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I'd just like to those guys over there i'm white, have over 4000 posts here and not one locked thread or even a warning. If you get kicked, banned or locked threads, it's probably your own ignorant fault or how you've conducted yourself in the past here, and absolutely nothing to do with the org being anti-white. idiots.
Shame on you all. 
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June7 said: Wasn't applekisses voted sweetest Orger over here? I ain't vote for her ass. | |
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Aerogram said: June7 said: ...and leading a double life. How can you come here and act all nicey-nice, knowing you've been talking shit about a lot of the folks here, and now we know?
Are you gonna say anything about your involvement in that site? Are you gonna come clean? We've all read your statements, your racist jokes, your disdain for the Org... yet here you are? What are you gonna say to make this better... what can you say? I'm very sickened by all of this... I can because I am nice. I joined out of curiosity, one hour because this whole thing became public. I did not look at the threads much - I greeted a few people, went to watch the Daily Show, then came back with the intention of looking a bit more -- but by then it was all over the Org. I'm sure there will be guilt by association. My Center for the Banned and Departed Orgers thread was created entirely out of seeing the departure rituals here at the Org. Of course, now it looks like I knew, and I bet there are people on both sides who won't believe me. Just note that the CBDO thread is not exactly kind to those who rant on about either their departure or their banishment. In any case, if you guys want to dig dirt on me regarding whatever went down at the site, be my guest. You won't find any, because my "membership" can be dated in minutes rather than days. I understand why some of you feel deeply betrayed.Believe it or not, I did not have time to read the threads you have all read, so in my case, it was purely curiosity and the names of a few long lost Orgers. Did I know what to expect? Some... yes. But just like on the Org, I steer clear of the most rancid sounding topics, I did not take part in any "Org bashin" nor did I criticize or even read about an Orger being criticized. My CBDO thread was about cooling down on the drama. The idea that I would go somewhere daily to bitch about what I don't like on the Org defies logic. From just about day one when I started posting on the Old org, Aero and I have had problems with one another. I don't know if they have ever been worked out I don't know if they ever will be. But there is not one fraction of my being that believes that he (or some others) should be tarred with the same brush. Look up some of his posts on race and see for yourself. He got caught in the crossfire. That's all. | |
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2the9s said: Aerogram said: June7 said: ...and leading a double life. How can you come here and act all nicey-nice, knowing you've been talking shit about a lot of the folks here, and now we know?
Are you gonna say anything about your involvement in that site? Are you gonna come clean? We've all read your statements, your racist jokes, your disdain for the Org... yet here you are? What are you gonna say to make this better... what can you say? I'm very sickened by all of this... I can because I am nice. I joined out of curiosity, one hour because this whole thing became public. I did not look at the threads much - I greeted a few people, went to watch the Daily Show, then came back with the intention of looking a bit more -- but by then it was all over the Org. I'm sure there will be guilt by association. My Center for the Banned and Departed Orgers thread was created entirely out of seeing the departure rituals here at the Org. Of course, now it looks like I knew, and I bet there are people on both sides who won't believe me. Just note that the CBDO thread is not exactly kind to those who rant on about either their departure or their banishment. In any case, if you guys want to dig dirt on me regarding whatever went down at the site, be my guest. You won't find any, because my "membership" can be dated in minutes rather than days. I understand why some of you feel deeply betrayed.Believe it or not, I did not have time to read the threads you have all read, so in my case, it was purely curiosity and the names of a few long lost Orgers. Did I know what to expect? Some... yes. But just like on the Org, I steer clear of the most rancid sounding topics, I did not take part in any "Org bashin" nor did I criticize or even read about an Orger being criticized. My CBDO thread was about cooling down on the drama. The idea that I would go somewhere daily to bitch about what I don't like on the Org defies logic. From just about day one when I started posting on the Old org, Aero and I have had problems with one another. I don't know if they have ever been worked out I don't know if they ever will be. But there is not one fraction of my being that believes that he (or some others) should be tarred with the same brush. Look up some of his posts on race and see for yourself. He got caught in the crossfire. That's all.  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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I guess we can nominate this and all related threads as the Org event of the year for the next Orgie nominations?
