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I Thought This Up 20 Years ago...

Well, the part about a computer being able to 'read' the mind through electrical inpulses. big grin







Duke University Medical Center neurobiologist Miguel Nicolelis in November 2000 in Durham, N.C., with an owl monkey of the type used in his experiments in which monkeys learned to operate a robot arm, shown, using only their brain signals.

Monkeys’ brains move robotic arms

Research could help people with spinal cord injuries

By Rick Weiss
THE WASHINGTON POST



THE TECHNOLOGY could someday allow people with paralyzing spinal cord injuries to operate machines or tools with their thoughts as naturally as others today do with their hands. It might even allow some paralyzed people to move their own arms or legs again, by transmitting the brain’s directions not to a machine but directly to the muscles in those latent limbs.
The brain implants could also allow scientists or soldiers to control, hands-free, small robots that could perform tasks in inhospitable environments or in war zones.
In the new experiments, monkeys with wires running from their brains to a robotic arm were able to use their thoughts to make the arm perform tasks. But before long, the scientists said, they will upgrade the implants so the monkeys can transmit their mental commands to machines wirelessly.





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“It’s a major advance,” University of Washington neuroscientist Eberhard E. Fetz said of the monkey studies. “This bodes well for the success of brain-machine interfaces.”

SUBTLE ELECTRICAL SIGNALS
The experiments, led by Miguel A.L. Nicolelis of Duke University in Durham, N.C., and published today in the journal PLoS Biology, are the latest in a progression of increasingly science fiction-like studies in which animals — and in a few cases people — have learned to use the brain’s subtle electrical signals to operate simple devices.
Until now, those achievements have been limited to “virtual” actions, such as making a cursor move across a computer screen, or to small two-dimensional actions such as flipping a little lever that is wired to the brain.
The new work is the first in which any animal has learned to use its brain to move a robotic device in all directions in space and to perform a mixture of interrelated movements — such as reaching toward an object, grasping it and adjusting the grip strength depending on how heavy the object is.
“This is where you want to be,” said Karen A. Moxon, a professor of biomedical engineering at Drexel University in Philadelphia. “It’s one thing to be able to communicate with a video screen. But to move something in the physical world is a real technological feat. And Nicolelis has taken this work to a new level by quantifying the neuroscience behind it.”
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The device relies on tiny electrodes, each one resembling a wire thinner than a human hair. After removing patches of skull from two monkeys to expose the outer surface of their brains, Nicolelis and his colleagues stuck 96 of those tiny wires about a millimeter deep in one monkey’s brain and 320 of them in the other animal’s brain.
The surgeries were painstaking, taking about 10 hours, and ended with the pouring of a substance like dental cement over the area to substitute for the missing bits of skull.
The monkeys were unaffected by the surgery, Nicolelis said. But now they had tufts of wires protruding from their heads, which could be hooked up to other wires that ran through a computer and on to a large mechanical arm.
Then came the training, with the monkeys first learning to move the robot arm with a joystick. The arm was kept in a separate room — “If you put a 50-kilogram robot in front of them, they get very nervous,” Nicolelis said — but the monkeys could track their progress by watching a schematic representation of the arm and its motions on a video screen.

REWARDED WITH JUICE
The monkeys quickly learned how to use the joystick to make the arm reach and grasp for objects, and how to adjust their grip on the joystick to vary the robotic hand’s grip strength. They could see on the monitor when they missed their target or dropped it for having too light a grip, and they were rewarded with sips of juice when they performed their tasks successfully.
While the monkeys trained, a computer tracked the patterns of bioelectrical activity in the animals’ brains. The computer figured out that certain patterns amounted to a command to “reach.” Others, it became clear, meant “grasp.” Gradually, the computer learned to “read” the monkeys’ minds.
Then the researchers did something radical: They unplugged the joystick so the robotic arm’s movements depended completely on a monkey’s brain activity. In effect, the computer that had been studying the animal’s neural firing patterns was now serving as an interpreter, decoding the brain signals according to what it had learned from the joystick games and then sending the appropriate instructions to the mechanical arm.
At first, Nicolelis said, the monkey kept moving the joystick, not realizing that her own brain was now solely in charge of the arm’s movements. Then, he said, an amazing thing happened.
“We’re looking, and she stops moving her arm,” he said, “but the cursor keeps playing the game and the robot arm is moving around.”
The animal was controlling the robot with its thoughts.
“We couldn’t speak. It was dead silence,” Nicolelis said. “No one wanted to verbalize what was happening. And she continued to do that for almost an hour.”
At first, the animals’ performance declined compared to the sessions on the joystick. But after just a day or so, the control was so smooth it seemed the animals had accepted the mechanical arm as their own.
“It’s quite plausible that the perception is you’re extended into the robot arm, or the arm is an extension of you,” agreed the University of Washington’s Fetz, a pioneer in the field of brain-controlled devices.

