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PrintableSpcMs said: As for Supa's necklace. I guess GOD must have turned it... Or he is REALLY in touch with the universe
[This message was edited Tue Jan 20 15:21:05 PST 2004 by SpcMs] You can mock it all you want, the facts remain: I always place the necklace facing the street. Because of the chain it's on, the pendant doesn't simply flip around. I was at a standstill and the cross was facing me. I wondered how it could be facing me since I placed it facing away. As I looked at it the messages on it permeated my thought process. As I said I am going through some relationship hell right now and those messages are ones I hope to keep and find during the process of breaking up. And it wasn't until I contemplated the meaning of those messages and how they apply to me in my situation that the necklace slowly turned back to it's original position. I was not moving at all... So this has nothing to do with a psychological process because my psyche had no control over the necklace...something else did. I'm happy to receive the message I needed  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Byron said: How well do you feel you're in tune with the universe (or life or God)??...
I feel fairly in tune ... it's my life's aim to be more well-tuned to God, the universe, life. I definately feel that my personal journey involves moving in that direction. Do you believe there are no such things as coincidences??
Absolutely. I think that we're all part of a huge "jigsaw" puzzle. Everything fits together somehow. I don't feel that anything is random. Everything that is done, said or thought is part of a master plan. Do you leave yourself open to be communicated with in a variety of ways by forces larger than yourself??...If so, do you feel the "universe" is trying to guide you or help you in some way...and if so, do you still listen even if what you're "hearing" doesn't validate what you want to hear?? Or, do you filter out those "communications" from outside yourself that don't validate how you're living your life?
Yes, I ask for messages and I ask for guidance and help. Sometimes it's not forthcoming or I miss the signs. But I know it's there. I never filter out these communications. What some people see as coincidences I usually see as fate, or guidance. Me?...I have felt "in tune" with Life/The Universe/God quite deeply for a few months now...I've purposefully have made myself "listen" constantly throughout each day as to what I'm being told, and most importantly, why...Supa called it "confirmations"...I like that term (although that somewhat indicates only those things which back up our already-formed opinions on ourselves and our lives)...How has it helped? Mainly, it gives me amazing peace and rest, because my immediate instinctual reaction to anything "negative" is to say "This happened for a reason"...so much more empowering and spiritual than saying "Why is this happening to me??"...
So, are you "in tune" with Life??... I like that word "Confirmations". A lot of us are on this path right now and it's the way it's meant to be. We will assist and feed one another spiritually. And we will help to create a better world. x | |
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Raspberry said: Yes, I ask for messages and I ask for guidance and help. Sometimes it's not forthcoming or I miss the signs. But I know it's there. I never filter out these communications. What some people see as coincidences I usually see as fate, or guidance.
I think it's normal to "question" if you're really being communicated with when what you're "hearing" differs from what you think you should be hearing... Thanks for responding to me, by the way...lol   | |
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Byron said: Raspberry said: Yes, I ask for messages and I ask for guidance and help. Sometimes it's not forthcoming or I miss the signs. But I know it's there. I never filter out these communications. What some people see as coincidences I usually see as fate, or guidance.
I think it's normal to "question" if you're really being communicated with when what you're "hearing" differs from what you think you should be hearing... Thanks for responding to me, by the way...lol
I think it's important to question it. I don't believe I have many choices in life although I live it within certain parameters that were pre-defined for me. I'm here to learn lessons. Sometimes I question my beliefs, and it's at these times that I usually get answers. I may start to question my belief in the afterlife, for example, and then something happens that appears to provide me with proof. It's strange you should mention the difference between what we "hear" and what we believe we "should" be hearing at any point in our lives. I am at such a dilemma right now, today. I have asked for guidance on a subject and have received none, or missed the signs. But it's a very important thing, and I can't believe I have been left on my own to figure it out. So, right now, I'm questioning things. Am I right to believe a sign will be given, have I missed the sign, or are my beliefs misplaced. I question this all the time. Almost always I get an answer, but rarely in the way I expect it. | |
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NWF said: In Buddhism, it's called Myoho.
