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AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: i hear Catwoman is being re-shot and/or delayed, so that it doesn't fuck up the momentum of the new wave of DC movies before any of them get to the screen.
True. WB's execs are having Batman & Robin flashbacks because of the film, and are thinking of delaying it until after the new Bat flick is released. They don't want this pile of cat turds to fuck up the franchise for another seven years. as a die-hard True-Believin' Marvel Zombie, i'm hoping that it does 
Batman and Superman movies were cool n stuff... but that was only because there weren't any Spiderman or Hulk or X-Men movies being made. sorry, don't need the void filled anymore Y'know, when I was a kid I was a total Marvel Zombie as well. Then the nineties hit, and Marvel went through their god-awful period. During that time I discovered a lot of the great characters that DC has in their stable. eh... i dunno. DC was pretty crap at the same time. they DID have better quality books more frequently, but when they were bad (and they usually were) they were even worse than Marvel. in fact, they were still doing mega-crossovers even just a year ago. eek! Well, I agree somewhat. DC had all the Vertigo stuff at that time, and that goes a long way with me. Still, I got fed up with Marvel at the time because every fucking book was holo-foiled, bagged with twelve different covers and NO STORY!!!I think I probably noticed it more with Marvel, because it was such a drastic decline in quality. I hated seeing the characters I loved pimped-out in such a disgraceful manner. agreed. unfortunately, DC seems to be on a one-company crusade to bring the variant holo-foil craze back, if you look at the books they've had on the shelves for the last 6 months  Totally disagree. DC has some incredible books on the shelves right now! Teen Titans, The Outsiders, Green Arrow and Fallen Angel lead the pack, with terrific stuff going on in the core books (Wonder Woman is the best its EVER been, thanks to Wolverine write Greg Rucka, and Flash just blows my mind! JLA is rockin' pretty hard as well, and the 100 Bulletts team is banging out an incredible Batman story). I can't think of anything DC has done in the last several years that really falls into this category. The last thing I remember was the whole Our Worlds At War crossover, and even that was cool, because you didn't have to read all the books to get what was going on (besides, Marvel had their atrocious Maximum Security crossover at the same time). 
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silentflute said: JediMaster said: silentflute said: Hey jedi,did u ever read THE QUESTION (dennis Oneil/denys cowan run)?If so,did u dig it?
No, but I've always heard great things about it. I know the character was created by Steve Ditko, so it had a strong Objectivist angle to it. Did the O'Neil/Cowan run stay consistent with that, or did it shy away? I always thought the idea of a super-hero who follows Ayn Rand to be a rather interesting one. Strange I've enver read it. ___ [This message was edited Tue Jan 6 13:07:33 PST 2004 by JediMaster] It was pretty consistent with what ditko was doing but also heavy on Zen and meditating onthe nature of violence.Kinda along the same lines of the doug moench /mike zeck MASTER OF KUNG FU ,which is one of my all time favs. COOL! I LOOOVE Master Of Kung Fu!! Shang Chi was awesome!!! THAT'S a comic I would love to see made into a movie, especially if it was based on this run!
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daned said: AaronAlmighty said: eh... i dunno. DC was pretty crap at the same time [the 90's - Daned]. they DID have better quality books more frequently, but when they were bad (and they usually were) they were even worse than Marvel. in fact, they were still doing mega-crossovers even just a year ago. eek!
What the fucking fuck? The 90's were my golden age of comics. Neil Gaiman's "Sandman", Garth Ennis's run on "Hellblazer" and all that over wild Vertigo stuff. Vertigo was part of DC. Over in DC mainstream, you had Grant Morrison doing "Justice League" and Garth Ennis doing "Hitman"! Totally agree with all of your choices. I think Aaron was mainly talking about the mainstream books DC had in the early 90s (Death Of Superman, Knightfall and all that crap). The last half of the 90s they had some great stuff.