MANY POSSIBILITIES
John P. Donoghue, a neuroscientist at Brown University developing a similar system, said paralyzed patients would be the first to benefit by gaining an ability to type and communicate on the Web, but the list of potential applications is endless, he said. The devices may even allow quadriplegics to move their own limbs again by sending signals from the brain to various muscles, leaping over the severed nerves that caused their paralysis.
“Once you have an output signal out of the brain that you can interpret, the possibilities of what you can do with those signals are immense,” said Donoghue, who recently co-founded a company, Cyberkinetics Inc. of Foxboro, Mass., to capitalize on the technology.
Both he and Nicolelis hope to get permission from the Food and Drug Administration to begin experiments in people next year. Nicolelis also is developing a system that would transmit signals from each of the hundreds of brain electrodes to a portable receiver, so his monkeys — or human subjects — could be free of external wires and move around while they turn their thoughts into mechanical actions.
“It’s like multiple cellular phone lines,” Nicolelis said. “As my mother said, ‘You can dial your brain now.’ ”
Significant challenges remain if the technology is to find widespread application in people. Although earlier experiments suggest the electrodes are safe and able to continue functioning for three years or more, longer-term safety studies are needed, and implants with far more electrodes may be required to accomplish anything more than the simplest tasks.
“For something basic like grasping a cup of coffee or brushing your teeth, apparently you could do almost all of this with this kind of prosthesis,” said Idan Segev, director of the center for neurocomputation at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. “If you were a pianist and had a spinal cord injury and you wanted to play Chopin again, then 500 neurons is not enough.”
Still, Segev expressed astonishment at how much the monkeys were able to do with signals from only a few hundred of the brain’s 100 billion or so nerve cells — evidence, he said, that “the brain uses a lot of backup and a lot of redundancy.”
That may explain one of the more interesting findings of the Duke experiments, he and others said: that neurons not usually involved in body movements, including those usually involved in sensory input rather than motor output, were easily recruited to help operate the robotic arm when electrodes were implanted there.
Asked if the monkeys seemed to mind the experiments, Nicolelis answered with an emphatic “No.”
“If anything, they’re enjoying themselves playing these games. It enriches their lives,” he said. “You don’t have to do anything to get these guys into their chair. They go right there. That’s play time.”

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Reply #1 posted 10/13/03 10:31am

Number23

Those poor fucking monkeys.
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Reply #2 posted 10/13/03 10:33am

Paisley

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek
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Reply #3 posted 10/13/03 10:33am

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Number23 said:

Those poor fucking monkeys.



Would you have volunteered???
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Reply #4 posted 10/13/03 10:34am

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Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol
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Reply #5 posted 10/13/03 10:35am

Paisley

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:
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Reply #6 posted 10/13/03 10:37am

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Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...
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Reply #7 posted 10/13/03 10:38am

Paisley

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...

Hey, I resent that, my hair is dark. nod
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Reply #8 posted 10/13/03 10:38am

Muse2NOPharaoh

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



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Reply #9 posted 10/13/03 10:41am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



whofarted



wave Hi Muuuse!!! batting eyes
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Reply #10 posted 10/13/03 10:44am

Muse2NOPharaoh

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



whofarted



wave Hi Muuuse!!! batting eyes



whofarted


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Reply #11 posted 10/13/03 10:45am

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Hold up before we get off topic let's discuss this monkey business seriously!!! Are these experiments wrong, right, what?
“A poor man waited a thousand years before the gate of paradise. And, while he snatched a little sleep, it opened and shut.”
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Reply #12 posted 10/13/03 10:46am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



whofarted



wave Hi Muuuse!!! batting eyes



whofarted


wink



Speakin of whofarted , WHERE'S MY FOOD???

