scififilmnerd said:

So you think pedophilia and christanity are equivalent?

Number23 said:

Hopefully, the prosecution won't bring "Thriller" in as evidence.

I don't need a court decision to make up my mind.

It's sickening to see how much support this man has
when countless children have been exposed to his
sick acts of self-gratification. Don't believe for
a second that just because he's found "innocent", which
HE WILL BE, that that is indeed the case.

To answer your question: Nope, this ex-fan is done
supporting Mike's fancy...

Whether Michael Jackson is found guilty or not, I think it will reveal to some extent who Michael Jackson really is. There's been so many stories about how wacky he is the tabloid press-that he tests his excrement, he sleeps in an oxygen chamber, collected John Merick's bones or whatever. He himself seems happiest surrounded by children at his Never Land ranch riding fairground rides trying to recreate the childhood he never had.
Another side to him which is less sighted is his shrewed business sense which has created his wealth particularly from his involvemnet with Sony. The same record label that Jackson accused its head of being 'racist and evil' and who Jackson declared for his 'termination'.
All these things lead me to not get a sense of who the 'real' Michael Jackson is.
When I was really young I remembered him for being a magical entertainer, a stunning showman, an electrifying dancer. But gradually I became disinterested in the music he was making partly due to my growing fascination with Prince and other music. I think this may have also been due to his popularity waining with regards the record sales for HIStory and in particular Invincible. Invincible's failure, Jackson believed was down to Sony's manager who I forget his name, lack of promotion and racism. Yet few people came out in support of him.
Unlike Prince for example, Michael Jackson has increasingly cast himself as the victim of a houndful media. This was clearly shown with the HIStory album. The 1st disc seemed to suggest, Jackson as saying 'look at how great I am', the 2nd disc in part seemed like an attempt to make himself seem like a victim. I cant say what Invincible was like as I havent heard it.
Despite having to reach an out of court settlement in the past over child abuse allegations he continues to portray himself as naive and innocent. Continuing to believe that sharing with a bed with children is a 'beautiful' thing.
He claims that he has a skin condition that has lightened his skin but it still doesnt explain why he's had operations on his nose and face. He looks more like a peculiar white women than the African-American man he really is.
Because of the way he sees himself and his physical appearance it is almost impossible to imagine that he could ever be capable of the allegations he faces. If he looked any different would we think he was less or more guilty then?
I still love Michael Jackson's music but as a man, if he is found guilty, I dont think I could ever hold him in the high regard or sympathy I once had for him.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Do you think he was innocent or guilty when he was taken to court in 1993?

Natsume said:

Then like now, Ive still no idea until he's actually been tried and founded. Far be it for me to say whether he's guilty or not.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

So you're gonna let the jury decide for you? They're not always right... OJ Simpson anyone?

PurpleJedi said:

BALLS

Never judge the art by the arist.

Ike Turner is a musical genius and Tina's best stuff was done with him. Nothing about their personal life can change that.

Knut Hamsun's book "Hunger" is one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th Century. The fact that he supported the Nazi party and went to meet Hitler can't change that.

William Burroughs was a genuine genius. He shot his wife in the head in front of their young son. Doesn't stop "Junky" being brilliant of "Naked Lunch" being visionary.

I could go on forever.

If Jacko is guilty then I hope he gets what he deserves but if you think I should stop enjoying "Billy Jean" then FUCK YOU

Natsume said:

Well no, and Ur quite right with regards OJ Simpson but I think the trial will if anything give everyone more of a concrete view 1 way or another.

sinisterpentatonic said:

No, that the Jehova faith and pedophilia are equally anti my being.

Also, Christianity and JW are two very different things to my mind. I am not a Christian, but I have a Christian way of thinking.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 23 15:09:19 PST 2003 by scififilmnerd]

PurpleJedi said:

I agree. I would still appreciate the music that I have and that I like, but I would refrain from bying new releases. I could not in good conscience support a pedophiliac.
Just like I love Prince's pre-Jehova music but do not support the contemporary JW Prince by buying his releases or attending his shows.

(So why am I here, you ask? Because I am a fan of the Prince I grew up with. )
[This message was edited Sun Nov 23 14:58:39 PST 2003 by scififilmnerd]

I will like him the same. He's been fucked in the head for awhile now. If i dealt with him not wanting to be black, i can deal with this. I like the music he made in the past.

sinisterpentatonic said:

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking.

Revolution said:

I agree, I can't support the guy...sorry I just can't.

Pagey said:

Sound & reasonable minds...YES , they DO exist on the ORG!!!

Amazing how some people will avoid answering a YES or NO question and instead rationalize and argue and twist the question around...in the hopes of god-knows-what.

Were you asked to stop listening to Billie Jean? Nope
Were you asked to convict him before he goes on trial? Nope
Were you asked if Woody Allen and Roman Pulanski should be supported? Nope
Were you asked to agree with my beliefs? Nope

You were asked a simple question, with a simple answer.
Some of you get it...others obviously need a map to get back to planet earth.

no

if he's guilty
make his ass pay

no excuses.

treat him just like anyone
else who has committed
a crime of that nature.

lock him up and toss the
key.

:F:

PurpleJedi said:

Who's Billie Jean? What has he done? Is he the boy?

BigGuns said:

To answer the question:
unless the definition of lewd conduct is somehow extended to non-sexual things (which i don't think is even possible given the law): no, i will no longer b down for MJ if the courts find him guilty.

However, it's kinda sad that even when the court says he is not guilty, some will still consider him a pedophile.

SpcMs said:

will you change your avatar?

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[This message was edited Mon Nov 24 0:14:17 PST 2003 by AaronUniversal]

simple answer: yes, he'll still get my support.

Coz he's not guilty. And I await the damning evidence that will put him in jail.

scififilmnerd said:

I really like that attitude of yours

Hold your judgment till MJ is found guilty or not.