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AaronAlmighty said: Sandman and Hellblazer are the good things I was talking about. Sandman is still one of the best comics EVER. As good as Morrison is, his JL was a mess. Cannot go with ya on that one. I loved all of his JLA storylines. He's since topped himself with his run on New X Men, but the JLA stuff is primo! I've yet to see what the big deal about Ennis is... He's hit or miss. His run on the aforementioned Hellblazer is terrific, as well as his stuff on Punisher and Hitman. I really enjoyed Preacher, until it had that totally fucking cornball ending. That ruined it for me. the 90's were a pretty ugly time for comic books. Well, I think that was true of the first half, but not so much with the latter half. When Marvel hired Joe Quesdada, I really think that began a renaissance of creativity that hadn't been seen since the mid-eighties. _____ [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 13:02:24 PST 2004 by JediMaster]
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JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: i hear Catwoman is being re-shot and/or delayed, so that it doesn't fuck up the momentum of the new wave of DC movies before any of them get to the screen.
True. WB's execs are having Batman & Robin flashbacks because of the film, and are thinking of delaying it until after the new Bat flick is released. They don't want this pile of cat turds to fuck up the franchise for another seven years. as a die-hard True-Believin' Marvel Zombie, i'm hoping that it does
Batman and Superman movies were cool n stuff... but that was only because there weren't any Spiderman or Hulk or X-Men movies being made. sorry, don't need the void filled anymore Y'know, when I was a kid I was a total Marvel Zombie as well. Then the nineties hit, and Marvel went through their god-awful period. During that time I discovered a lot of the great characters that DC has in their stable. eh... i dunno. DC was pretty crap at the same time. they DID have better quality books more frequently, but when they were bad (and they usually were) they were even worse than Marvel. in fact, they were still doing mega-crossovers even just a year ago. eek! Well, I agree somewhat. DC had all the Vertigo stuff at that time, and that goes a long way with me. Still, I got fed up with Marvel at the time because every fucking book was holo-foiled, bagged with twelve different covers and NO STORY!!!I think I probably noticed it more with Marvel, because it was such a drastic decline in quality. I hated seeing the characters I loved pimped-out in such a disgraceful manner. agreed. unfortunately, DC seems to be on a one-company crusade to bring the variant holo-foil craze back, if you look at the books they've had on the shelves for the last 6 months Totally disagree. DC has some incredible books on the shelves right now! Teen Titans, The Outsiders, Green Arrow and Fallen Angel lead the pack, with terrific stuff going on in the core books (Wonder Woman is the best its EVER been, thanks to Wolverine write Greg Rucka, and Flash just blows my mind! JLA is rockin' pretty hard as well, and the 100 Bulletts team is banging out an incredible Batman story). I can't think of anything DC has done in the last several years that really falls into this category. The last thing I remember was the whole Our Worlds At War crossover, and even that was cool, because you didn't have to read all the books to get what was going on (besides, Marvel had their atrocious Maximum Security crossover at the same time). well, actually, i was talking about the variant covers and the die-cut, holographic, foil cover thing. but... Maximum Security was only one line-wide crossover (and voluntary at that) since... ummm... what was the last one before that... Onslaught/Heroes Reborn... DC was having 2 a year in the late 90's and even up to a year ago. "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK" | |
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JediMaster said:[quote] AaronAlmighty said: Sandman and Hellblazer are the good things I was talking about. Sandman is still one of the best comics EVER. of course. not something i return to much, and they're really beating it to death with all of the spin-off miniseries all the time, but still... As good as Morrison is, his JL was a mess.
Cannot go with ya on that one. I loved all of his JLA storylines. He's since topped himself with his run on New X Men, but the JLA stuff is primo! his New X-Men is the fully realized version of what he was trying to do on JLA, by taking well establised characters and mixing things up a little (or a lot). the thing with his JLA is that you get the sense that he had a lot of ideas he wanted to talk about, with no regard to what book he was actually writing, and the plots were secondary (or even non-existent) to the general "weirdness" factor that he likes to exhibit. with New X-Men, he's balanced that with telling actual stories that make actual sense (or a rough approximation of "making sense" ... this is Morrison, after all), that could only be told with the characters and in the setting that he's working with/in. I've yet to see what the big deal about Ennis is...
