I am for the death penalty and if anybody needs a perfect example where anti-death penalty morality should go flying out the window...this is it.

My love and prayers to the family. Rest in peace little one
[This message was edited Fri Feb 6 10:15:08 PST 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

LSUFAN said:

you are advocating public torture similar to medieval times. we have come a long way since then. apparently, we have a long way to go.

we need less violence, not more, no matter how justified you think that violence might be. we've tried everything else, and it hasn't worked.

purplegypsy said:

yeah, i had really prayed that she would be found alive. that was the first thing i heard when i woke up today. it was so sad. hopefully, this will remind people of real problems the world is facing. i don't know how a family gets through something like this. its just awful.

no, iamthetouch, the united states HAS NOT TRIED what i am advocating when a minor is abducted/raped/murdered. let's give it a shot, and see if we can eradicate these horrible crimes. or we could just sit around as a nation and continue to let this happen. a person contemplating doing this will have A LOT MORE TO CONSIDER before snatching a little child like that if they know they will endure PURE HELL for a number of hours or days as punishment for their crimes!!!

This sucks big time. So fast; so horrible.

As for justice: I support the death penalty, but I'm vehemently against how it's currently administered in the U.S. A solution? I don't know.

If I were the father, I and my homies would probably be planning some hard-core medieval shit right now... Torture a la LSUFAN's suggestion sounds pretty appropriate. But I'd make damn sure the f*cker lives a long life after I fucked him up to suffer every day the consequences of what he did.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 6 10:50:29 PST 2004 by Lammastide]

And I saw the missing report of her on the TV just on Wednesday night...this is so messed up for her soul

The thing that is so scary is how fast it happened. Just like that... This is so sad.

LSUFAN said:

i was speaking in terms of humanity as a whole - just because the United States in its current form did not exist during medieval times does not mean torture has not been inflicted upon people.

i disagree with you that a perpetrator of a violent crime thinks much about their punishment at the time he or she commits the crime. their motivation springs from anger, frustration, fear... basically the same emotions that make us look for violent solutions to violence.

please understand - i share your anger and frustration at what seems to be a neverending series of violent crimes, targeting one of our most vulnerable groups, children. these crimes need to be punished harshly, and i advocate mandatory live sentences without parole for such offenders.

where our opinions differ are simply in the long-term solution to these problems. i believe that violence creates violence, and that non-violent alternatives are the only way to improve our society. maybe not in your lifetime or mine, but i'm willing to work toward a better society farther down the road.

IAmTheTouch said:

Sweetheart, I respect where your coming from. However, will giving this man the same sentence he gave the little girl make either of us violent? I don't believe that "violent" acts of justice, if that's how you want to view the death penalty, will further violence in society. Anyone who is apt to have violent reactions in response to putting this man to death will have violent reactions no matter what.

kisscamille said:

And though I don't consider myself violent or unfair to others, having narrowly escaped THREE abduction attempts in my lifetime (one at 7, another at 14, and the last at 19)-I have ZERO tolerance for this kind of crime. I do not believe that people who murder children can be rehabilitated, period. Sitting for 20 years on the row, usurping my tax dollars to feed, house, and clothe them pisses me off and I aboslutey support getting rid of them.

As a father, I think I'd spend some time alone with this guy for some one on one discussion.

With a hammer, a pair of pliers, a blow torch, a rusty fork... or maybe just a bunch honey and ANTS.

then preach his funeral.


Seriously, we've all read about stuff like this our whole lives. Now that I'm a "daddy" this stuff just hits me HARD. Like I want to run home and lock all the doors and windows and never let my child out of my sight the rest of his life! Man. I think I want to move back to the country.

