I'm dieing here, anyone know when this opens in Australia?

bkw said:

October 10, 2004.

Supernova said:

How the F*** do you know that??

The soundtrack was like other Tarantino movies - awesome licensed songs (Isaac Hayes, Santa Esmeralda, uhhh Zamfir!) - but the "Original Music" for Kill Bill Part 1 is by The RZA!!

Bittersweettears said:

LOL, Yes, I want that Pussy Wagon!

:You're name's Buck and you like to fuck...right? You're name's Buck..."

so do they end up killing Bill? or is there even a "Bill" character to begin with...? haven't seen it, but plan to very soon.

AaronMaximus said:

There is no Bill, it's just reference to Billy Bob Thornton,
a kung fu master that was in the first Star Wars movie,
which was really the seventh installment, taken from the old Petticoat Junction tv series starring Lee Majors as
Yul Brenner back in the late 40's.

AaronMaximus said:

There is no Bill, it's just reference to Billy Bob Thornton,
a kung fu master that was in the first Star Wars movie,
which was really the seventh installment, taken from the old Petticoat Junction tv series starring Lee Majors as
Yul Brenner back in the late 40's.

jthad1129 said:

i see!

yeah, you don't see Bill in this one, but doyou think he still got paid? Carradine, I mean. Wonder what his salary was for only showing a hand and some voice overs?

jthad1129 said:

probably not much, since he's starved for the work

February 20th, 2004 volume 2 baby!!! :wOOt:

prrtybby said:

I cant wait..I found a new obsession. Effa Matrix

rdhull said:

i told you that MONTHS ago

2the9s said:

!!!

AaronUniversal said:

heh I know..I never said I loved Matrix though...everyone just thought I said that. Stil cant wait for the dvd Tues though

rdhull said:

Dont dis the Matrix rd! Not after all the crap we went through defending it!

I'm looking forward to the DVD too. It's out tommorrow.

bkw said:

Matrix Reloaded is indefensible

rdhull said:

Dont dis the Matrix rd! Not after all the crap we went through defending it!

Matrix Reloaded is indefensible

bkw said:

I know right...the movie was good..th e offense to it as a ruse to cover th e offense to me perosnally is what hapened in actuality ..so the movie still rocks dont get me wrong..and u bet those fools who dissed it are gonna be there opening weekend just like us lol

Imn dyin lol

I liked the original movie. I still do, even though I cannot bear to watch it again (a roommate of mine had it on DVD and watched it every day -- then it hit HBO, ad nauseum). I think they should have stopped at 1 movie.

It's not that I'm disappointed in the second one because it couldn't live up to the hype or the expectation set by the first one. It's because of the concepts involved. The whole thing is based on a freshman philosophy course (the dead giveaway is the causality vs. free will debate smack dab in the middle of Reloaded, if there were any doubts).

Why they should have stopped at the first one is that, while it's all pop-philosophy/psychology as the subtext, the first one put forward the notion, played on it, but you weren't given ALL that much of it, so that the flaws in the whole thing didn't jump out at you, when you actually went on to think about it.

I'm reminded of a thread on this forum about a month ago, where rdhull and I were debating Matrix Reloaded and X2 and which would be better. It led to a mini-debate about the themes of both movies. X-Men has always been my favorite comic book for this very reason: their concept has a point. It has a point that is derived from and can be applied to the real world. Persecution. Discrimination. Ignorance. Fear. Hatred. Society's outcasts who only want to be accepted and live as normal people, even though they're different. It's a simple concept really, one grounded in the real world, despite the extraneous context of superpowered mutants.

The Matrix, on the other hand, seems to me, like sci-fi derived from pop-philosophy derived from sci-fi based on freshman philosophy concepts. (Reminds me of Scientology, actually, but with a different subject matter). It's all rather incestuous and, while there is a kernal of validity and something of interest to find in the concepts, it's very simplistic to the point of going round in circles, based on premises one may or may not subscribe to in the real world. For all the talk that we're living in the Matrix, machines running our lives, "the system" telling us what to do, what to believe, and how to behave, it's only that... just talk. The kind of talk that people who want to think they're deep talk about, but really has no basis in reality in the context of a day-to-day life. It's the kind of thing communications/philosophy professors write about in their books that they can't sell because no one's really interested and they aren't all that relevant, so they make a class of 30 buy it and use it as a text book for the class they're teaching.

That's why they should have left it at 1 movie. The basic premise stands up if there isn't a great deal of attention paid to it. It's a great set-up for a cool sci-fi movie. Having a second and third movie about those concepts is too close an examination of what the movies are about, and that's where it falls down. On top of that, I could really give a rat's ass if Zion falls or not.

As for the movie itself, i found it to be fairly entertaining. The 3 major action set pieces were great. Great movie, so-so film. It could have been edited better. Even just 10 minutes from the total running time would have made for better pacing. About a minute cut from the major fx/action scenes (I found my mind wandering even during the chase scene). That whole Dance Party USA/no-chemistry sex scene needs to go altogether. And any point where Morpheus is speaking (ie, before the Soul Train bit, and toward the end when they're enacting their big plan) needs to be chopped. A lot.

My favorite scene was the bit with the many Agent Smiths, and the climax of that. Very cool. The other action scenes were cool too. Viewed on that level, it's entertaining. Below the surface, though, it's trying too hard to be deep in areas that are pretty shallow to begin with.