He's hit or miss. His run on the aforementioned Hellblazer is terrific, as well as his stuff on Punisher and Hitman. I really enjoyed Preacher, until it had that totally fucking cornball ending. That ruined it for me. i suppose. i'm not familiar with a lot of his stuff. the things i've read, i thought were okay, and even good, but i was left with a feeling of just not caring when i was done, and i think i got that because i sensed that he didn't either. the 90's were a pretty ugly time for comic books.
Well, I think that was true of the first half, but not so much with the latter half. When Marvel hired Joe Quesdada, I really think that began a renaissance of creativity that hadn't been seen since the mid-eighties. right, but that wasn't until fall 2000, with nothing he or Jemas did taking effect until early 2001, at the very earliest. it is true that Marvel had started creating at least BETTER material in the late 90's (after they hit bottom, creatively and financially, in 1996/1997/1998). but it has more to do with their books being merely average than all of them being just outright bad. the thing, creatively that fucked them up in the mid-90's was editors trying to re-write things after they'd been finished or in the middle of stories that had already been approved. by the late 90's, they'd worked out the kinks in this system, and just basically done away with writers as we think of them, and just started plotting the books themselves, with a credited "writer" who was little more than a scripter. not much of it was any good under this system, but it kept a lot of books from being actively bad. of course, when they brought back Claremont under this system to actually WRITE X-Men, the old problems reared their heads again and the results were disasterous. things under Quesada (and until recently, Jemas) were much much much better as far as sales and creativity went. and it is encouraging to know that when Jemas started acting like the old regime, he got canned. "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK" | |
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AaronAlmighty said:[quote] JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: Sandman and Hellblazer are the good things I was talking about. Sandman is still one of the best comics EVER. of course. not something i return to much, and they're really beating it to death with all of the spin-off miniseries all the time, but still... As good as Morrison is, his JL was a mess.
Cannot go with ya on that one. I loved all of his JLA storylines. He's since topped himself with his run on New X Men, but the JLA stuff is primo! his New X-Men is the fully realized version of what he was trying to do on JLA, by taking well establised characters and mixing things up a little (or a lot). the thing with his JLA is that you get the sense that he had a lot of ideas he wanted to talk about, with no regard to what book he was actually writing, and the plots were secondary (or even non-existent) to the general "weirdness" factor that he likes to exhibit. with New X-Men, he's balanced that with telling actual stories that make actual sense (or a rough approximation of "making sense" ... this is Morrison, after all), that could only be told with the characters and in the setting that he's working with/in. I've yet to see what the big deal about Ennis is...
He's hit or miss. His run on the aforementioned Hellblazer is terrific, as well as his stuff on Punisher and Hitman. I really enjoyed Preacher, until it had that totally fucking cornball ending. That ruined it for me. i suppose. i'm not familiar with a lot of his stuff. the things i've read, i thought were okay, and even good, but i was left with a feeling of just not caring when i was done, and i think i got that because i sensed that he didn't either. the 90's were a pretty ugly time for comic books.
Well, I think that was true of the first half, but not so much with the latter half. When Marvel hired Joe Quesdada, I really think that began a renaissance of creativity that hadn't been seen since the mid-eighties. right, but that wasn't until fall 2000, with nothing he or Jemas did taking effect until early 2001, at the very earliest. it is true that Marvel had started creating at least BETTER material in the late 90's (after they hit bottom, creatively and financially, in 1996/1997/1998). but it has more to do with their books being merely average than all of them being just outright bad. the thing, creatively that fucked them up in the mid-90's was editors trying to re-write things after they'd been finished or in the middle of stories that had already been approved. by the late 90's, they'd worked out the kinks in this system, and just basically done away with writers as we think of them, and just started plotting the books themselves, with a credited "writer" who was little more than a scripter. not much of it was any good under this system, but it kept a lot of books from being actively bad. of course, when they brought back Claremont under this system to actually WRITE X-Men, the old problems reared their heads again and the results were disasterous. things under Quesada (and until recently, Jemas) were much much much better as far as sales and creativity went. and it is encouraging to know that when Jemas started acting like the old regime, he got canned. Actually, I was referring to when Quesada was first hired, in 1998, to head up the Marvel Knight's imprint. In my opinion, that was the turn-around for the industry. All of a sudden, the focus became on actual storytelling and characterization. Sure, there were mistakes (like the aformentioned return of Claremont. Nobody seems to realise that he & Byrne just aren't as good as they used be.), but on the whole Marvel started their return to greatness at that point, and set the bar higher for the industry again. I totally agree with your take on Jemas. Best thing they did was can him before he could return them to the shit pile. His firing of Mark Waid on FF was really the last straw for me.
