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Printableian said: Well, good for you. Try to respect that not everyone agrees with that opinion and to dismiss it as people being "snobby" is just insulting and plain wrong. I don't think so, cuz as I stated before, some people genuinely liked it better, while others just stick their noses up and won't even give the remake a chance. People don't like the original Ringu because it's "foreign" they like it because it is the original and therefore the version they got to know and love first. Nothing complex about that. I agree to an extent. But that just means you're not being fair. Cuz if you show both versions to someone who has never seen either, they might just pick the remake. There's something rather unhealthy about the attitude that enjoying a foreign movie is "intellectual" or "snobby" as you suggest. I never suggested that, and please don't do a Soulpower on me. Besides, why would I suggest that if I liked the foreign version myself? I have stated many times that Ringu was a great film. Perhaps this is symptomatic of a general western / American cultural insularity and unwillingness to accept foreign popular culture until it has been appropriated, sanitised, dumbed-down and suitably Americanised with nice recognisable white American faces and American accents. So basically what you're saying is that the only way us dumb, prejudiced Americans can appreciate the superior foreign entertainment is by making it as stupid and ridiculous as we are. Nice Ian, real nice. 
One example that springs to mind is the fabulous BBC comedy "The Office". Instead of just showing the comedy in the USA, they are instead remaking it with American accents and basing it in New York. So, what's wrong with that? Perhapse the BBC version didn't test well with American audiences and would be a flop if it aired here. Not all British humor is funny to us. And that doesn't mean we're too stupid to get it as you may think, but there are such things as cultural differences. Or maybe the show just sucks as it is now. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Since I don't speak Japanese, I spent most of the time looking at the bottom of the screen trying to read stuff quickly than looking at the movie and soaking up the atmosphere. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: I don't think so, cuz as I stated before, some people genuinely liked it better, while others just stick their noses up and won't even give the remake a chance.
Who are these "people" that you are referring to though? I've not come across anyone who thinks like that. My point was that whilst you are entitled to your opinion, to completely dismiss opposing opinions and write them off as being "snobby" is just plain insulting not to mention blinkered. I agree to an extent. But that just means you're not being fair. Cuz if you show both versions to someone who has never seen either, they might just pick the remake.
Of course they might, and good for them. Different opinions, EvilWhiteMale. I've seen both and I prefer the original. Some other people have seen both and prefer the remake. It's just opinions. There's nothing "unfair" about it. People prefer what they prefer. So basically what you're saying is that the only way us dumb, prejudiced Americans can appreciate the superior foreign entertainment is by making it as stupid and ridiculous as we are. Nice Ian, real nice.
You said that, I didn't. I am not of that opinion. "So basically" is a great technique for twisting a perfectly clear statement into something else entirely, but please credit people here with the intelligence to see through it. You suggested that people who enjoy foreign movies are doing so to "appear intellectual" (your words) and to be "snobby". That is what you said. I responded saying that such attitudes are extremely unhealthy and indicative of our general western cultural insularity. I said "western", not just "American". I stand by what I said. People who share the attitude that foreign cinema is just for snobs and pseudo-intellectuals are precisely the reason that so much foreign culture is not appreciated until it has been appropriated, westernised and remade, with smiling white western actors and nice generic American accents. That's just the way it is. It isn't my fault and it isn't yours. So, what's wrong with that? Perhapse the BBC version didn't test well with American audiences and would be a flop if it aired here. Not all British humor is funny to us. And that doesn't mean we're too stupid to get it as you may think, but there are such things as cultural differences. Or maybe the show just sucks as it is now.
Again you put words in my mouth. I never said you're "too stupid" so please quit making such wild leaps of logic. "The Office" certainly doesn't "suck". If you don't find the humour funny, I suggest you just watch something else. My point is that if given a chance, American audiences are PERFECTLY capable of appreciating foreign popular culture. However for some reason TV producers in the US don't consider you capable of that and so patronise you by remaking shows that are already in the English language, but remaking it in an American context with American accents, lest they scare off those people who refuse to even give it a chance because it is foreign. You know, people who suggest that enjoying international cinema and pop culture is just for snobs. | |
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Tom said: Since I don't speak Japanese, I spent most of the time looking at the bottom of the screen trying to read stuff quickly than looking at the movie and soaking up the atmosphere.
