who jacked Missy's account?

It's called "copy and paste"... cool


OY! I wrote dat okay... nana
No hablo espanol,no! no no no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien... nod
music "Come into my world..." music
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Reply #15 posted 02/17/04 2:49pm

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2the9s said:

lilmissmissy said:



Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!


omg


sneeze
No hablo espanol,no! no no no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien... nod
music "Come into my world..." music
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Reply #16 posted 02/17/04 2:50pm

Teacher

Since I'm extremely fond of animals, I will approach this from that angle. Sometimes when I watch my dog run, I get awed with the beauty of her movements, and the way she looks, her appearance. The same goes for a horse when it's in a dressage competition, the smoothness and poetry of motion can move me to tears. The way a cat stretches, the way they can jump 6 feet up in the air without any apparent effort. The flow back and forth of a multitude of fish through crystal clear water, the beating of the powerful wings of an eagle. All this moves me to a huge extent, but yet there are people who are afraid of any or more of these animals, so much that the sight makes them uncomfortable or even disgusted and hateful.

To me, beauty is extremely subjective, and many times what I find beautiful few others agree with. smile
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Reply #17 posted 02/17/04 2:53pm

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bkw said:

lilmissmissy said:



Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!

omg

Who jacked Missy's account?



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[This message was edited Tue Feb 17 14:38:15 2004 by bkw]


It could've been missHoneyHotchillie... that moo cow hmph!
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Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien... nod
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Reply #18 posted 02/17/04 3:35pm

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lilmissmissy said:


Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!


Beautiful!! wink
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Reply #19 posted 02/17/04 3:42pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

lilmissmissy said:


Physical beauty and the perception thereof is dependant on the environment in which an individual has lived in. Environment meaning outside influences; culture. What's beautiful in one culture is considered close to feral in another.

Inner beauty is almost universal I believe. The kindness and openess and the sincerity of one's heart cannot be defined by culture, but can be lost in a world of greed and the hearts of the spiritually unsatisfied and bitter.

nod thumbs up!


Beautiful!! wink


bat giggle bat
No hablo espanol,no! no no no!
Pero hablo ingles..ssii muy muy bien... nod
music "Come into my world..." music
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Reply #20 posted 02/17/04 5:26pm

Freespirit

rose rose rose rose rose hug to all...

Beautiful day... rose smile


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Reply #21 posted 02/17/04 9:38pm

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hmmm Hmmmm.....some thoughts on "beauty".

I grew up in a household full of secrets and fear, with parents who alternately loved, ignored or abused me and my brothers. I took every opportunity I could to escape the fear and pain of my "real" world, sometimes by running wild in the neighborhood, other times by reading books about far away lands, languages and people. As a child, I found beauty in those escapes, and in the affection of animals, in the soft-but-spiky grass under my feet, the smell of dirt, the speed of my bike, my legs that were able to carry me running running running away.....

I was physically punished or threatened at home if I cried or expressed pain, I was not allowed to, and so I learned to cry quietly, secretly and--finally--almost never at all. I learned to find beauty in my inner strength, in my wit, in my emotional survival skills, in my teachers and their praise, in a few of my classmates and their friendship.... pray

Maybe this is horrible, but I have never been one to verbally gush over beauty. (Especially not model-type physical beauty, that seems so unimportant) I don't emote over beauty much, but not because I don't feel or see beauty--I very much do--but perhaps because I'm sometimes afraid if I speak of it too much, it will disappear. Because of how I was raised, the things I feel most deeply, I tend to hold close to myself or express to a cherished and trusted few.

Some people have misinterpreted my remarks about life/other people as being "cynical" or "negative" or "judgemental". I can understand why they'd think that--I am often impatient with those who don't acknowledge their effect upon others; those who appear to act as if life is ONLY beautiful for EVERYONE; those who don't allow others to grieve or hurt or experience pain, and insist that those in pain must put on a happy face . People might also think I'm jaded because I have such a tough job, where I experience human struggle firsthand and try to help patients find a way through it. But, you see, it's really just the opposite: the beauty of people--my clients, my friends, strangers on the street--is the only thing that keeps me going and keeps my heart alive.

