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Reply #30 posted 12/08/03 8:43am

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I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...
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Reply #31 posted 12/08/03 9:39am

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Janfriend said:

...Now, what would you do if you got this letter? What does this letter mean? How is it different from thr first one?

For me, Mailwasher still wins the day.

As AnotherLoverToo has previously stated, it's really just an exercise in second guessing for anyone to predict what they would do in these circumstances, despite the additional information provided from the stance of a third party. To understand how best to respond to these letters, we would have had to have experienced the relationship from the recipient's point of view ourselves.
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Reply #32 posted 12/08/03 9:47am

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I get spam mail like this all the time, mostly from my wife. Mailwasher works for me. If that were to fail, I've heard being friendly to people is worth a try.

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Reply #33 posted 12/08/03 9:53am

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They clearly are of different personality temperaments. Either the one doesn't feel as strongly and or does but doesn't need as much contact.

The writer needs to learn the term "Let go." A year has passed and with a follow up like that I would say they have an obsession with the recipient. Which falls lightly under the heading stocker!
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Reply #34 posted 12/08/03 10:20am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

They clearly are of different personality temperaments. Either the one doesn't feel as strongly and or does but doesn't need as much contact.

The writer needs to learn the term "Let go." A year has passed and with a follow up like that I would say they have an obsession with the recipient. Which falls lightly under the heading stocker!


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Reply #35 posted 12/08/03 10:53am

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These kind of situations scare me.. Childish at best.
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Reply #36 posted 12/08/03 11:15am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

They clearly are of different personality temperaments. Either the one doesn't feel as strongly and or does but doesn't need as much contact.

The writer needs to learn the term "Let go." A year has passed and with a follow up like that I would say they have an obsession with the recipient. Which falls lightly under the heading stocker!


Do you mean "stalker", rather than someone who stocks inventory on shelves, etc.?

Given that the relationship apparently took place over many years without any physical harm, and that this person sent 2 letters within a timeframe of 1 year and had no other contact with that person, and did not make any threats and was not asked to cease contact with the recipient--calling it "stalking" might be a bit much.

I still say that it's quite pointless to judge any of the personality characteristics or motives of the people involved, because we don't know them. We'd just be projecting our own experiences or opinions upon this situation. Some stranger could come in and listen to us and pick a situation in our lives, and then speak to someone else about it and twist it around to make us look completely different than we personally experienced it. Janfriend knows the most and is in the best position to understand these people. shrug
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Reply #37 posted 12/08/03 4:13pm

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sigh things like this can always be hard but as my good friend censored has told me on more than on ocassion, you just have to think of the person you want to be and then just be that person. Be careful what you write back and just do what you think is right. Sorry you are going through this hug rose
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Reply #38 posted 12/08/03 4:34pm

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Perhaps theres more to this than meets the eye. Is this person imagining this thingy is happenin orrr...was there really sumfin goin on..in the start maybeee and you lost interest or i dunno. See, i fink the thing is wif some situations is communication and mixed messages n blah blah know what i'm sayin. ANyways..im on pain killers so im not much help...but yeah okay..seee yaaa wave
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Reply #39 posted 12/08/03 4:47pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...


omfg whoa, isn't a stalker someone who wont leave you alone after you've told them to stop and they follow you around and stuff??? Maybe I'm wrong confuse

Knowing both of these people, I will say the the recipient is a little on the self-centered, selfish side by their own admission. I'm more on the writer's side because they have the same view on friendship as I do. I think people use the word friend when they really should be using the word associate.
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Reply #40 posted 12/08/03 4:52pm

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Perhaps theres more to this than meets the eye. Is this person imagining this thingy is happenin orrr...was there really sumfin goin on..in the start maybeee and you lost interest or i dunno. See, i fink the thing is wif some situations is communication and mixed messages n blah blah know what i'm sayin. ANyways..im on pain killers so im not much help...but yeah okay..seee yaaa wave


Oh, I do think there were some mixed messages and signals and definitely a miscommunication somewhere. I mean, come on, if someone told be they wanted me to be the mother of their child, I wouldn't take that as being "just a friend" I would think that person saw me in a way beyond just friendship. A child connects people for life, even if something terrible happens to the child, those two people will be connected forever and it's a serious thing. I believe there was definitely an attraction between the two and that attraction went away for one and not the other for specific reasons
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Reply #41 posted 12/08/03 4:56pm

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lilmissmissy said:

Perhaps theres more to this than meets the eye. Is this person imagining this thingy is happenin orrr...was there really sumfin goin on..in the start maybeee and you lost interest or i dunno. See, i fink the thing is wif some situations is communication and mixed messages n blah blah know what i'm sayin. ANyways..im on pain killers so im not much help...but yeah okay..seee yaaa wave

Your career in counselling awaits - just wean yourself off the painkillers first.

