I want the extended cut NOW Goddammit!!!

pfft.. November indeed! (though I think there's a good chance
it could get released earlier as they're not having to work
on the next movie this time).

I just hope the extended version includes the books version of what happens when the Hobbits get back to The Shire!

bkw said:

Agree!
By this point my bum was beyond sore...it had gone numb!

bkw said:

Shit I dont blame the little guy...Legalos is finnne lol

true the ending sucked, but thts how the book ended, so jackson had to finish it, there was no other way of ending it

daned said:

I don't think so, as far as I'm aware they never filmed
'The Scouring of the Shire' part.

BorisFishpaw said:

Aw, wazz!


BTW - FOF worked on LOTR. He's lined up to work again for PJ on King Kong and there is vague talk of The Hobbit afterwards

BorisFishpaw said:

I read an interview from Peter Jackson who confirmed that they never filmed that. He considered to be too bleak for the movie and I actually agree with him on that.

rdhull said:

If that's true, I'll take Pippen. Billy Boyd has been voted among the Top 2 most eligible bachelors in Scotland for the past two years... and to top it all off, we now find out the little nerdsexy muhfuh can sing too!?!? Now THAT'S what I'm talking 'bout!

Org APB: If anyone sees that hobbit, tell him uncle Lamma's got another Ent for him to climb.

Lammastide said:

Man, that hobbit has a voice...

I will take Viggo Mortensen anytime, anyplace..

rdhull said:

Sorry, I have issues with the whole "Hobbits were gay" thing. I personally thought it was nice that they showed two men who cared so deeply for each other, and were totally loyal to each other. Why is it that our soceity always assumes that when men care for each other they are gay?

Besides, they weren't gay, They were British.

1. I think the CGI went haywire in the seen on Mt Doom near the end. All the CGI til that point had been pretty good but it then went crappy looking. What happened? (minor problem overall).

Agreed. Not all of it looked perfect, but I'm willing to let these things slide when the movie is a s good as this one

2. There is no question that Peter Jackson just couldnt let go of the characters. It had about 5-6 endings and dragged the last little bit. Enough already! After Aragorn was appointed King etc I believe they should have had a brief summary of what happened to the others narrated by Gadriel (with shots of the Hobbits back at the shire etc).

Disagree. I think when you take it in the context of all three films, it was necessary to have all the loose ends wrapped up. At this point, we had all invested so much emotion in these characters that it was good to see the paths that they took. At least it wasn't like the Matrix trilogy, with about a dozen plot threads never even remotely explained

3. Why in the hell did Frodo leave with the others in that ship in the end? It is never properly explained in the movie. I actually found out the reason by looking it up on the internet when i got home.

I think Frodo realised he could never go back to his previous life. That he was forever scarred by the experience of being the Ringbearer, and so the Shire no longer held anything for him. He sails away in the end to start a new life with those who can understand the complexity of his experiences. By going to the Undying lands with the Elves, Frodo would be in good company


4. The acting "Lord" of Gondor (cant remember his name) was as mad as a snake but there was no explanation as to why he acted so goofy.

He basically cracked under the pressure, as well as the grief of having lost two sons (Baromir and Faramir). Although Faramir hadn't died, he thinks he has, and he blames himself (he treated Faramir like shit. For more of the backstory, see the Two Towers Special Edition).

5. The were alot of loose endings in terms of the outcomes for certain pivital characters. What happened to Forimir and Eowen (sp?), Saruman, wormtongue etc?


Yes, there were a few, but none too major (would you have preferred even MORE endings? That was really the only way to show even more). I think the audience had a pretty good idea that Faramir and Eowyn wound up together, and that the Ents took care of Saruman and Grima (I know for a fact that all the Saruman/Grima scenes will be restored in the special edition).


Dont get me wrong, the movie was great, but i'd like to sit Peter Jackson down and do some editing etc to clean some things up. I believe it will win Best Film at the Oscars as a collective reward for all three films (deservedly too).

Personally, I thought the film was fantastic. Sure, it had a few flaws, but I doubt you could find a 3 1/2 hour film that is the conclusion to a trilogy that doesn't have one or two. To me, most of the complaints I had about the film are just plain nitpicky.

rdhull said:

JediMaster said:

Co-sign on that one JediMaster!

But I did think the end was a bit of a drag

JediMaster said:

If you payed attention you could have known Frodo was dieing from being stabbet by that ringwrate. But he would live if he'd be going to the Undying lands.