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bkw said: What's going on here?
Y'know, that "geek" really doesn't look like a geek at all. He's a nerd, and there is a huge difference!
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AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: JediMaster said: AaronAlmighty said: i hear Catwoman is being re-shot and/or delayed, so that it doesn't fuck up the momentum of the new wave of DC movies before any of them get to the screen.
True. WB's execs are having Batman & Robin flashbacks because of the film, and are thinking of delaying it until after the new Bat flick is released. They don't want this pile of cat turds to fuck up the franchise for another seven years. as a die-hard True-Believin' Marvel Zombie, i'm hoping that it does
Batman and Superman movies were cool n stuff... but that was only because there weren't any Spiderman or Hulk or X-Men movies being made. sorry, don't need the void filled anymore Y'know, when I was a kid I was a total Marvel Zombie as well. Then the nineties hit, and Marvel went through their god-awful period. During that time I discovered a lot of the great characters that DC has in their stable. eh... i dunno. DC was pretty crap at the same time. they DID have better quality books more frequently, but when they were bad (and they usually were) they were even worse than Marvel. in fact, they were still doing mega-crossovers even just a year ago. eek! Well, I agree somewhat. DC had all the Vertigo stuff at that time, and that goes a long way with me. Still, I got fed up with Marvel at the time because every fucking book was holo-foiled, bagged with twelve different covers and NO STORY!!!I think I probably noticed it more with Marvel, because it was such a drastic decline in quality. I hated seeing the characters I loved pimped-out in such a disgraceful manner. agreed. unfortunately, DC seems to be on a one-company crusade to bring the variant holo-foil craze back, if you look at the books they've had on the shelves for the last 6 months Totally disagree. DC has some incredible books on the shelves right now! Teen Titans, The Outsiders, Green Arrow and Fallen Angel lead the pack, with terrific stuff going on in the core books (Wonder Woman is the best its EVER been, thanks to Wolverine write Greg Rucka, and Flash just blows my mind! JLA is rockin' pretty hard as well, and the 100 Bulletts team is banging out an incredible Batman story). I can't think of anything DC has done in the last several years that really falls into this category. The last thing I remember was the whole Our Worlds At War crossover, and even that was cool, because you didn't have to read all the books to get what was going on (besides, Marvel had their atrocious Maximum Security crossover at the same time). well, actually, i was talking about the variant covers and the die-cut, holographic, foil cover thing. but... Maximum Security was only one line-wide crossover (and voluntary at that) since... ummm... what was the last one before that... Onslaught/Heroes Reborn... DC was having 2 a year in the late 90's and even up to a year ago. I agree about DC doing the stupid crossover thing. That's such a dead format (although they did have great success with the whole "No Man's Land" and "Bruce Wayne: Murderer?? Fugitive" crossovers. Still, these only seem to work with the Bat titles for some reason.) I am curious though, I can't think of any die-cut holo-foil covers DC's had in the last couple of years. To what are you referring? I know they still occassionally do variant covers, but Marvel does as well. Neither company is as bad about it as they used to be.
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Milty said: i love Batty just as much as you guys, but you two take the cake.
