IAmTheTouch said:

You're right...so, is the best thing to educate and encourage people to NOT buy animals at pet stores, etc?

applekisses said:

there is a lot of great information on http://www.helpinganimals.com , including an update on the efforts to change the situation in Yadkin County.

and yes, do talk to your friends, and encourage them to consider the pound or rescue group for their next companion animal. over 50% of the dogs in the Charlotte shelter are purebreds! there is absolutely no reason to go to a pet store or breeder, and perpetuate the problem.

thanks so much for your interest in this - one person at a time, we can make a huge difference!

From little acorns, big trees grow.
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If you are looking for a pet, support http://www.petfinder.com

They work with many shelters and rescue groups. It is easy to find exactly what you want out there even if you only look to saving a "friend".
One of my dogs is most likely from a puppy mill and was bought from a pet store (before I knew about what went on). My other dog and a guinea pig are both from animal shelter's or rescues and I will alway rescue from now on.

Please support your local pet shelters and rescues. Drop them a buck or two or buy a bag of food when you see them at the Petsmart or Petco on the weekends. The little guys need it.

Here are a couple other links.

Boycott stores who sell pets.
http://www.idausa.org/cam...rview.html

Or your next dog may come from a place like this.
http://www.hua.org/Prison...smill.html

PANDURITO said:

Sorry, but I could care less about fucking humans (there are more than enough of them already on this planet)...
IMHO humans are the lowest, most useless and at the same time the most destructive lifeforms on this earth and to say that they're more important than animals is just sick...
If I saw a lil baby drown and at the same time see a dog drown I wouldn't hesitate to lend a helping hand to the dog instead of some baby...
Believe me I respect life, it's just humans I have a problem with...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

Bold statement neversin.

Neversin said:

coqui said:

humans and animals.

i only like anerobic bacteria.

long live anerobic bacteria!

IAmTheTouch said:

I'm happy to do SOMETHING...I adopted my kitties from an animal hospital and when I was a reporter I did stories on animal adoptions all the time.
One thing I am concerned about is that if we all stop buying the animals...will that encourage the pet stores/breeders to kill off the ones they have?

applekisses said:

but they wont be wasted

you know that chinese restaurant down the street...

Neversin said:

seems to me we are easily capable of compassion for both. no need to separate - in either direction.

PANDURITO said:

I probably feel the same way in the human life vs. animal life, but this has nothing to do with human vs. animals.

IAmTheTouch said:

Easily capable of compassion for both??
Hell no... Humans are fucking selfish morons, humans are only compassionate for something if they themselves gain something from it...
Humans get pets not because they're compassionate to the animal they get, they get pets because they just want an animal to fill their own empty lifes with (because they're lonely or because "a puppy looks cool" or whatever fucking lame reason), they do it solely for themselves without thinking about the animal itself...
Remember humans were the fucking idiots who invented Zoo's and still use 'em... There are still thousands of fucking idiot humans who go to zoo's "to go watch the funny monkeys" that are shacked up in a little fucked up 4 by 4 cage with 4 others and who are being watched by thousands of moronic humans who point and laugh at them, and these same people say they love animals...

Neversin.

Number23 said:

One of my favorites by Al is "Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace."

sinisterpentatonic said:

I started watching this and then had to stop.. Animals and babies are a soft spot for me.. I almost cried watching this.. How cruel and inhumane.. This really really upset me. If I had a huge house I would adopt all the puppies in the world!

sinisterpentatonic said:

so true!

BabyCakes said:

i know, it's hard to watch. check out http://www.helpinganimals.com to see how you can help improve the situation in Yadkin County and other places.


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Number23 said:

HEY! I'm jealous...

Why do people seem to care more about violence done to animals than to human beings?

Jestyr said:

see what neversin wrote. also it's easier to have compassion for beings that are basically helpless as opposed to humans which can almost always find a way out of a hard situation through ingenuity if we try hard enough. plus animals bring much more happiness and much less destruction than people as a whole. it isn't complicated.





couldn't watch.

Jestyr said:

i abhor violence in all forms. you will hear me make the case against human rights abuses as well as animal rights abuses.

there seems to be a double standard, however. child advocates are never questioned why they don't work for the elderly. people who work on behalf of the developmentally disabled aren't asked why they don't work on environmental issues. but it's assumed that animal rights activists don't care about humans. the fact of the matter is that we do.


human rights and animal rights are closely connected, and hopefully, we will see a time when this connection is no longer questioned.
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IAmTheTouch said:

i should explain that while i find it easier to care about animals, i care deeply about animals and people equally. the environment is in there as well because without it none of us exist.
[This message was edited Wed Dec 10 12:42:22 PST 2003 by conch5184]

i just wrote the oprah winfrey show

"I'd like to see a show about animal rights. Americans often don't realize that we're being cruel to animals (including pets) and do things we wouldn't do if we were aware. Such as electric fences which are illegal in Europe and kill boxes of pet stores and breeders (a disturbing clip of which can be seen at http://www.petatv.com/tvp...kin_county ). Also the emerging political incorrectness of fur may be a talking point.
Thank you for your time,
*name*"


worth a shot

conch5184 said:

thank you, conch - what a great idea!

applekisses said:

Number23 said:

applekisses said:

HOMEWRECKER!