I make no appologies for posting on that site. I was invited, I joined. The things I said there, I've said here. My only thread of substance had to do with RDHull and the points I made about Chris Borgman there are the same points I made to his face here. Guilt me by association if you must but I have no fear of anything I said there because I just joked around there like I do here. And you won't find that my jokes were racial in nature because that's not who I am. I can't speak for anybody else... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I guess we can nominate this and all related threads as the Org event of the year for the next Orgie nominations?
I make no appologies for posting on that site. I was invited, I joined. The things I said there, I've said here. My only thread of substance had to do with RDHull and the points I made about Chris Borgman there are the same points I made to his face here. Guilt me by association if you must but I have no fear of anything I said there because I just joked around there like I do here. And you won't find that my jokes were racial in nature because that's not who I am. I can't speak for anybody else... I think we all know this about you Supa... you are a delight. 
And the same goes for CarrieCee, I don't think she got caught up in the racial shit... SHe probably was forthright with the others... ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I guess we can nominate this and all related threads as the Org event of the year for the next Orgie nominations?
I make no appologies for posting on that site. I was invited, I joined. The things I said there, I've said here. My only thread of substance had to do with RDHull and the points I made about Chris Borgman there are the same points I made to his face here. Guilt me by association if you must but I have no fear of anything I said there because I just joked around there like I do here. And you won't find that my jokes were racial in nature because that's not who I am. I can't speak for anybody else... I reiterate. I know you truly don't owe us an apology or explaination... none of you do. It just surprises me to see how many Orgers were over there spreading the filth and hatred so freely. You do what you gotta do. You've said what you've said, and I applaud the fact that you felt compelled to come to this thread and kinda explain yourself... ... 
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moderatorJune7 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I guess we can nominate this and all related threads as the Org event of the year for the next Orgie nominations?
I make no appologies for posting on that site. I was invited, I joined. The things I said there, I've said here. My only thread of substance had to do with RDHull and the points I made about Chris Borgman there are the same points I made to his face here. Guilt me by association if you must but I have no fear of anything I said there because I just joked around there like I do here. And you won't find that my jokes were racial in nature because that's not who I am. I can't speak for anybody else... I reiterate. I know you truly don't owe us an apology or explaination... none of you do. It just surprises me to see how many Orgers were over there spreading the filth and hatred so freely. You do what you gotta do. You've said what you've said, and I applaud the fact that you felt compelled to come to this thread and kinda explain yourself... ...
(sad edit) [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 9:57:21 PST 2004 by June7] I didn't spread any filth. The majority of the threads I made involved trying to seduce Teller. You've seen me do it here a thousand times. I was new to the site so I didn't see most of the threads cited and certainly didn't get involved in them. The only reason I even felt compelled to state my case is because I see I'm already on a list of KKK racists and nothing I ever said there was racist in nature. I said what I had to say to RDHull about Borgman and I had my chance to say what I had to say to Aarron about it and that's what I did. As I said before, I said nothing there that I haven't said here. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Under the motto - know thy enemy - i logged on to that crap-site.
People - I did not see Supa, Ian, Aero or Muse engage in any racist or gay-bashing kind of crap June7, gotta trust me on this one. From what i saw the crap started through the usual assh*les; Icenine, Aaron, Chemmie. What i gathered from Ian he was looking for a way to contact ppl from the org again since he stopped posting here. Although his arguments were weak (like the org is the only way to contact ppl) that seemes to be the reason him posting there. Ian, if you're lurking this : Use a PC with a dif IP (use an anonymous proxy for f*cks sake), create an account solely for the purpose of mailing to ppl you want to contact; how hard can it be for a former mod? You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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AlfofMelmak said: Under the motto - know thy enemy - i logged on to that crap-site.