What touches me the most now in life are hearts of sincerity, of trust and hope and honesty, and pain borne of knowledge. Some examples of "Beauty" in my everyday life: listening to my new moms and dads ask a zillion questions about how to take care of their firstborn child. smile "Beauty" is a big part of why I moved to Washington--the majestic mountains, the Ocean and Puget sound, the evergreen forests. I smile at the sights that greet me everyday. I may not post about them, or go on and on about it to people at work or on the phone. But I smile to myself and silently give thanks to the Universe, and very much acknowledge the beauty.

And then, with my actions, I go help others create some beauty in their lives.

I'm really not such a monster. wink
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Reply #22 posted 02/17/04 9:43pm

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Beauty is all around us. Just gotta look for it and appreciate.
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Reply #23 posted 02/17/04 10:27pm

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JDINTERACTIVE said:

Most of us would claim and commonly agree upon what is a beautiful person or object when we see it. Yet we are often unable to explain why we find the object we see before us so appealing. Has anyone any thoughts or analysis on this?What makes for example a beautiful piece of music, architecture, painting-tone? shape? textures?
What does it feel like to find something beautiful? Perhaps the power of beauty lies in the two. We experience it when spiritual value and outward appearance seem somewhat inseperable, capturing a sense of what it means to be human in those moments of deepest satisfaction.
An appreciation of beauty deepens our enjoyment of life. Look around you. Would you consider any of your furniture beautiful or the view from outside, or the heart of your recent Valentine?


One man's beauty is another's boredom. A beautiful object or thing is what connects you to your passions - the core YOU. People connect to different things for a million different reasons because very few have identical lives/situations. Ever notice how knowing someone can make them so much more beautiful in your eyes than their physical characteristics will otherwise have you believe?

The mass media in our culture(s?) force-feeds us images of beauty that probably has a very large role to play in what we perceive as physically beautiful, however, I commonly disagree with the mass views on (physical) beauty, probably for that very reason - it's force-fed and I crave something different. What is so often sold as 'cool' is stupid to me. To me beauty, attractiveness, interest in something, appeal...it's anything that connects me to my own passions, ideas, beliefs, wants.
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Reply #24 posted 02/18/04 1:52am

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My coffee table is beautiful nod

My family are beautiful

My friends are beautiful hug Thank you all, you know who you are!
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....(in the case of prince3.org....well i am doubtful.....) cool
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Reply #26 posted 02/18/04 3:28am

Therapy

AnotherLoverToo said:

hmmm Hmmmm.....some thoughts on "beauty".

I grew up in a household full of secrets and fear, with parents who alternately loved, ignored or abused me and my brothers. I took every opportunity I could to escape the fear and pain of my "real" world, sometimes by running wild in the neighborhood, other times by reading books about far away lands, languages and people. As a child, I found beauty in those escapes, and in the affection of animals, in the soft-but-spiky grass under my feet, the smell of dirt, the speed of my bike, my legs that were able to carry me running running running away.....

I was physically punished or threatened at home if I cried or expressed pain, I was not allowed to, and so I learned to cry quietly, secretly and--finally--almost never at all. I learned to find beauty in my inner strength, in my wit, in my emotional survival skills, in my teachers and their praise, in a few of my classmates and their friendship.... pray

Maybe this is horrible, but I have never been one to verbally gush over beauty. (Especially not model-type physical beauty, that seems so unimportant) I don't emote over beauty much, but not because I don't feel or see beauty--I very much do--but perhaps because I'm sometimes afraid if I speak of it too much, it will disappear. Because of how I was raised, the things I feel most deeply, I tend to hold close to myself or express to a cherished and trusted few.

Some people have misinterpreted my remarks about life/other people as being "cynical" or "negative" or "judgemental". I can understand why they'd think that--I am often impatient with those who don't acknowledge their effect upon others; those who appear to act as if life is ONLY beautiful for EVERYONE; those who don't allow others to grieve or hurt or experience pain, and insist that those in pain must put on a happy face . People might also think I'm jaded because I have such a tough job, where I experience human struggle firsthand and try to help patients find a way through it. But, you see, it's really just the opposite: the beauty of people--my clients, my friends, strangers on the street--is the only thing that keeps me going and keeps my heart alive.

