Here's the thing.I know a lot of folks who believe Sam Raimi's Spider-Man to be the greatest superhero film since Donner's Superman,but...it just isn't.Don't get me wrong,there's some good stuff there,but overall it just didn't deliver.For one,the Green Goblin was a joke,both the costume and Dafoe's performance(and I like most of his work),but also the psuedo hybrid of MJ/Gwen Stacey storyline.The Goblin /GS story should have been done the right way,and saved for a sequel,cuz it really stands alone and would suffer if it was squeezed in with an origin story.
Raimi just missed the mark on so many wonderful things that he could have done. Some ,no doubt, may be asking "such as?"Which brings me to James Cameron's original script treatment.

Besides being a more daring and visual storyteller than Sam,his story was perfect.I remember first reading it back in 1999,and it blew me away.I was thinking if he does this,it might possibly be the best superhero adaptation ever.i recently reread it the other day,and I still feel the same way 5 years later.It's all there,and more.I can't do it justice by siting examples,so if you're interested in seeing what SPIDER-MAN should have been,you can check out at http://www.movie-page.com...cripts.htm

errr... I just watch the one with Kirsten Dunst!

KAMILLE said:

that's another thing,Dunst is NOT MJ.Poor casting.This wouldn't have worked,but Angelina Jolie is a dead ringer for John Romita's rendition of MJ.

I guess Sam had a different vision than James Cameron does.. James cameron has done some wonderful vibrant films.. Titanic, Terminator., the Abyss.. I dont know if Spiderman would of done him justice..

I havne't been a huge comic book or superhero fan.. but i saw the movie and it was just..

I agree the Green Goblin was a bit laughable!

silentflute said:

Ever heard 'Hit from the bong' by Cypress hill?

silentflute said:

Angelina Jolie...

BabyCakes said:

Isn't she a bit old for MJ?

(by which I mean Mary Jane, not isn't she a bit old for Michael Jackson!)
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KAMILLE said:

that is true.. but i think he meant looks wise.. physically..
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<--- Still praying for James Cameron to shoot "Atlas Shrugged."

BabyCakes said:

exactly babe.

teller said:

?

Cameron would have a nuclear explosion

silentflute said:

I got to be honest, I know very little about Marvel comics. I played the Spider man Mega drive game so I know about 6 of the villans, and I saw the new film cos I just love KD.

What are you basing the Angelina Jolie thing on? Is there an original comic, or book or something? What came first?
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KAMILLE said:

The comic came first.

rdhull said:

if u have the time check out the treatment.

silentflute said:

Out of intrested. How rare is the very first issue, and how much is it worth?

I really like the Batman films, I don't supose U have the same info for the first Batman comic do you?

BabyCakes said:[quote]I guess Sam had a different vision than James Cameron does.. James cameron has done some wonderful vibrant films.. Titanic, Terminator., the Abyss.. I dont know if Spiderman would of done him justice..

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Are you kiddin?Jim 's been a Spidey fan since he was a kid.He was dyin to do this film!he would have made it more than average.

silentflute said:[quote]BabyCakes said:[quote]I guess Sam had a different vision than James Cameron does.. James cameron has done some wonderful vibrant films.. Titanic, Terminator., the Abyss.. I dont know if Spiderman would of done him justice..




So what.. was his price too high ?? why didn't he do it then?

silentflute said:

It would of been intresting to say the leaste!

KAMILLE said:

hated the Batman films .thought they were garbage.Am excited about the new Chri nolan one though.

I suggest a comic book price guide for your enquiries

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BabyCakes said:

No what happened was,there was alawsuit over which studio had film rights over the Spider-Man character.It took a long time in court and by the time it was settled,Jim had moved on and was no longer feelin it.Sucks.

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silentflute said:

If he was such a huge spiderman fan.. i woudl think he would still be feelin it.. Too bad for him.. if thats the case, it could of made him some more money!

silentflute said:

Fair enough.

I loved the Tim Burton ones. The others SUCKED!

I remember when all this was goin' on. Cameron had already done Titanic and I was AMPED about the possibility of him doing Spidey simply because of his innovations in special effects. He'd said on Howard Stern that he already had the script written and that he was considering Leo DiCaprio for the lead role. All in all, I don't think Sam did a bad job, but I hope at some point we get to see Venom. He's probably my favorite Spidey villain.

OdysseyMiles said:

Yeah..can you imagine Venom in Cameron's hands lol?Actually he had Sandman in his treatment and when i was reading it I was having T2 flashbacks.

OdysseyMiles said:

I like Venom and Kingpin, BUT FUCK LEO DICAPRIO!

KAMILLE said:

I gotta say, I think Tobey Maguire was a great choice for Peter Parker. I wasn't feelin' Leo either.

OdysseyMiles said:

I can't actually picture anyone else doing it.

KAMILLE said:

The first Batman Comic Book is Detective Comics #27, May 1939. A Very Fine to Near Mint copy goes for about $450,000. there are only about 5 of them that survived. The next vintage Batman book is Batman #1, which was the Spring of 1940 or 1942 (cant remember off the top of my head). A VF to NM goes for about $250,000.

Before the first Batman movie came out in '89, I tried to get my dad to buy a Batman #1 for $5,000 as an investment. it was worth about $4,500 then. He now regrets that decision.

AtlantaHatGuy said:

The first Spiderman comic is Amazing Fantasy #15. Since it came out in the 1960's there are more copies around than the original Batman or Superman books. You can pick up one of these for about $5,000.