If you quote me, please take out any spelling mistakes please
[This message was edited Mon Jan 12 12:34:00 PST 2004 by Whateva]

Whateva said:

I agree. But I don't think that was Frodo's only motivation. I think he primarily saw no reason to continue living amongst his Hobbit kin, since he no longer truly related to them. I'm sure the chance to not die by the Ring Wraith wound was a factor, but I don't think that was all of it. The wound would have eventually killed him, but not immediately.

Of course, the wound is symbolic of his lost innocence, now isn't it? The two reasons are intertwined in this regard.

JediMaster said:

Well, I've just finished reading the book and my take on it was that Gandalf died fighting the Balrog and Frodo died on Weathertop (although in the book, it's more implied that he died when Shelob stung him) and that they were living on borrowed time and "The Undying Lands" are the afterlife.

Tolkien kind of hints that Middle Earth is our Earth in the Middle Ages, hence the Elves all leaving it. As for The Hobbits, I think they all got eaten by Wolves before record began.

Please ignore that last sentance.

I have a question... Why was it necessary for the elves to evacuate Middle Earth even after the ring was destroyed? Is that just something that they cyclically did anyway?

Lammastide said:

I think that many of them had left before the ring was destroyed so maybe most of them had already gone?

I suppose they could came back but why would they if the undying lands are like paradise or something?

I dont really know but that is my theory.

As someone else pointed out to me:

why couldn't the eagles just fly frodo en the other fella to that volcano, since they had no problem picking them up there in the midst of lava and mediocre CGI.

One other thing: what really bothered me in the 2nd movie was a scene they show quite often on TV and such: when the whole gang leaves that giant cave they have been in for 30 mins (one of the better parts of the 3 movies combined) they walk over some white rocks. All this is filmed in some fly-by helicopter shot. Anyway, it's obviously the actors were just cut-and-paste on top of the rocks, and they wiggled a bit with the image to make it seem as if they walk, but it looks really silly and u can easily tell, even on a crappy tv screen. The same thing actually happened in the 3th installement (although less notable) when there's a horse riding over a really small but long bridge (i can't rmmbr the exact scene).
With all great special effects in these movies, how can there b fuck-ups like that?

I don't remember the 'walking over some white rocks' bit
you mention, but as far as I can remember, all the 'walking
over rolling landscapes' bits in the movies were done for
real. With the actors flown into remote locations and then
filmed with flybys.

The only bit I recall that's similar to what you describe
was in the first movie when the exit from the mines of Moria
after Gandalf had apparently fallen to his doom. And that
scene was filmed for real on a mountainside, with the only
CGI element being the giant doorway into Moria.

SpcMs said:

I believe it is because Frodo and Sam crept under the guard of Sauran because they are so small whereas if they were flying in on giant eagles they would be spotted.

BorisFishpaw said:

Right! That's the one!!! It's in the first movie allright, my mistake. Watch it again, they are basically 'free-walking' over the rocks, it's pretty silly. No way that was filmed on location.

SpcMs said:

I just went and watched that scene, and yes, I was wrong.
That particular shot uses CGI actors (as does a few of the
long shots in the mines of Moria). But I completely disagree
that they're 'free-walking'. I watched it carefully, and
every footfall of all the characters is rooted perfectly
without any drift or wobble. The only critism of this shot
I could see was that their shadows are more prominent than
they should be in that light.

Though that shot did remind me that there definitely was
a dodgy similar shot in Return Of The King when Frodo runs
into the entrance to the Crack Of Doom. In that shot there
definitely IS a little wobble and some very noticeable
drift where he's moving faster than his legs are actually
carrying him.

BorisFishpaw said:

That is the shot that was particularly noticeable to me and led to my comment about the poor CGI at that part of the film. As I said though, it is only a minor criticism and does not detract fom the film.

JediMaster said:[quote]

rdhull said:

I dont know why society does..but when I see two men or hobbits and at least one of them appears to have lust in their eyes for the other, that's when I think they are gay or bi etc. Get it right and dont assume I think two men cant care about each other without being gay.

rdhull said:[quote]

JediMaster said:

you're still up?

thought it sucked

frodo and sam shoulda got it on

you know they wanted to

rdhull said:[quote]

JediMaster said:

I never said YOU specifically thought that. I said society did. You're not even remotely the first person who's said this (although, you were the most humorous with your "Ikea" comment). Anyway, I just disagree that they had "lust in their eyes", that's all.

bkw said:

Yes. The Eagles come to Sam And Frodo's aid AFTER the fall of Sauron. If they had tried to fly into Mordor prior to that, they would have been torn apart by all the nasties (Orcs and Urekie with their arrows, the Ringwraiths on their dragon steeds, etc) and Sauron would have had a chance to retake the ring. By sending two little hobbits into the mountain, they stood a chance of sneaking past all the bad varmits, and avoiding the detection of the Eye.