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Reply #42 posted 12/08/03 5:00pm

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i'd tell him to get prozac and see a shrink
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Reply #43 posted 12/08/03 5:37pm

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I read both letters and I'm not sure what 2 say. It seems the friendship is very one-sided and that the recipent doesn't really care about the writers feelings or just dismisses them totally.

How close friends were the writer/recipent or where they just acquitances (can't spell wink )?. It seems the writer has become obsessed with the recipent and that they are holding on 2 memories of a friendship.

I don't know the full story so I'm not making any judgments but think that the writer should understand that the recipent doesn't care about their friendship no more, this is the view I'm getting from the writer recieving no response.

Both have 2 discuss this situation @ perhaps it can b remedied.
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Reply #44 posted 12/08/03 5:38pm

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Janfriend said:

lilmissmissy said:

Perhaps theres more to this than meets the eye. Is this person imagining this thingy is happenin orrr...was there really sumfin goin on..in the start maybeee and you lost interest or i dunno. See, i fink the thing is wif some situations is communication and mixed messages n blah blah know what i'm sayin. ANyways..im on pain killers so im not much help...but yeah okay..seee yaaa wave


Oh, I do think there were some mixed messages and signals and definitely a miscommunication somewhere. I mean, come on, if someone told be they wanted me to be the mother of their child, I wouldn't take that as being "just a friend" I would think that person saw me in a way beyond just friendship. A child connects people for life, even if something terrible happens to the child, those two people will be connected forever and it's a serious thing. I believe there was definitely an attraction between the two and that attraction went away for one and not the other for specific reasons


Yeah, it sounded that way nod Its a sticky situation...both peoples feelings need to be delt with carefully. And one has to not only UNDERSTAND the other's feelings...but the WHYS. Otherwise it'll just go on forever until it fades painfully and unresolved. If that makes any sense, i dunno ...
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Reply #45 posted 12/08/03 5:40pm

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langebleu said:

lilmissmissy said:

Perhaps theres more to this than meets the eye. Is this person imagining this thingy is happenin orrr...was there really sumfin goin on..in the start maybeee and you lost interest or i dunno. See, i fink the thing is wif some situations is communication and mixed messages n blah blah know what i'm sayin. ANyways..im on pain killers so im not much help...but yeah okay..seee yaaa wave

Your career in counselling awaits - just wean yourself off the painkillers first.

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Reply #46 posted 12/08/03 10:17pm

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I read both letters and I'm not sure what 2 say. It seems the friendship is very one-sided and that the recipent doesn't really care about the writers feelings or just dismisses them totally.

How close friends were the writer/recipent or where they just acquitances (can't spell wink )?. It seems the writer has become obsessed with the recipent and that they are holding on 2 memories of a friendship.

I don't know the full story so I'm not making any judgments but think that the writer should understand that the recipent doesn't care about their friendship no more, this is the view I'm getting from the writer recieving no response.

Both have 2 discuss this situation @ perhaps it can b remedied.


They were very close. They saw each other and talked to each other on an average of every other day. They went out a lot together, shared intimate feelings and secrets with each other, supported one another in their interests, gave each other long drawn-out hugs goodbye. The recipient actually called the writer their boyfriend/girlfriend at one time and admitted to being jealous when the writer mentioned a significant other.
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Reply #47 posted 12/09/03 7:33am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...



Wait a minute! Are you sure you didn't mean they work at a grocery store? I got that vibe.


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Reply #48 posted 12/09/03 7:38am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

They clearly are of different personality temperaments. Either the one doesn't feel as strongly and or does but doesn't need as much contact.

The writer needs to learn the term "Let go." A year has passed and with a follow up like that I would say they have an obsession with the recipient. Which falls lightly under the heading stocker!


Muse, did you write that letter wink How ya doin sweets? biggrin hug


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Reply #49 posted 12/09/03 9:17am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...



Wait a minute! Are you sure you didn't mean they work at a grocery store? I got that vibe.


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How dare you!! Good one! evillol
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Reply #50 posted 12/09/03 9:24am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...



Wait a minute! Are you sure you didn't mean they work at a grocery store? I got that vibe.