I need a good cleansing lol
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Reply #13 posted 10/13/03 10:46am

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PERSIA said:

Hold up before we get off topic let's discuss this monkey business seriously!!! Are these experiments wrong, right, what?



whofarted Are you accusing me of getting off topic? Like a thread jacker or something! mad
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Reply #14 posted 10/13/03 10:48am

Muse2NOPharaoh

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



whofarted



wave Hi Muuuse!!! batting eyes



whofarted


wink



Speakin of whofarted , WHERE'S MY FOOD???

I need a good cleansing lol



I still have got it! woot! They ate it all! woot! No reports of maladies in the night so I think we have success!
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Reply #15 posted 10/13/03 10:50am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

00769BAD said:

Paisley said:

Do you really expect peeps to read all that? eek



Shit, I DID!!! lol

Yeah right! :LOL:



Whut a blonde...



whofarted



wave Hi Muuuse!!! batting eyes



whofarted


wink



Speakin of whofarted , WHERE'S MY FOOD???

I need a good cleansing lol



I still have got it! woot! They ate it all! woot! No reports of maladies in the night so I think we have success!



Guess I'll just have to go the exlax route lol
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Reply #16 posted 10/13/03 10:50am

Number23

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

Those poor fucking monkeys.



Would you have volunteered???


No, but my grandmother can't have long left in her so I'd put her forward. I benefit financially and humanity benefits medically. Everyone's a winner.
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Reply #17 posted 10/13/03 11:02am

Blackcat

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Guess I'll just have to go the exlax route lol


Somehow I always knew you was a BAD mother. lol
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Number23 said:

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

Those poor fucking monkeys.



Would you have volunteered???


No, but my grandmother can't have long left in her so I'd put her forward. I benefit financially and humanity benefits medically. Everyone's a winner.

FOCROFLMMFAO!!!
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Reply #19 posted 10/13/03 2:44pm

Number23

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

Those poor fucking monkeys.



Would you have volunteered???


No, but my grandmother can't have long left in her so I'd put her forward. I benefit financially and humanity benefits medically. Everyone's a winner.

FOCROFLMMFAO!!!



I don't understand, but it sounds like you're having a good time anyway. Glad to be of service.
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Number23 said:

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

00769BAD said:

Number23 said:

Those poor fucking monkeys.



Would you have volunteered???


No, but my grandmother can't have long left in her so I'd put her forward. I benefit financially and humanity benefits medically. Everyone's a winner.

FOCROFLMMFAO!!!



I don't understand, but it sounds like you're having a good time anyway. Glad to be of service.

FALLOUTCHAIRROLLONFLOORLAUGHINMYMUTHAFUCKINASSOFF!!!
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Reply #21 posted 10/13/03 3:46pm

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this breakthrough blew my mind. but, it was just a matter of time since they developed a way to turn human DNA into microcomputer chips last year. i know someone who's a quad - this could revolutionize his life... provided his insurance company is willing to pay the big $$$
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XxAxX said:

this breakthrough blew my mind. but, it was just a matter of time since they developed a way to turn human DNA into microcomputer chips last year. i know someone who's a quad - this could revolutionize his life... provided his insurance company is willing to pay the big $$$



Oh but it goes deeper than the health of people.
This will be a weapon in no time.
I figure the govmt. is lettin them come out and say whut they've done to take eyes off of whut they're (govmt) doing with it.
As far as microchips go, they're trying to develope molicule size machines, and they're gettin close to fruition.
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i know. we're in for some really interesting times coming up. i'm sure there are experiments that have made a lot happen we don't know about.

did you know the japanese have created tiny litle cameras they can glue to cockroaches in order to use the roaches as as spies?
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i know. we're in for some really interesting times coming up. i'm sure there are experiments that have made a lot happen we don't know about.

did you know the japanese have created tiny litle cameras they can glue to cockroaches in order to use the roaches as as spies?


I REST MY CASE!!! :all indignant and shit:
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i know! pretty soon the guvmint gonna be sprayin our houses for spies and shit
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i know! pretty soon the guvmint gonna be sprayin our houses for spies and shit

lol
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