What's Myoho .. how is it defined? | |
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Raspberry said: NWF said: In Buddhism, it's called Myoho.
What's Myoho .. how is it defined? After doing some asking, I came across this: What is NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO? The phrase NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is taken from the title of the greatest teaching of the first historically recorded Buddha, known as Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha, who lived in India around 500 years before Christ was born. This teaching, called the Lotus Sutra, declares that all living beings, regardless of gender or intelligence (that means everyone - including you and me!), have the potential to attain Buddhahood. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha teaches that inside each one of us a universal truth known as the Buddha nature. Basing our lives on this Buddha nature enables us to enjoy absolute happiness and to act with boundless compassion. Such a state of happiness is called enlightenment. It's simply waking up to the true nature of life, realising that all things are connected, and that there is such a close relationship between each of us and our surroundings that when we change ourselves, we change the world. In the 13th Century, a Japanese priest called Nichiren (1222-1282) realised that the message of the Lotus Sutra was summed up by its title, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, which can be translated as the teaching of the lotus flower of the wonderful law. Nichiren declared that all of the benefits of the wisdom contained in the Lotus Sutra can be realized by chanting this title NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. Since the time of Nichiren many, many millions of people have followed his advice, chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO regularly as a means of improving their health, happiness, wisdom and compassion. The goal of chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is to manifest the enlightenment of the Buddha in our own lives. We can then realise our own creative potential as individuals and, in so doing, create thriving and peaceful families, work places and communities. Eventually this gradual transformation of individuals will create peace and prosperity in societies throughout the world. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: Raspberry said: NWF said: In Buddhism, it's called Myoho.
What's Myoho .. how is it defined? After doing some asking, I came across this: What is NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO? The phrase NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is taken from the title of the greatest teaching of the first historically recorded Buddha, known as Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha, who lived in India around 500 years before Christ was born. This teaching, called the Lotus Sutra, declares that all living beings, regardless of gender or intelligence (that means everyone - including you and me!), have the potential to attain Buddhahood. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha teaches that inside each one of us a universal truth known as the Buddha nature. Basing our lives on this Buddha nature enables us to enjoy absolute happiness and to act with boundless compassion. Such a state of happiness is called enlightenment. It's simply waking up to the true nature of life, realising that all things are connected, and that there is such a close relationship between each of us and our surroundings that when we change ourselves, we change the world. In the 13th Century, a Japanese priest called Nichiren (1222-1282) realised that the message of the Lotus Sutra was summed up by its title, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, which can be translated as the teaching of the lotus flower of the wonderful law. Nichiren declared that all of the benefits of the wisdom contained in the Lotus Sutra can be realized by chanting this title NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. Since the time of Nichiren many, many millions of people have followed his advice, chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO regularly as a means of improving their health, happiness, wisdom and compassion. The goal of chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is to manifest the enlightenment of the Buddha in our own lives. We can then realise our own creative potential as individuals and, in so doing, create thriving and peaceful families, work places and communities. Eventually this gradual transformation of individuals will create peace and prosperity in societies throughout the world. thank you! | |
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Raspberry said: It's strange you should mention the difference between what we "hear" and what we believe we "should" be hearing at any point in our lives. I am at such a dilemma right now, today. I have asked for guidance on a subject and have received none, or missed the signs. But it's a very important thing, and I can't believe I have been left on my own to figure it out. So, right now, I'm questioning things. Am I right to believe a sign will be given, have I missed the sign, or are my beliefs misplaced. I question this all the time. Almost always I get an answer, but rarely in the way I expect it.
I know and can relate to what you say here all too well... ...often during times like this, it's only in retrospect that you see the communication in full light. Blind faith plays an important part for me when I'm within one of these phases of my life. | |
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Aerogram said: Remember that guy that sang Like a Virgin on the American Idol trials last year?
Um...nooo...lol  | |
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Byron said: Aerogram said: Remember that guy that sang Like a Virgin on the American Idol trials last year?