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How dare you!! Good one! evillol



wink Have a good one!
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Reply #51 posted 12/09/03 9:28am

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Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...


omfg whoa, isn't a stalker someone who wont leave you alone after you've told them to stop and they follow you around and stuff??? Maybe I'm wrong confuse

Knowing both of these people, I will say the the recipient is a little on the self-centered, selfish side by their own admission. I'm more on the writer's side because they have the same view on friendship as I do. I think people use the word friend when they really should be using the word associate.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 21:45:12 PST 2003 by Janfriend]


When I say stalker, I mean all you'd have to do is add a little actual commitment on the recipients part and this person would absolutely be in stalker mode. Look at the depth of feelings the writer is expressing. Just imagine how much hardcore things would be if they did have a sexual relationship with the recipient of the letter. I wouldn't be surprised if they would become suicidal after losing this person as a lover.

And might I add that the recipient of the letter is screwed up too if in fact they claimed at anypoint to be in a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, knowing full well that wasn't their intention, and especially if they got jealous of someone the writer was committed too. It sounds like that person likes to play head games and might be having fun with the writer of the letter much like a cat who plays with a mouse until it's dead...
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Reply #52 posted 12/09/03 5:30pm

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Janfriend said:

thetimefan said:

I read both letters and I'm not sure what 2 say. It seems the friendship is very one-sided and that the recipent doesn't really care about the writers feelings or just dismisses them totally.

How close friends were the writer/recipent or where they just acquitances (can't spell wink )?. It seems the writer has become obsessed with the recipent and that they are holding on 2 memories of a friendship.

I don't know the full story so I'm not making any judgments but think that the writer should understand that the recipent doesn't care about their friendship no more, this is the view I'm getting from the writer recieving no response.

Both have 2 discuss this situation @ perhaps it can b remedied.


They were very close. They saw each other and talked to each other on an average of every other day. They went out a lot together, shared intimate feelings and secrets with each other, supported one another in their interests, gave each other long drawn-out hugs goodbye. The recipient actually called the writer their boyfriend/girlfriend at one time and admitted to being jealous when the writer mentioned a significant other.


This is very interesting. From what you say it seems they were very close, and perhaps the writer's jealousy turned the recipent away...who know's. I am not judging the writer @ all but it seems that they became obsessed by the recipent a great deal, even 2 the point that they said they were jealous.

I'll guess the writer is a guy and the recipent is a girl but I may be wrong and its most likely that the recipent is now ignoring the writer. The writer obviously (can't spell wink wanted more than to be just friends and this may have put off the recipent but again I don't know the full story.

I think the recipent should have the decency to tell the letter writer why they didn't write back or phone etc. If they were such close friends then why are they in this situation?.

If the recipent isn't interested in being the writer's friend no more they should tell them, but I think the writer wants a relationship with the recipent and that they won't be happy unless they are, being friends isn't good enough, therefore the recipent is ignoring them.

Friendship has turned into obsession, and therefore, if I was the recipent I wouldn't want to continue the friendship. Just my opinion.

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Reply #53 posted 12/09/03 9:30pm

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thetimefan said:

Janfriend said:

thetimefan said:

I read both letters and I'm not sure what 2 say. It seems the friendship is very one-sided and that the recipent doesn't really care about the writers feelings or just dismisses them totally.

How close friends were the writer/recipent or where they just acquitances (can't spell wink )?. It seems the writer has become obsessed with the recipent and that they are holding on 2 memories of a friendship.

I don't know the full story so I'm not making any judgments but think that the writer should understand that the recipent doesn't care about their friendship no more, this is the view I'm getting from the writer recieving no response.

Both have 2 discuss this situation @ perhaps it can b remedied.


They were very close. They saw each other and talked to each other on an average of every other day. They went out a lot together, shared intimate feelings and secrets with each other, supported one another in their interests, gave each other long drawn-out hugs goodbye. The recipient actually called the writer their boyfriend/girlfriend at one time and admitted to being jealous when the writer mentioned a significant other.


This is very interesting. From what you say it seems they were very close, and perhaps the writer's jealousy turned the recipent away...who know's. I am not judging the writer @ all but it seems that they became obsessed by the recipent a great deal, even 2 the point that they said they were jealous.

I'll guess the writer is a guy and the recipent is a girl but I may be wrong and its most likely that the recipent is now ignoring the writer. The writer obviously (can't spell wink wanted more than to be just friends and this may have put off the recipent but again I don't know the full story.

I think the recipent should have the decency to tell the letter writer why they didn't write back or phone etc. If they were such close friends then why are they in this situation?.

If the recipent isn't interested in being the writer's friend no more they should tell them, but I think the writer wants a relationship with the recipent and that they won't be happy unless they are, being friends isn't good enough, therefore the recipent is ignoring them.

Friendship has turned into obsession, and therefore, if I was the recipent I wouldn't want to continue the friendship. Just my opinion.