[color=red:aa61521ced:8479ba85e3]People - I did not see Supa, Ian, Aero or Muse engage in any racist or gay-bashing kind of crap June7, gotta trust me on this one. From what i saw the crap started through the usual assh*les; Icenine, Aaron, Chemmie. What i gathered from Ian he was looking for a way to contact ppl from the org again since he stopped posting here. Although his arguments were weak (like the org is the only way to contact ppl) that seemes to be the reason him posting there. Ian, if you're lurking this : Use a PC with a dif IP (use an anonymous proxy for f*cks sake), create an account solely for the purpose of mailing to ppl you want to contact; how hard can it be for a former mod? Ian e-mailed me.. I do not believe he participated in any of the hatred that occured at that site. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: AlfofMelmak said: Under the motto - know thy enemy - i logged on to that crap-site.
[color=red:aa61521ced:8479ba85e3:de6777d5c7]People - I did not see Supa, Ian, Aero or Muse engage in any racist or gay-bashing kind of crap June7, gotta trust me on this one. From what i saw the crap started through the usual assh*les; Icenine, Aaron, Chemmie. What i gathered from Ian he was looking for a way to contact ppl from the org again since he stopped posting here. Although his arguments were weak (like the org is the only way to contact ppl) that seemes to be the reason him posting there. Ian, if you're lurking this : Use a PC with a dif IP (use an anonymous proxy for f*cks sake), create an account solely for the purpose of mailing to ppl you want to contact; how hard can it be for a former mod? Ian e-mailed me.. I do not believe he participated in any of the hatred that occured at that site. As far as i saw, you are correct You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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How hard could it be to work out the agenda of that website though? Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not. | |
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MD7 said: How hard could it be to work out the agenda of that website though? Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not.
I logged on to post the EXACT same thought. I read Supa's posts on various threads and thought "anybody who'd firstly be a member of such a site and then secondly NOT EVEN PROTEST when friends were bashed in that way can't be right in the head". Also, how many threads could there have been? How hard to see those hateful threads? 
To me, NOBODY partaking in this site is innocent. U cannot sit on two chairs unless u have a VERY wide ass. None of these people have one wide enough. | |
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MD7 said: How hard could it be to work out the agenda of that website though? Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not.
MD7 I am sorry you feel this way.. I do not feel the same. Granted the website was fucked up, and sadly human nature is weak. It tears my heart up to have known that Teller created such a hate filled website.. It tears me up to see my friends being called filthy names. You know what really breaks my heart? I was Chemmie's secret santa, and I am hispanic. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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Teacher said: MD7 said: How hard could it be to work out the agenda of that website though? Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not.
I logged on to post the EXACT same thought. I read Supa's posts on various threads and thought "anybody who'd firstly be a member of such a site and then secondly NOT EVEN PROTEST when friends were bashed in that way can't be right in the head". Also, how many threads could there have been? How hard to see those hateful threads?
To me, NOBODY partaking in this site is innocent. U cannot sit on two chairs unless u have a VERY wide ass. None of these people have one wide enough. Well there is certainly no way to prove how many times I visited the site or which threads I clicked on and read. I had not read most of the stuf cited. Do you think for one minute that I would have just sat there and not said a word about Aarons "faggoty ass Aids" comments had I seen it? i confronted Aaron about his lame ass campaign against CBorgman for moderator, you think I'd leave truly hateful and evil remarks alone? You know I wouldn't. I was fairly new to the site and engaged in the same shenanigans there that i do here...namely trying to seduce straight men, which is just joking but hey someone might bight one of these times. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Though I said nothing regreatable I did not agree with and really did not read those inflamatory threads just as I didnt here either. . I realize ignorance is not an excuse . I was fully aware of the extreme views ... I just blew em out , stuck to my own format and will say am now forced to rethink my own postion. So I am unable to fully answer you as I need to revaluate a good many things. How I spend my time and what that does or doesnt say to others. | |
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AlfofMelmak said: People - I did not see Supa, Ian, Aero or Muse engage in any racist or gay-bashing kind of crap
June7, gotta trust me on this one. From what i saw the crap started through the usual assh*les; Icenine, Aaron, Chemmie. Alf, you are a stand up guy and I love you! I'll take your word for it... still... MD7 said: Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not.