Um...nooo...lol I think he's alluding to the fact that a hunk like that would actually be a virgin. Miracles do happen! 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Byron said: Aerogram said: Remember that guy that sang Like a Virgin on the American Idol trials last year?
Um...nooo...lol I think he's alluding to the fact that a hunk like that would actually be a virgin. Miracles do happen!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Byron said: Aerogram said: Remember that guy that sang Like a Virgin on the American Idol trials last year?
Um...nooo...lol I think he's alluding to the fact that a hunk like that would actually be a virgin. Miracles do happen!
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IAmTheTouch said: NWF said: Raspberry said: NWF said: In Buddhism, it's called Myoho.
What's Myoho .. how is it defined? After doing some asking, I came across this: What is NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO? The phrase NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is taken from the title of the greatest teaching of the first historically recorded Buddha, known as Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha, who lived in India around 500 years before Christ was born. This teaching, called the Lotus Sutra, declares that all living beings, regardless of gender or intelligence (that means everyone - including you and me!), have the potential to attain Buddhahood. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha teaches that inside each one of us a universal truth known as the Buddha nature. Basing our lives on this Buddha nature enables us to enjoy absolute happiness and to act with boundless compassion. Such a state of happiness is called enlightenment. It's simply waking up to the true nature of life, realising that all things are connected, and that there is such a close relationship between each of us and our surroundings that when we change ourselves, we change the world. In the 13th Century, a Japanese priest called Nichiren (1222-1282) realised that the message of the Lotus Sutra was summed up by its title, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, which can be translated as the teaching of the lotus flower of the wonderful law. Nichiren declared that all of the benefits of the wisdom contained in the Lotus Sutra can be realized by chanting this title NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. Since the time of Nichiren many, many millions of people have followed his advice, chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO regularly as a means of improving their health, happiness, wisdom and compassion. The goal of chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is to manifest the enlightenment of the Buddha in our own lives. We can then realise our own creative potential as individuals and, in so doing, create thriving and peaceful families, work places and communities. Eventually this gradual transformation of individuals will create peace and prosperity in societies throughout the world. thank you! yes, I want to say thank you too ... | |
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I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than our one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. One month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does he interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. rant edit [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 19:34:13 PST 2004 by bkw] When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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Raspberry said: IAmTheTouch said: NWF said: Raspberry said: NWF said: In Buddhism, it's called Myoho.
What's Myoho .. how is it defined? After doing some asking, I came across this: What is NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO? The phrase NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is taken from the title of the greatest teaching of the first historically recorded Buddha, known as Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni Buddha, who lived in India around 500 years before Christ was born. This teaching, called the Lotus Sutra, declares that all living beings, regardless of gender or intelligence (that means everyone - including you and me!), have the potential to attain Buddhahood. In the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni Buddha teaches that inside each one of us a universal truth known as the Buddha nature. Basing our lives on this Buddha nature enables us to enjoy absolute happiness and to act with boundless compassion. Such a state of happiness is called enlightenment. It's simply waking up to the true nature of life, realising that all things are connected, and that there is such a close relationship between each of us and our surroundings that when we change ourselves, we change the world. In the 13th Century, a Japanese priest called Nichiren (1222-1282) realised that the message of the Lotus Sutra was summed up by its title, NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO, which can be translated as the teaching of the lotus flower of the wonderful law. Nichiren declared that all of the benefits of the wisdom contained in the Lotus Sutra can be realized by chanting this title NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO. Since the time of Nichiren many, many millions of people have followed his advice, chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO regularly as a means of improving their health, happiness, wisdom and compassion. The goal of chanting NAM-MYOHO-RENGE-KYO is to manifest the enlightenment of the Buddha in our own lives. We can then realise our own creative potential as individuals and, in so doing, create thriving and peaceful families, work places and communities. Eventually this gradual transformation of individuals will create peace and prosperity in societies throughout the world. thank you! yes, I want to say thank you too ...  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than I one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. one month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does his interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. Not wanting this to turn into a religious debate, only because I don't want this thread transported over to the Propoganda & Rhetoric forum (heh)...but look over there for a thread started in honor of your post, bkw..lol | |