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The writer wasn't jealous, the recipient was
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Reply #54 posted 12/10/03 12:56pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...


omfg whoa, isn't a stalker someone who wont leave you alone after you've told them to stop and they follow you around and stuff??? Maybe I'm wrong confuse

Knowing both of these people, I will say the the recipient is a little on the self-centered, selfish side by their own admission. I'm more on the writer's side because they have the same view on friendship as I do. I think people use the word friend when they really should be using the word associate.
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When I say stalker, I mean all you'd have to do is add a little actual commitment on the recipients part and this person would absolutely be in stalker mode. Look at the depth of feelings the writer is expressing. Just imagine how much hardcore things would be if they did have a sexual relationship with the recipient of the letter. I wouldn't be surprised if they would become suicidal after losing this person as a lover.

And might I add that the recipient of the letter is screwed up too if in fact they claimed at anypoint to be in a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, knowing full well that wasn't their intention, and especially if they got jealous of someone the writer was committed too. It sounds like that person likes to play head games and might be having fun with the writer of the letter much like a cat who plays with a mouse until it's dead...


So, where's the line between being in love and being obsessed? Couldn't it be that the writer is just in love with the recipient? What makes it obsession as oppsed to love?
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Reply #55 posted 12/10/03 1:39pm

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Reply #56 posted 12/10/03 1:49pm

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Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...


omfg whoa, isn't a stalker someone who wont leave you alone after you've told them to stop and they follow you around and stuff??? Maybe I'm wrong confuse

Knowing both of these people, I will say the the recipient is a little on the self-centered, selfish side by their own admission. I'm more on the writer's side because they have the same view on friendship as I do. I think people use the word friend when they really should be using the word associate.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 21:45:12 PST 2003 by Janfriend]


When I say stalker, I mean all you'd have to do is add a little actual commitment on the recipients part and this person would absolutely be in stalker mode. Look at the depth of feelings the writer is expressing. Just imagine how much hardcore things would be if they did have a sexual relationship with the recipient of the letter. I wouldn't be surprised if they would become suicidal after losing this person as a lover.

And might I add that the recipient of the letter is screwed up too if in fact they claimed at anypoint to be in a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, knowing full well that wasn't their intention, and especially if they got jealous of someone the writer was committed too. It sounds like that person likes to play head games and might be having fun with the writer of the letter much like a cat who plays with a mouse until it's dead...


So, where's the line between being in love and being obsessed? Couldn't it be that the writer is just in love with the recipient? What makes it obsession as oppsed to love?


I can certainly understand the feelings the writer is having. When I love, it's with every fiber of my being. That sounds like the kind of love the writer has for the recipient. I'm saying that the writer would have crossed the line to obsession if they did consumate and have an actual relationship with the recipient vs. just being friends. I mean look at the wording. This person professes undying love and they were only "friends"
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Reply #57 posted 12/11/03 11:19pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Janfriend said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm leaning more towards that the letter writer is a stalker and the recipient is smart to stay away...


omfg whoa, isn't a stalker someone who wont leave you alone after you've told them to stop and they follow you around and stuff??? Maybe I'm wrong confuse

Knowing both of these people, I will say the the recipient is a little on the self-centered, selfish side by their own admission. I'm more on the writer's side because they have the same view on friendship as I do. I think people use the word friend when they really should be using the word associate.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 8 21:45:12 PST 2003 by Janfriend]


When I say stalker, I mean all you'd have to do is add a little actual commitment on the recipients part and this person would absolutely be in stalker mode. Look at the depth of feelings the writer is expressing. Just imagine how much hardcore things would be if they did have a sexual relationship with the recipient of the letter. I wouldn't be surprised if they would become suicidal after losing this person as a lover.

And might I add that the recipient of the letter is screwed up too if in fact they claimed at anypoint to be in a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, knowing full well that wasn't their intention, and especially if they got jealous of someone the writer was committed too. It sounds like that person likes to play head games and might be having fun with the writer of the letter much like a cat who plays with a mouse until it's dead...


So, where's the line between being in love and being obsessed? Couldn't it be that the writer is just in love with the recipient? What makes it obsession as oppsed to love?


I can certainly understand the feelings the writer is having. When I love, it's with every fiber of my being. That sounds like the kind of love the writer has for the recipient. I'm saying that the writer would have crossed the line to obsession if they did consumate and have an actual relationship with the recipient vs. just being friends. I mean look at the wording. This person professes undying love and they were only "friends"


I don't think so because if they were in a romantic relationship, I don't think the recipient would let the relationship just fade away like he/she obviously did with the friendship. She/He would have had a conversation and ended it if they didn't feel the same for the writer. The writer would have had the closure they were asking for in the first letter. There actually wouldn't even be a need for the letters. The recipient apparantly didn't feel the same about the writer and didn't say this, causing the writer to feel rejected and confused and not understanding what the hell happened
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