My first reaction was this one.. but, age (38 yrs) has taught me a lesson... go with your gut. And... MD7 I am sorry you feel this way.. I do not feel the same.
Granted the website was fucked up, and sadly human nature is weak. It tears my heart up to have known that Teller created such a hate filled website.. It tears me up to see my friends being called filthy names. I've talked to SupaFunky before in Orgnotes and on threads... I know in his heart he's a great guy. I think I'll go with my gut on this one...  |
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sag10 said: MD7 said: How hard could it be to work out the agenda of that website though? Sorry but I find it hard to respect anybody who could happily be a member of such a blatantly fucked up website whether you were a ringleader or not.
MD7 I am sorry you feel this way.. I do not feel the same. Granted the website was fucked up, and sadly human nature is weak. It tears my heart up to have known that Teller created such a hate filled website.. It tears me up to see my friends being called filthy names. You know what really breaks my heart? I was Chemmie's secret santa, and I am hispanic. I agree with your sentiments in theory, from seeing the website it's obvious who the main brains behind the operations were, others may have been a little confused or just going along for a naughty ride. All the IDs who joined still leave a really bitter taste in the mouth though even if the bitterness varies in extent. In a perfect world Teller, IceNine, Chemmie, Aaron and Jedimaster would have been left alone in a gang of five to bitterly stew, offend and hate. They were offered way more compliance by folk who should have known better IMO... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I guess we can nominate this and all related threads as the Org event of the year for the next Orgie nominations?
I make no appologies for posting on that site. I was invited, I joined. The things I said there, I've said here. My only thread of substance had to do with RDHull and the points I made about Chris Borgman there are the same points I made to his face here. Guilt me by association if you must but I have no fear of anything I said there because I just joked around there like I do here. And you won't find that my jokes were racial in nature because that's not who I am. I can't speak for anybody else... Well said. I was gonna post something similar, but you said it better than I could. I was invited over there the day before yesterday, and I said nothing over there that I wouldn't or haven't said over here. Then I come here (which I do every couple of days or so) and the shit seems to hit the fan big-time! | |
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MD7, edit your list, cuz you are generalizing.
On that sick joke thread Muse said: Now I know how not to click a link I don't like. I also know I have a right to an opinion...I am about to exercise that right. I found the jokes about female children particularly disturbing. So Kamile get a shrinkish...
Furthermore I did no see Ian post any crap, nor did Aero or Supa You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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AlfofMelmak said: MD7, edit your list, cuz you are generalizing.
On that sick joke thread Muse said: Now I know how not to click a link I don't like. I also know I have a right to an opinion...I am about to exercise that right. I found the jokes about female children particularly disturbing. So Kamile get a shrinkish...
Furthermore I did no see Ian post any crap, nor did Aero or Supa It's just a factual list of the Quaid membership, no more no less. If there are any people on list who weren't members or if I missing some who were then let me know and I'll edit it... | |
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I pretty much concur with what Supa has said.
In addition: get a fucking grip, people!  | |
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While I can see how some may misinterpret my comments on that site…I do feel you are judging me without asking me what was going on in my own head and heart…so for the concern of some and the entertainment value of others…here it goes…
I posted and laughed at some of those things that were posted because, to me, the racist terms that were being posted on that site are beyond ludicrous (DEFINITION: Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity)...they are absurd. They bare no validity in my world. THAT's why I was joking...and THAT's why I laughed. I cannot tell you why anyone else posted what they did...but, that's why I did it. Because of the obvious tounge-in-cheek posting style, I never imagined that anyone might be offended and would take them so seriously. I try to live my life without hurting others…so, that thought never entered my mind. To me it was a joke about the absurdity of racism…not a knock against people of other ethnicities. For anyone who really knows me…they know that is not how I was raised and it is not how I live my life. But...I see now that it really doesn't matter what my intention was...I will be judged not on my character, but by a stupid post on a stupid internet Web site. That, along with hurting those I care for, is the most sad. | |
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MelissaC said: In addition: get a fucking grip, people!