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Byron said: bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than I one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. one month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does his interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. Not wanting this to turn into a religious debate, only because I don't want this thread transported over to the Propoganda & Rhetoric forum (heh)...but look over there for a thread started in honor of your post, bkw..lol 
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bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than our one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. One month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does he interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. rant edit [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 19:34:13 PST 2004 by bkw] I'm not a fan of the "things happen for a reason" line of thinking, however IMO there simply has to be more than just base physical existence. There is no rational explanation for the Blueberries and Cream or the Lockness monster stories I told... Just MO . [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 19:38:57 PST 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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bkw said: Byron said: bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than I one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. one month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does his interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. Not wanting this to turn into a religious debate, only because I don't want this thread transported over to the Propoganda & Rhetoric forum (heh)...but look over there for a thread started in honor of your post, bkw..lol
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I'm not a fan of the "things happen for a reason" line of thinking, however IMO there simply has to be more than just base physical existence. There is no rational explanation for the Blueberries and Cream of the Lockness monster stories I told... Just MO yeah, I think I took the thread off in a different tangent.
I tend to think it is coincidence but I may be wrong. I wish i could have some psychic powers though When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than our one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. One month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does he interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. rant edit [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 19:34:13 PST 2004 by bkw] Idio... huhn? 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I'm not a fan of the "things happen for a reason" line of thinking, however IMO there simply has to be more than just base physical existence. There is no rational explanation for the Blueberries and Cream or the Lockness monster stories I told... Just MO
Heard this on the radio the other morning... Apparently some elderly woman had died, from natural causes, I believe (if I remembered correctly)...she just collapsed at home and died. I didn't hear the very beginning of the story...
Anyway...the family member (her husband, maybe) who was with her at the time of death, said the very last seconds of her life, she stopped and said "Oh..! I understand now.."...then immediately passed on. The question raised on the radio was, did she--right at the moment of death--gain some real insight into the truth and meaning of life the split second hers ended?? (meaning, from a source outside herself)...or was it just the mutterings of someone who was about to die, with no meaning or value behind it whatsoever? Of course, we'll never know in her specific case...but it reminded me of a story my mom told me about my sister Debbie right before she passed away...Debbie apparently, in the last few days of her life, kept talking to a "Paul"...not a lot, but enough for my mom and Debbie's husband to comment on it. They chalked it up to the morphine or whatever the doctors had her on at the time...but I guess seconds before Debbie finally did pass on, she said "Hi, Paul..!" in a very calm and happy voice...it helped give my mom peace of mind to remember how she said it. She wondered if "something" or "someone" was being "seen" by Debbie in her last hours...she loved believing that it was the case. I had no reason to tell her otherwise... | |
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Byron said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I'm not a fan of the "things happen for a reason" line of thinking, however IMO there simply has to be more than just base physical existence. There is no rational explanation for the Blueberries and Cream or the Lockness monster stories I told... Just MO
Heard this on the radio the other morning... Apparently some elderly woman had died, from natural causes, I believe (if I remembered correctly)...she just collapsed at home and died. I didn't hear the very beginning of the story...