And we eat it too!! I love comics, as an art form and as a form of entertainment. I love everything about them, and I champion them anytime I can. Y'see, so many things are considered "acceptable" by soceity, and comics for years lingered in the shadows. They were seen as being "only for kids" or just the fodder for geeks. Well, I play up the whole "geek" thing, because in my opinion, there's no difference in a guy who loves his comics and a guy who loves his sports. Sports may be more mainstream, but does that make the guy who paints his face with his team colors any less of a geek than the guy who collects Spider-Man memorablilia? In my opinion, there is no difference at all. Comics are starting to get some respect, in many ways thanks to some of these big budget films. The mainstream is starting to find out what all us "geeks" knew all along: comics have great stories and fantastic characters! We all knew since we were little that the Spider-Man story was an intricate, complex story with incredible drama and action. Now the rest of the world knows as well! Anyway, long answer to a short comment, but yeah, I get excited about this kinda thing, because its truly one of my greatest passions (film and music are my other two, so its quite natural that I would get excited about the prospect of a good blending of the two). This is my deal, just like that guy you know who can rattle off every damn sports statistic, and never misses a football game.
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JediMaster said: silentflute said: JediMaster said: silentflute said: Hey jedi,did u ever read THE QUESTION (dennis Oneil/denys cowan run)?If so,did u dig it?
No, but I've always heard great things about it. I know the character was created by Steve Ditko, so it had a strong Objectivist angle to it. Did the O'Neil/Cowan run stay consistent with that, or did it shy away? I always thought the idea of a super-hero who follows Ayn Rand to be a rather interesting one. Strange I've enver read it. ___ [This message was edited Tue Jan 6 13:07:33 PST 2004 by JediMaster] It was pretty consistent with what ditko was doing but also heavy on Zen and meditating onthe nature of violence.Kinda along the same lines of the doug moench /mike zeck MASTER OF KUNG FU ,which is one of my all time favs. COOL! I LOOOVE Master Of Kung Fu!! Shang Chi was awesome!!! THAT'S a comic I would love to see made into a movie, especially if it was based on this run! Agree with you 110%.From what I understand a film is in the works,but I aint holdin my breath.If it ever gets made though,who better to play him than Jason Scott Lee?He's the spitting image of Zeck's rendition.Also,I think they should set the film in the late 70's early 80's like the comic. Did you happen to read the recent limited series by moench and gulacy?I looked at it,but I haven't read it.Something seemed to be missing for me. "Pam...that's just stupid." | |
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silentflute said: JediMaster said: silentflute said: JediMaster said: silentflute said: Hey jedi,did u ever read THE QUESTION (dennis Oneil/denys cowan run)?If so,did u dig it?
No, but I've always heard great things about it. I know the character was created by Steve Ditko, so it had a strong Objectivist angle to it. Did the O'Neil/Cowan run stay consistent with that, or did it shy away? I always thought the idea of a super-hero who follows Ayn Rand to be a rather interesting one. Strange I've enver read it. ___ [This message was edited Tue Jan 6 13:07:33 PST 2004 by JediMaster] It was pretty consistent with what ditko was doing but also heavy on Zen and meditating onthe nature of violence.Kinda along the same lines of the doug moench /mike zeck MASTER OF KUNG FU ,which is one of my all time favs. COOL! I LOOOVE Master Of Kung Fu!! Shang Chi was awesome!!! THAT'S a comic I would love to see made into a movie, especially if it was based on this run! Agree with you 110%.From what I understand a film is in the works,but I aint holdin my breath.If it ever gets made though,who better to play him than Jason Scott Lee?He's the spitting image of Zeck's rendition.Also,I think they should set the film in the late 70's early 80's like the comic. Did you happen to read the recent limited series by moench and gulacy?I looked at it,but I haven't read it.Something seemed to be missing for me. Jason Scott Lee would be a PERFECT choice to play him!!! I hadn't thought of him, but I can totally see it!! If they don't set it in the seventies or eighties, then they should go for that neo-reto feel at least (this is a bad example, and I'm not saying I want them to ape this film, but Kill Bill comes to mind in the way it was modern, but felt like a 70s style martial arts explotation flick all the way. That's not the syle that I want them to do, but something in the veign were it may be set in modern times, but it has that whole late 70s look to it. It needs to be very atmospheric, which will be hard to capture on film). The visuals of that comic made such an impression on me as a kid. There was no other book even remotely like it on the market. I didn't read the whole Marvel Knights mini that Moench and Gulacy did. I never really heard anything about the book at all, and like you it just didn't grab me from the first glance. If someone recommended it to me, I would probably go ahead and give it a read, but otherwise I'll pass.
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