Well, I finally saw this film yesterday and I thought it was great, however, there are some flaws in the film that could have been handled better.

1. I think the CGI went haywire in the seen on Mt Doom near the end. All the CGI til that point had been pretty good but it then went crappy looking. What happened? (minor problem overall).

2. There is no question that Peter Jackson just couldnt let go of the characters. It had about 5-6 endings and dragged the last little bit. Enough already! After Aragorn was appointed King etc I believe they should have had a brief summary of what happened to the others narrated by Gadriel (with shots of the Hobbits back at the shire etc).

3. Why in the hell did Frodo leave with the others in that ship in the end? It is never properly explained in the movie. I actually found out the reason by looking it up on the internet when i got home.

4. The acting "Lord" of Gondor (cant remember his name) was as mad as a snake but there was no explanation as to why he acted so goofy.

5. The were alot of loose endings in terms of the outcomes for certain pivital characters. What happened to Forimir and Eowen (sp?), Saruman, wormtongue etc?


Dont get me wrong, the movie was great, but i'd like to sit Peter Jackson down and do some editing etc to clean some things up. I believe it will win Best Film at the Oscars as a collective reward for all three films (deservedly too).

What do others think about the above?


[This message was edited Sun Jan 11 16:25:12 PST 2004 by bkw]

bkw said:

so what was the reason?

3 words:
DVD Special Edition

bananacologne said:

Exactly. This seems to be the route Jackson has taken to tie up loose ends on the first two flicks.

bananacologne said:

NOVEMBER!

Marrk said:

I KNOW!!! :BAWL:

DVD director's cut

and i think the reason frodo had to leave with the elvish folk and is because the ask of bearing the ring 'stetched him too thin' like the scene at the end where he and sam and merry and pippin were sitting at the bar. everyone else was having a great time but the four of them were sitting more or less quietly. they'd been there, done that and seen it all. and for frodo he'd been to hell inside and out and it burdened his soul...

and i have another thing to add

how comes FRODO got stabbed by the spider, when he is wearing tht metal vest, when the elves said, "nothing can get through it"


they bulls up

andykeen said:

Well Spotted!

see im not just a pretty face

I haven't seen the third movie yet, so I can't really chime in, but...

bkw said:

I think the CG work in the films was incredible with one exception (and I'll be called a commie): Gollum. I know TONS of work went into plotting his movement and, granted, he's far better than similar characters from other film franchises, but he just came off... well... "toyish" to me.



I've heard this complaint from others as well. And I bet it's a little worse in the DVD director's edit. I think so many people have been invested in this trilogy that it probably was tough to let go of this world. I've heard rumors of a HOBBIT prequel being considered, and Jackson says he'll go for it if given the opportunity. I hope they stop, though. I think in cases of great accomplishments like this, less is often more.
[This message was edited Sun Jan 11 15:21:06 PST 2004 by Lammastide]

Marrk said:

They are sailing to the "undieing lands" which have a name that i have forgotten. It is a place removed from Middle Earth where only Elves and Wizzards can go (i.e immortals). However, ring bearers are also allowed to go there, hence Bilbo and Frodo could go with them.

It seems Frodo had to go because he was restless, after all he had been through etc, plus his wounds were still giving him trouble.

bananacologne said:

Maybe so, but shouldnt the film itself be complete without the need to purchase a special DVD?

Most of my issues could have been fixed simply with no much effect on running time.

Marrk said:

Rumour has it that it could be earlier for this addition. The theatrical release dvd is due for May 04 so the SE may also come sooner.

andykeen said:

Yes, that is a fairly major flaw methinks. I should have mentioned that.

The excuse given by the fans is that the metal vest sagged a little around the chest area (where the neckline is) and that allowed the spider to stab him. (you see when he is naked that the wound is quite high on the right side of his chest).

Sounds like a pretty useless vest though!

Idiot.

Why was there no IKEA ad thrown in there becasue them hobbits were gay as hell...you cant tell me they werent. Frodo and Sam...Frodo wanted ot kiss Sam a few times it looked like..french kiss, kiss..like a Louis and Armand...and all of them on that frilly bed at the end etc.

I thought is was shit...but who am I to say, I am no movie critic(that they will listen to anyway)

XxAxX said:

yes, I like that mention...

bkw, that was the first question I asked my nephew when Frodo left with the rest in the end... took some serious thinking. ~wink~

I did wonder though.

rdhull said:

It has actually been widely speculated that they are gay. They sure acted pretty lovey dovey in an althom and 2the9s sort of way.

bkw said:

preach it...

I agree basically with what bkw said. It was a great movie
but it did contain a few small problems.

I agree that the ending was a little drawn out for a
theatrical release. It would have been better, in my opinion,
to cut almost directly to the Grey Havens after Aragorn's
coronation, and end the movie there. The extended endings
will work just fine on the extended DVD though.

It's a shame that the Saruman scene was cut completely, it
would have been nice to have included at least some of it
just to wrap up his storyline properly.

It would also have been beneficial to show the revelation
of why Denethor had gone so mad, as it would have tied in
quite well with Pippin's encounter with the Palantir at the
start of the movie.

Of course all these issues are resolved on the extended DVD
cut of the movie (which is about 90% completed already).

BorisFishpaw said:

Yeah, i read that he had his own Palantir, which hould then make sense about his madness. Surely, 20 seconds of film of him using it would have done the trick in explaining his condition?

bkw said:

Something about the last half of that sentence made me giggle like a girl.

rdhull said:

Inspired rant, sir!

Number23 said:

Number23 said:

And you cant tell me that Gibli didnt want a piece of that Legolas booty!

bkw said:

bkw said:

Exactly, it would show how Denethor knew so much about what
was going on before Gandalf arrived. It would also tie in
with how Sauron had influenced Saruman in the first movie
by showing him that there was no hope in fighting against
him. With Saruman it made him think he could side with
Sauron (with a view to taking the ring for himself and
usurping Sauron himself). Whereas with Denethor it made him
despair to the point of madness, depression and suicide.

BorisFishpaw said:

Exactly!