Tennessee anyone?
I want my child(ren) to experience what I did growing up. To be able to walk to a friends house. Going camping (on his own) I had 20 acre back yard! My parents could feel comphortable knowing that I was just out playing.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Hi Richard, thank you for trying to understand where i'm coming from. this kind of open discussion is important, and i appreciate your open-mindedness despite our disagreement.

to answer your question - killing a person in my name (as is done when the country or state where i live executes a person) makes me a part of the cycle of violence. whether i flip the switch, or whether somebody else has this unenviable job doesn't really matter.

you know that i work to not cause suffering in my daily life. the death pentalty, which is still regularly applied here in North Carolina, is one area where i have relatively little control, but not speaking up against it would be tantamount to condoning it.

i feel strongly that picking and choosing where violence is appropriate and where it is not is turning a blind eye on an overarching problem. violence and the infliction of suffering is never right.

yamomma said:

seems like it gets harder and harder all the time for our kids to just be kids.

LSUFAN said:

Hell yeah! I'd watch it.

In that case. smothered in honey in a small locked room full of millions of ants. The big african kind I saw on the discovery channel that can take down a cow and clean him to the bone over night.

That way, nobody kills him. The ants do. (in a very slow and painful way)

yamomma said:

Sure, I like that idea. As long as the monster isn't on this earth anymore, I'm satisfied. Instead, he will probably be tried and convicted (with DNA proof) and will spend 15 years sitting on deathrow with appeals etc while we (the tax payers) pay for his stay and his further education. In the meantime, the bleeding hearts of the world will be trying to figure out where society went wrong with this man!

yamomma said:

Good one!

kisscamille said:

i have little faith in our legal system as it is, I AM THE TOUCH suggested that too many people are put on deathrow that are innocent, i support your ideas wholeheartedly, there is no way to tell for sure when a person does these crimes (unless of course you have video proof) and to me, the police often times under pressure to have SOMEONE pay for the crimes that take place around us, would be more willing to point a finger at anyone.

it tears me up to think of someone who didnt commit the crime they are accused of being on deathrow,and what that would do to someones mind - however, it also tears me up to think of the people that HAVE done the crimes, that sit on deathrow for years --- i guess there is no easy answer here for any of it.

i wish that the world was a better place, less hate, less crime, less anger, and less heartache - but in reality, it will never disappear. i just dont think i can support killing another person when the crime that we are all so upset about IS killing another --- again, no easy answer

IAmTheTouch said:

Good point crazyhorse.

As a father, I personally would want to take him out. If anyone else did it, I'd feel cheated. Unless I supplied the ants.

IAmTheTouch said:

Whether I'd actually do it or not...

Maybe I'd smother him with Jesus until he took himself out. I actually know a lady that did that.

Her son, my classmate/friend, was stabbed and killed at his job by a young kid that wanted to rob the cash drawer. My buddy just had a baby of his own too.

After a year or so, his mother would visit the guy in jail and preach to him almost every week. For some reason, that brought some closer for her. The killer on the other hand, went batty.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 6 14:54:06 PST 2004 by yamomma]

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I hope he gets what he gave her, death.

Rest in Peace

i held my daughter

so tight tonight . . .


and it wasnt tight enough




so grim

shausler said:

now THATS touching, do any of you remember the show GROWING PAINS ? the one when mike goes out with his friends and the 'cool' kids were doin coke ? his other friends were ready to get into it too, but mike wouldnt go. when he went home, his dad was like, where were you ? he told him all about the evening, and his dad was all proud of him --- but at the end, when he walked to the steps to go to bed, he went and locked the door, as if to say, im locking out the evil to protect my family --- i still remember that, sometimes as a parent, its overwhelming to see the evil that is just outside our door -- i feel your emotion honey hold her tight

Being a mother of an 11 year old myself I was really
saddened to hear the news of this poor little girl and
everything her family must be going through right now.
My prayers and thoughts are with them and I can only
hope that they are able to get through this being that
if it was me I dont know how in the world I would even
be able to go on w/o my daughter. People sicken me and
it teaches me more than ever when things like this happen
how aware I need to make my daughter that she is not
invincible and how aware she really needs to be about
her surroundings and to NEVER be alone anywhere at anytime!