Anyway...the family member (her husband, maybe) who was with her at the time of death, said the very last seconds of her life, she stopped and said "Oh..! I understand now.."...then immediately passed on. The question raised on the radio was, did she--right at the moment of death--gain some real insight into the truth and meaning of life the split second hers ended?? (meaning, from a source outside herself)...or was it just the mutterings of someone who was about to die, with no meaning or value behind it whatsoever? Of course, we'll never know in her specific case...but it reminded me of a story my mom told me about my sister Debbie right before she passed away...Debbie apparently, in the last few days of her life, kept talking to a "Paul"...not a lot, but enough for my mom and Debbie's husband to comment on it. They chalked it up to the morphine or whatever the doctors had her on at the time...but I guess seconds before Debbie finally did pass on, she said "Hi, Paul..!" in a very calm and happy voice...it helped give my mom peace of mind to remember how she said it. She wondered if "something" or "someone" was being "seen" by Debbie in her last hours...she loved believing that it was the case. I had no reason to tell her otherwise... Which reminds me of the lyrics to one of the songs you have on "Everything in it's Right Place" Lightning Crashes lightning crashes, a new mother cries her placenta falls to the floor the angel opens her eyes the confusion sets in before the doctor can even close the door . lightning crashes, an old mother dies her intentions fall to the floor the angel closes her eyes the confusion that was hers belongs now, to the baby down the hall . oh now feel it comin' back again like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind forces pullin' from the center of the earth again I can feel it. . lightning crashes, a new mother cries this moment she's been waiting for the angel opens her eyes pale blue colored iris, presents the circle and puts the glory out to hide, hide AWESOME! :W00T: 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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2the9s said: bkw said: I cannot for the life of me see any evidence of a greater power at work or a master plan. I can see no evidence of it at all.
Nature and evolution governs everything. Chance, chaos and coincidences run amock and collide all the time. Random things occur all the time, horrible things, for no good reeason that i can see or fathom. Just chance. I feel people like the crutch of a higher power to lean on, to make us feel that we are serving a purpose other than our one and only true purpose, survival of the species. We have developed such an intelligence that we can not accept that there is unlikely to be any more to it. We want to believe we all go to heaven and bad people go to hell. We like to think that all our dead friends are living happily in "heaven" and not rotting underground. The benevolent God thing just doesn't cut it with me. One month ago an out of control elderly driver some how ploughed her car into a childcare centre critically injuring 2 young girls (2-3 years old). They were stuck under the car for hours in great pain eventually having limbs amputated. They are both still fighting for their lives at the moment. What greater good could this have served? What still amazed me when seeing one of the parents on tv last night is that he is still saying that the fate of his daughter is in Gods hands. WTF? So does God make the incident happen for some unknown reason so after all this pain and anguish he'll say "Ok, that's enough mow, i'll save her". Or does God just let this happen and only save people later cos they pray to him for help. Does he interfere or not? You cant have it both ways surely? My opinion is that it all happened due to chaos and chance. There is no higher power. We need to enjoy our lives in the knowledge that one is all we are ever going to get. Lets make our lives as good for others in our species as we possibly can. Try not to waste too much of it. rant edit [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 19:34:13 PST 2004 by bkw] Idio... huhn?
Whoa, I disagree with some things you say, but damn that was well expressed! You should get sick more often!
Sometimes my brain works, spelling errors aside.
I hope I am wrong by the way, I would love to live on forever in heaven with my family and friends. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: 2the9s said: Idio... huhn?
Whoa, I disagree with some things you say, but damn that was well expressed! You should get sick more often!
Sometimes my brain works, spelling errors aside.
I hope I am wrong by the way, I would love to live on forever in heaven with my family and friends. Eiher way, we're going drinking! | |
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2the9s said: bkw said: 2the9s said: Idio... huhn?
Whoa, I disagree with some things you say, but damn that was well expressed! You should get sick more often!
Sometimes my brain works, spelling errors aside.
I hope I am wrong by the way, I would love to live on forever in heaven with my family and friends. Eiher way, we're going drinking! You betcha! When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Which reminds me of the lyrics to one of the songs you have on "Everything in it's Right Place" Lightning Crashes lightning crashes, a new mother cries her placenta falls to the floor the angel opens her eyes the confusion sets in before the doctor can even close the door . lightning crashes, an old mother dies her intentions fall to the floor the angel closes her eyes the confusion that was hers belongs now, to the baby down the hall . oh now feel it comin' back again like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind forces pullin' from the center of the earth again I can feel it. . lightning crashes, a new mother cries this moment she's been waiting for the angel opens her eyes pale blue colored iris, presents the circle and puts the glory out to hide, hide AWESOME! :W00T: I'm gonna have to go listen to that now... | |
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I am never in tune with stuff...  Ehh such is life. | |
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