magnificentsynthesizer667 said:

Look at the things that are going on ..and some of the beastly characters torturing hindering others etc..I remember this one

rdhull said:

Yeah. Bosch reached deep for that one!

Lammastide said:

I know its "primary", but I was jus sayin'

Lammastide said:

THANKS!

You have some choice pics yourself!

This one looks pretty familar.

Thankyou everyone I love the diversity of taste.

Art is the selective re-creation of reality according to one's metaphysical value-judgments.

Does the artist focus on the wart on the chick's nose, or does the artist emphasize something
beautiful? Both types exist, but I prefer the latter.

teller said:

To many artists, the wart is something beautiful...

teller said:

I like that, Teller.

Byron said:

Hmmm...I suppose some do...though I would most of the wart-painters to be of the variety that
see Man as something ugly or flawed.

The key word in my definition is "selective." An artist includes what He thinks is important, and
disregards the non-essential. Is Man's achievement or greatness what he feels and wants to
portray? Does the wart serve that vision? Or is man a blight upon the earth, dirty and vile...does
the wart serve that vision? You can't always tell what an artist is thinking, but usually you can...

After enough exposure to Prince, for example, its clear that he values Man's ability to find the
ultimate Good. Very few "warts," if any, are highlighted in his work.

Lammastide said:

It belongs to Ayn Rand...she was quite the definer.

magnificentsynthesizer667 said:

I love those.

What is art? Are we art? Is art art?

pure art...



ehehehehe
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teller said:

Extremely interesting, and extremely insightful...(your insights go beyond the economical, I see..lol )...
I agree with all that you say there, and I, too, find myself drawn to those artists who make man's "flaws"
the subject of their expression (although I tend to do that moreso with music than with visual art...)...

I have found often, that many artists who tend to focus on the "flaws" in life in their work,
actually end up seeing such flaws as beautiful...you can tell by, for instance, how a singer writes lyrics
that deal with the "worst" in life's moments/experiences, yet write gorgeously beautiful music
and melodies to support those very lyrics...it's like they want to honor and respect the "ugliness" they're conveying.
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Natsume said:

Anything that is not done for survival reasons, is art...


(If you haven't read it yet, Nat, read "Understanding Comics"...brilliant book... )

Byron said:

I can see that...maybe really dark music is beautiful because both light and dark feelings
reflect that the person is a valuer--they respond deeply to their circumstances, even the bad
ones. There's also that edge of realism that comes from dark art, since darkness is part of life.

So few of us have achieved self-actualization and perfect happiness, though it is sometimes
experienced through joyful art--again Prince can be found removing all the negatives from his
work much of the time (which sometimes causes his art to seem plastic to some people, as if
such joy could never be real--but isn't that really just the listener's value-system responding?)

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Lammastide said:

This is gorgeous...

Tom said:

I LOVE IT!!! Thanx 4 the heads-up Tom.

rdhull said:

Love him!

I used to have this framed.



I think I gave it to Chico. Can't remember.

applekisses said:

Great film.

Byron said:

But shouldn't artists be recognized, paid well, and be able to make a living off of creating/doing what they love?

teller said:

I am hearing what you are saying sounding quite detached.

Isn't art the process of creation? No matter what it looks like, no matter what is selected, it is an outer manifestation of what is inside in some way.

minneapolisgenius said:

Of course...that doesn't negate, though, the definition of art being anything not done for survival purposes...
and actually, I mean that in the extreme literal sense..lol. I don't mean "survival" as in getting paid
so that you can pay rent...I mean "survival" as in "if I do not do this right this second, I'm dead".

Everything that does not fit into that latter catagory...is art. Painting, singing, drawing, sculpture,
writing, film making, photography, poetry, gardening, running, talking, listening, laughing, debating,
lovemaking...living...it's all art, truly.

Lammastide said:

I have a print of Caravaggio's John The Baptist--love Caravaggio!!!
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Byron said:

Byron, You're talking about creating for pleasure rather than survivial? I think that the two are linked in some way, could you elaborate? What does your definition of survival encompass?

Art Vandalay ;



He's an importer/exporter.

Lleena said:

Survival: eating apples because they're the only food around and if you don't, you'll starve to death...

Art: eating apples because you like their taste...

Survival: inhaling and exhaling because if you don't, you'll die...

Art: inhaling and exhaling deeply as part of a yoga exercise, because you want to achieve a healthier body and spirit...

Survival: holding your breath while underwater because if you don't, you'll drown...

Art: holding your breath underwater because you want to see how long you can before coming back up for air...

And so on and so forth...

Byron said:

Thanks!

I was thinking in terms of survival, as in some artists feel a compulsion to create which is as great as breathing for some. This is a form of survival and fulfillment of the soul. For instance, the urge for Prince to be creative is as natural to him as eating for us, for want of a better comparison. Not "physical" survival, but survival of the human spirit?