What touches me the most now in life are hearts of sincerity, of trust and hope and honesty, and pain borne of knowledge. Some examples of "Beauty" in my everyday life: listening to my new moms and dads ask a zillion questions about how to take care of their firstborn child. smile "Beauty" is a big part of why I moved to Washington--the majestic mountains, the Ocean and Puget sound, the evergreen forests. I smile at the sights that greet me everyday. I may not post about them, or go on and on about it to people at work or on the phone. But I smile to myself and silently give thanks to the Universe, and very much acknowledge the beauty.

And then, with my actions, I go help others create some beauty in their lives.

I'm really not such a monster. wink


I find this post beautiful. I am valuing your sharing rose
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Reply #27 posted 02/18/04 5:25am

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Beauty is anything that gives my eyes and others senses pleasure. lips
And, beauty is characteristics I find in material objects and/or abstractions which gratify my intellect and/or moral feelings. rose

peace Not soley towards me, and certainly not only of mine...however, beauty is whatever charms me. rose
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Reply #28 posted 02/18/04 5:33am

2the9s

AnotherLoverToo said:

hmmm Hmmmm.....some thoughts on "beauty".

I grew up in a household full of secrets and fear, with parents who alternately loved, ignored or abused me and my brothers. I took every opportunity I could to escape the fear and pain of my "real" world, sometimes by running wild in the neighborhood, other times by reading books about far away lands, languages and people. As a child, I found beauty in those escapes, and in the affection of animals, in the soft-but-spiky grass under my feet, the smell of dirt, the speed of my bike, my legs that were able to carry me running running running away.....

I was physically punished or threatened at home if I cried or expressed pain, I was not allowed to, and so I learned to cry quietly, secretly and--finally--almost never at all. I learned to find beauty in my inner strength, in my wit, in my emotional survival skills, in my teachers and their praise, in a few of my classmates and their friendship.... pray

Maybe this is horrible, but I have never been one to verbally gush over beauty. (Especially not model-type physical beauty, that seems so unimportant) I don't emote over beauty much, but not because I don't feel or see beauty--I very much do--but perhaps because I'm sometimes afraid if I speak of it too much, it will disappear. Because of how I was raised, the things I feel most deeply, I tend to hold close to myself or express to a cherished and trusted few.

Some people have misinterpreted my remarks about life/other people as being "cynical" or "negative" or "judgemental". I can understand why they'd think that--I am often impatient with those who don't acknowledge their effect upon others; those who appear to act as if life is ONLY beautiful for EVERYONE; those who don't allow others to grieve or hurt or experience pain, and insist that those in pain must put on a happy face . People might also think I'm jaded because I have such a tough job, where I experience human struggle firsthand and try to help patients find a way through it. But, you see, it's really just the opposite: the beauty of people--my clients, my friends, strangers on the street--is the only thing that keeps me going and keeps my heart alive.

What touches me the most now in life are hearts of sincerity, of trust and hope and honesty, and pain borne of knowledge. Some examples of "Beauty" in my everyday life: listening to my new moms and dads ask a zillion questions about how to take care of their firstborn child. smile "Beauty" is a big part of why I moved to Washington--the majestic mountains, the Ocean and Puget sound, the evergreen forests. I smile at the sights that greet me everyday. I may not post about them, or go on and on about it to people at work or on the phone. But I smile to myself and silently give thanks to the Universe, and very much acknowledge the beauty.

And then, with my actions, I go help others create some beauty in their lives.

I'm really not such a monster. wink


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Reply #29 posted 02/18/04 5:39am

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Stop fishing JD, we all know you is Bootifull lol

From a geek perspective external beauty is defined through symmetry. If the face and body are symmetrical and in proportion you are generally considered more beautiful. They have done experiments with kids (gotta love that!!) where they judge beauty based on how a child reacts to a face. Children feel inherently safer with “beautiful” people as defined by their symmetry.

The other stuff you said, needs some thought, I am generally not a happy chap so I tend to look for things before I see them.

However sometimes I just cry cus what I have experienced was ultimate beauty, very hard to explain but I know it when it happens.
Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard!
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