RIP Carlie Brucia

As I mentioned before- I HAVE BEEN THERE AND WAS LUCKY ENOUGH SOMEHOW, TO GET AWAY.

I am a person who has NARROWLY escaped THREE ABDUCTION ATTEMPTS IN MY LIFETIME, at ages 7, 14, and 19 throughout different cities in America.

In each case it was only a matter of THREE SECONDS where my intuition and adrenalin (sp?) kicked in to put me in flight from my would-be predators and saved my fucking LIFE.

The thing I will never forget are the FACES of those would be predators, and the unabashed EVIL in their eyes when they tried to take me while riding my bike in front of my house, walking 1 block home from a babysitting job, and walking on a busy city street to my college internship (respectively).

What a child sees in the eyes of a predator, at the moment when they KNOW they're in troulble, is unlike any terror I can think of. The look in the eyes of the predator when he is pursuing you speaks of evil so bottomless, so horrific and insatiable- that I believe with EVERY FIBER IN MY SOUL that rehabilitation is impossible for these people. They HAVE NO HUMANITY. They walk amongst us completely overwhelmed by their desires to inflict pain and suffering among children, and cannot, WILL NOT stop, regardless of how many times we put them in therapy (courtesy of our tax dollars). They are always waiting for the opportune moment to satisfy that hunger, that thirst which they cannot control, that tells them,

"Now...Now..."

"Take her...TAKE her..."

" ...Snuff the life..."


For me, I don't think these people should be on this earth, allowed to perpetuate this cycle amongst the earth's most defenseless...children. For each of the abduction attempts where I miraculously escaped by running, screaming, standing in the middle of mid-day cross town traffic-or in the case as a seven year old, peddling to my driveway as fast as I could calling for my dad and any neighbor I could think of to HELP ME- I know they went on to find another child or young adult who didn't have the chance to act so fast.


Those men escaped, and I KNOW that being unsatisfied, they went on to find other victims. I saw it in their EYES. Somehow I always managed to take ONE LAST LOOK at them while in flight, and I could always see a kind of hunger in their eyes- a kind of anger because I had gotten away, and I've always known intuitively that even though I escaped, they moved on to someone else, maybe that week or within the month, in another neighborhood.

...it's been between 26 years since the first abduction attempt, 19 years since the second, and 14 years since the last. Though I haven't thought about it much over the years, I do wonder now, from time to time, WHERE those men are, and how many victims they've gotten to who didn't have those three seconds to figure out what to do, and naturally I wonder where they still walk amongst us planning for the next attack in Anytown, USA- next month, next week, or maybe even today...

I stand behind my belief that these people cannot be rehabilated. And though I live in Europe I still pay my American taxes that pay for convicts of these crimes to sit&
usurp my hard-earned money with free roof over their heads, food to eat, prison gyms, and time to "think" about what they've done. Well, all I know is I remember the look in each pair of eyes when they tried to take me, and I didn't see any hint of potential rehabilitaion in those men vs. a look that said,

"Relish this..."


In a case such as this I support the death penalty.

yamomma said:

I think the woman was right, showing love, compassion and sharing the grief you have over the lost person (make sure the criminal gets to know his victim personally) with the criminal in my opinion is the only way it might turn out for the good.
If the person has some good inside they might turn out good or kill them selfs. If not they'll get aggressive and will have a hard time getting out of jail.

An idea I had, which to my knowledge isn't done anywhere, is to make sure that his genes (kids, cousins etc.) are monitored and picked out if something seems wrong with their way of dealing with live.

I also think that criminals that are set free should be tagged with some devise so they can be monitored at all times but don't have to be locked up, so they can live a perfectly free live.

Off course I realize these things have millions of complications, but at least it's better than what happens now.
I just think the system now only makes it worse. Petty thief's learn how to become real criminals in jail and when a person feels everyone hates him or her, why should they turn out good. They'll only hate them selfs more and don't care what happens as long as they get what they want (money, sex or the feeling of power)

Just my idea 'bout the whole thing. Maybe I'm being naive