Fair enough, that's a very understandable reason to prefer the American remake. A lot of people don't have the patience for subtitles, and quite frequently subtitles and dubbing is so badly done that it completely ruins a good movie. | |
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Is it me - or is it gettin hot in here? 
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bananacologne said: Is it me - or is it gettin hot in here?
Nah, it's all just opinions  | |
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ian said: Who are these "people" that you are referring to though? I've not come across anyone who thinks like that. My point was that whilst you are entitled to your opinion, to completely dismiss opposing opinions and write them off as being "snobby" is just plain insulting not to mention blinkered. Of course they might, and good for them. Different opinions, EvilWhiteMale. I've seen both and I prefer the original. Some other people have seen both and prefer the remake. It's just opinions. There's nothing "unfair" about it. People prefer what they prefer. You said that, I didn't. I am not of that opinion. "So basically" is a great technique for twisting a perfectly clear statement into something else entirely, but please credit people here with the intelligence to see through it. You suggested that people who enjoy foreign movies are doing so to "appear intellectual" (your words) and to be "snobby". That is what you said. I responded saying that such attitudes are extremely unhealthy and indicative of our general western cultural insularity. I said "western", not just "American". I stand by what I said. People who share the attitude that foreign cinema is just for snobs and pseudo-intellectuals are precisely the reason that so much foreign culture is not appreciated until it has been appropriated, westernised and remade, with smiling white western actors and nice generic American accents. That's just the way it is. It isn't my fault and it isn't yours. Again you put words in my mouth. I never said you're "too stupid" so please quit making such wild leaps of logic. "The Office" certainly doesn't "suck". If you don't find the humour funny, I suggest you just watch something else. My point is that if given a chance, American audiences are PERFECTLY capable of appreciating foreign popular culture. However for some reason TV producers in the US don't consider you capable of that and so patronise you by remaking shows that are already in the English language, but remaking it in an American context with American accents, lest they scare off those people who refuse to even give it a chance because it is foreign. You know, people who suggest that enjoying international cinema and pop culture is just for snobs. Well, this can go on forever, so how bout this. How bout we just say, you like Ringu better and I like The Ring better. Sound good to you? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: ian said: Who are these "people" that you are referring to though? I've not come across anyone who thinks like that. My point was that whilst you are entitled to your opinion, to completely dismiss opposing opinions and write them off as being "snobby" is just plain insulting not to mention blinkered. Of course they might, and good for them. Different opinions, EvilWhiteMale. I've seen both and I prefer the original. Some other people have seen both and prefer the remake. It's just opinions. There's nothing "unfair" about it. People prefer what they prefer. You said that, I didn't. I am not of that opinion. "So basically" is a great technique for twisting a perfectly clear statement into something else entirely, but please credit people here with the intelligence to see through it. You suggested that people who enjoy foreign movies are doing so to "appear intellectual" (your words) and to be "snobby". That is what you said. I responded saying that such attitudes are extremely unhealthy and indicative of our general western cultural insularity. I said "western", not just "American". I stand by what I said. People who share the attitude that foreign cinema is just for snobs and pseudo-intellectuals are precisely the reason that so much foreign culture is not appreciated until it has been appropriated, westernised and remade, with smiling white western actors and nice generic American accents. That's just the way it is. It isn't my fault and it isn't yours. Again you put words in my mouth. I never said you're "too stupid" so please quit making such wild leaps of logic. "The Office" certainly doesn't "suck". If you don't find the humour funny, I suggest you just watch something else. My point is that if given a chance, American audiences are PERFECTLY capable of appreciating foreign popular culture. However for some reason TV producers in the US don't consider you capable of that and so patronise you by remaking shows that are already in the English language, but remaking it in an American context with American accents, lest they scare off those people who refuse to even give it a chance because it is foreign. You know, people who suggest that enjoying international cinema and pop culture is just for snobs. Well, this can go on forever, so how bout this. How bout we just say, you like Ringu better and I like The Ring better. Sound good to you? Sure, that's what I said several posts ago Cool with me. | |
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ian said: Sure, that's what I said several posts ago Cool with me.Glad that's settled. Now lets get a  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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