At no point did I insult any Americans which people have been claiming. I was only commenting on my observations while being here. I can make those observations because I have been here, while many who insult non Us citizens (Aaron) have never been to the countries they are insulting so their judgement is not valid.
Incidentally, for those of you open minded who dont get offended at observations please read

The Eagle's Shadow
Why America Both Fascinates and Infurtiates the World by Mark Heertsgard (who is an American).

It is a fascinating read for all those who want to learn about why people think certain things about Americans. It is both positive and negative but is worth reading.

I apologise if i offended anyone, you must understand that these are initial impressions and there are a lot of good things about the US too (current government politics excepted).

Aaron and some others misunderstood me and proved my argument that those who dont travel outside of their country dont understand criticisms which are usually seen as valid and fair because they have nothing to compare it to.

To those that understood that and didnt take offence, well done, you got the gist of my argument!

I ask Aaron not ever to respond to my posts again as i dont ever want to see a repeat of yesterday's disgusting behaviour. You'd better be careful as your comments also insulted the owners of Prince.org who are European.

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[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 21:04:32 PDT 2003 by AaronUniversal]

Freaker said:

Tell me, what did really happen yesterday? Damn, I miss too much!

2 threads in 2 minutes in which Aaron's asked not to respond to someone ... is this an Org record?

AaronUniversal said:

Sorry Freaker but I agree. You spoke of how rude americans are but you need to take a look in the mirror.

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[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 21:04:41 PDT 2003 by AaronUniversal]

Freaker, c'mon, admit it--you made quite a few negative remarks about Americans and towards several specific Americans (including Dansa, a moderator)

Quite a few people witnessed it, even though the thread's been deleted. Your insults towards Aaron withheld (taking into consideration that it may have been motivated by a personal grudge), you basically told Dansa that her lack of desire to travel was pathetic and ignorant, and you told me the reason Europeans were rude to me was probably because I was loud and wasn't being modest (a completely incorrect assumption, btw).

That's just a couple of examples. You also made very general negative, insulting, subjective statements about Americans while making it sound as if all other cultures/nationalities were incapable of transgression.
[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 19:02:59 PDT 2003 by AnotherLoverToo]

AnotherLoverToo said:

I missed that!

Freaker said:

I well understood your comments and criticisms, and the sentiments are oft-stated by other European Orgers (especially in the P&R forum) and hardly news to many Americans. What Americans typically object to, however, is being judged and evaluated not upon their own personal behaviors, but based upon a few negative encounters or stories of such. If you want to dislike me, fine, but please do so because you don't like ME, not just because of where I live.



Actually, Ben is the "owner" of P Org and although he currently lives and works in Spain, he is American. As are Matt and Dansa and Lavishh (Org Mods). Ian, obviously, is Irish and if he was insulted by anything Aaron said, believe me, he'd let Aaron know!
[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 19:56:14 PDT 2003 by AnotherLoverToo]

it was quite offensive, and i don't see how any could possibley have misread it, as it was quite blunt and blatant
[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 19:53:30 PDT 2003 by cborgman]

cborgman said:

this thread is

well, he has one thread apologizing to aaron... that's one american down... 4 threads a day... well, someone has a lifetime of org apologizing ahead of him

I repeat

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[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 21:04:53 PDT 2003 by AaronUniversal]

ah, dear...reopening a can of worms is all this is.

AaronUniversal said:

well, okay... one LAME attempt at a thread making a weak stab at apology in order to save face, hoping people would forget about his many other offensive threads where he trashes dansa, rd, and all the gay orgers, and now all the american orgers.

better?

My points were valid and non offensive as i made clear many times, the reason some of you are offended is that you have newver experienced what i have so you dont understand where im coming from. Ie patriotism, back home if you have a flag outside your house it usually means you are a member of the BNP or a racist bigot, therefore you must understand that me coming and seeing flags everywhere seems like that, even though its probably used here as a symbol of unity as you become an American and arent born it. I even had some Americans org note me saying they understand and dont take offence.
Dont you all think Aaron telling someone to go home and calling them Eurotrash is offensive?
Its downright racist and ignoring his own roots.
So i apologise to all those i offended, and its a shame Aaron doesnt have the intelligence to let this be and stop bitching about me and making up stories about the past.

i had no idea one could decide wther his xenophobic statements were offensive or not! amazing! surely that must be how america needs to change... criminals should be there own judge and jury.

genius!

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[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 21:05:11 PDT 2003 by AaronUniversal]

cborg the attention should be paid to my intention not what you got offended by. Anyway i wouldnt expect a robot to understand LOL

You're only making things worse.

AnotherLover said it perfectly.

Aaron as ive told you yesterday ive advanced since then and i did ask you not to post here. I am considering calling this harrasment as you wont leave me alone. If you dont agree then be polite about it or dont post.

Why cant i have a valid discussion about Americans without them getting all defensive?
You were all laying into a German member of the org last week (i was appalled), saying the most outrageous things but they rationalised, took the crtiticism and wrote a decent defence. You should have all done the same instead of making out im bad.

Freaker said:

s'kinna hard to do that when the offending material overshadows the intention.

Come on guys, it wasnt that bad, i really didnt mean it like that. You always take the piss out of our teeth etc so why cant i criticise u?

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[This message was edited Tue Oct 21 21:05:28 PDT 2003 by AaronUniversal]

Freaker said:

I never took offense to what you said, because I could tell what you meant to say. However, I think it was the "tone" more than anything with which most people found offense. Others you directly attacked, and you have to admit that.

Freaker said:

it's like i told you yesterday: if you don't wish to be stung, don't go pokin at the wasps' nest. aaron has every right to post wherever he wishes to on the org, and since you mentioned him by name in your initial post it validates that even more.


easy: the way you present yourself within your posts raises some hackles around here at times.

Freaker said:

ha!

Freaker said:

for the gagillionth time... my screen name is NOT cyborgman misspelled. it is CBorgman, as in hello my name is Chris Borgman.

good god, i swear when i get to 10,000 i am changing my screen name

Handsclaps the relationship some of you have with Aaron is unhealthy and incestuous. Hes not as good as he makes out, its about time you respected me Hands ive told you enough times. Why is it always you who causes me hassle. Just because you are a mod does not enable you to be influenced by your likes and dislikes of members. If you saw Aarons offensive posts before he deleted them to cover the evidence then youd see he was hugely xenophobbic and nasty.