Were you so cool when you stormed out of Prince.org due to not having polygamy accepted? Just some other folk been insulted now and you were part of the gang rather than the victim this time? | |
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MD7 said: MelissaC said: In addition: get a fucking grip, people!
Were you so cool when you stormed out of Prince.org due to not having polygamy accepted? Just some other folk been insulted now and you were part of the gang rather than the victim this time? First off, I ain't cool. Let's just make that clear RIGHT now. 
Second, I did not "storm out of prince.org due to not having polygamy accepted." That is simply a false statement. The thread where I, belatedly, explained my actual intentions has been deleted. I don't care to rehash it. I called Aaron out on making such a nasty, cowardly thread about Chris when he wasn't there to defend himself, and did not participate in the race/etc. jokes. I do think y'all are overreacting; I pretty much agree with Teller's position on humor. In any case, I did nothing wrong, and am entirely unapologetic. Deal with it. | |
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applekisses said: While I can see how some may misinterpret my comments on that site…I do feel you are judging me without asking me what was going on in my own head and heart…so for the concern of some and the entertainment value of others…here it goes…
If you know that a certain word is offensive to a certain group of people and you use it anyway, whether you are joking or not, can you understand why folks would be offended by it?I posted and laughed at some of those things that were posted because, to me, the racist terms that were being posted on that site are beyond ludicrous (DEFINITION: Laughable or hilarious because of obvious absurdity or incongruity)...they are absurd. They bare no validity in my world. THAT's why I was joking...and THAT's why I laughed. I cannot tell you why anyone else posted what they did...but, that's why I did it. Because of the obvious tounge-in-cheek posting style, I never imagined that anyone might be offended and would take them so seriously. I try to live my life without hurting others…so, that thought never entered my mind. To me it was a joke about the absurdity of racism…not a knock against people of other ethnicities. For anyone who really knows me…they know that is not how I was raised and it is not how I live my life. But...I see now that it really doesn't matter what my intention was...I will be judged not on my character, but by a stupid post on a stupid internet Web site. That, along with hurting those I care for, is the most sad. | |
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MelissaC said: MD7 said: MelissaC said: In addition: get a fucking grip, people!
Were you so cool when you stormed out of Prince.org due to not having polygamy accepted? Just some other folk been insulted now and you were part of the gang rather than the victim this time? First off, I ain't cool. Let's just make that clear RIGHT now.
Second, I did not "storm out of prince.org due to not having polygamy accepted." That is simply a false statement. The thread where I, belatedly, explained my actual intentions has been deleted. I don't care to rehash it. I called Aaron out on making such a nasty, cowardly thread about Chris when he wasn't there to defend himself, and did not participate in the race/etc. jokes. I do think y'all are overreacting; I pretty much agree with Teller's position on humor. In any case, I did nothing wrong, and am entirely unapologetic. Deal with it. That was Teller's website, he was ringleading, moderating and organising the whole thing so get it straight now, you either agreed with the race/etc jokes that were so funny to everyone or you aren't a fan of and in agreeance with Teller? | |
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MelissaC said: I pretty much concur with what Supa has said.
In addition: get a fucking grip, people! "Get a fucking grip, people" says the one who stormed out because her polyanna situation was being questioned, even though she brought it up. "Get a fucking grip, people" says the one who "left" the Org when her "Statement of Love" thread was nominated for "Most Embarrassing". (Seems it can be dished out, but not taken) "Get a fucking grip, people" says the one who just concurred with a thoughtful post made by a truly sincere Orger, just to end it with a "fuck you" type statement. I've pretty much stayed out of your situation, though I always thought you were a pretty decent person. Your sex life and personal life were of no concern to me... I am ver tolerant of most things. However, your involvement in that site FROM WHAT I'VE READ, was not in jest or secrecy... nor, from your post are you even regretful or truly apologetic. Truth be told, we don't need apologies or explanations... the truth is out there, it's just been removed for now. Who knows what Teller's going to do with his site now, but I'm sure once it's up and running again at another "secret" address, you'll be the first one there posting your crap about how much you hate this site and it's people. The shit has hit the fan, and ya'll don't have any umbrellas. |
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